The most important thing people are over looking here is that the best post
workout product is BEER! And thank your creator that beer is void of those
pestky supliments.
Dave
From: Ron Castia <ro-@realbicycles.com>
Reply-To: ro-@realbicycles.com
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] post workout products
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:23:03 +0000
A couple of things that folks seem to be forgetting:
1. Does the study take endurance athletes into consideration?
Not likely, these studies are done on and intended for the average
person. Cyclist, even mediocre ones, would rate in the top 10 percentile
when it comes to fitness.
Endurance athletes such as cyclist will burn off far more vitamins and
minerals during training bouts than they can even ingest or obsorb, so
even the suggestion of "moderation is the key" does not apply. If a
cyclist who is staying fit year round only takes in the RDA of vitamins
and minerals, he/she is substantially defecient.
2. If you talk about supplements and health risks, you can't use the
example of banned substances or performance enhancing supplements in the
same context that you use vitamins and minerals. Performance enhancing
supplements are not essential to good health, vitamins and minerals are.
Ron
EMC/Team Real
J.Michael Manning wrote:
Well...here we go! First of all you miss my point. Moderation is the
key. Secondly, I should rephrase the statement I made regarding whether
you have heard of anyone dying of "any kind" of supplement overdose. It
seems apparent, to me at least, that you are using that key phrase to
support your argument. If anyone else would like to do the google search
you suggested, they will find the following: Ken Caminiti was an
admitted steroid user, Kory Stringer died from heat exhaustion and had
lost an enormous amount of weight in a short period of time (and was
still obese), and Steve Bechler was also overweight and out of shape
when he died of heat exhaustion while overdosing on ephedra. Tom Simpson
also died of heat exhaustion and the autopsy found both amphetamines and
methylamphetamine in his blood. Now, how does any of that compare to the
normal ingestion of food supplements? And I do exclude stimulants and
androgenic agents from that list of food supplements. Am I practicing
medicine? Not hardly. Just using my head, as I suggest you do.
J.Michael Manning
Performance Fitness Training wrote:
From: "J.Michael Manning"
Do you know of anyone who has ever died or even been hospitalized for
an
overdose of any kind of supplement?...The real culprit, particularly
in
heart related conditions, is poor dietary habits and lack of
meaningful
activity.
Wrong!?Ever heard of Ken Caminiti(MLB)??He's dead.? Kory
Stringer(NFL)?
He's Dead. Steve Bechler(MLB)??He's dead. Tom Gugliotta(NBA)? He
nearly
died. Oh, and?"Mr. Tom" Simpson did a little supplementing before he
collapsed and?died?in TdF.? Countless less noteable college and high
school athletes have died just in the past year?from ailments
attributed
to?unregulated nutritional supplements.? The truth is that
"nutritional
supplements" encompass ANYTHING that might be ingested in a form other
than that naturally occurring in food.?
?Do a google search on "athlete deaths, supplements" and you'll find a
number of articles on athletes from high school to NFL, MLB and Pro
Cycling who are engaging in "meaningful activity", that are dying from
kidney and heart failure at an alarming rate.?
If you don't know EXACTLY what's in the product you should skip it.?
(Old coaching adage "when in doubt, cut it out" works here)??
BH.
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