Road Rule Review - Peleton Passing Etiquette

cmur-@obra.org

2005-02-02



The break does not have to neutralized until caught by the Cat 2's.

Candi



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Great info regarding the passing rules. I had a quick follow up

question...



What if there is a small break away, with a gap between those riders and

their main field. Let's just say it's the Cat 3 race and there's some

superstar "Cat should-be-2's" in there. Now, meanwhile, the Cat 1-2

field catches up to the main Cat 3 field from behind. The 3's would be

neutralized until the 1-2 rider field passes by at least 300 meters.

Now, theoretically, the Cat 3 field can start racing again and bring up

their speed... but, what happens to the breakaway 3's up the road when

they are caught by the 1-2's? Do they have to slow down, virtually

losing their gap? Does the main 3 field get neutralized until the entire

1-2 field passes the entire cat 3 breakaway?



Also, anyone know if it's faster to use a wet lube or a dry lube while

in a break away? How about lighter or darker colored shoe covers? :)

Joking.



Just over-analyzing it.

Chris



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cdbr-@gmail.com

2005-02-02



Great info regarding the passing rules. I had a quick follow up

question...



What if there is a small break away, with a gap between those riders and

their main field. Let's just say it's the Cat 3 race and there's some

superstar "Cat should-be-2's" in there. Now, meanwhile, the Cat 1-2

field catches up to the main Cat 3 field from behind. The 3's would be

neutralized until the 1-2 rider field passes by at least 300 meters.

Now, theoretically, the Cat 3 field can start racing again and bring up

their speed... but, what happens to the breakaway 3's up the road when

they are caught by the 1-2's? Do they have to slow down, virtually

losing their gap? Does the main 3 field get neutralized until the entire

1-2 field passes the entire cat 3 breakaway?



Also, anyone know if it's faster to use a wet lube or a dry lube while

in a break away? How about lighter or darker colored shoe covers? :)

Joking.



Just over-analyzing it.

Chris



mike.m-@obra.org

2005-02-02



Earlier I wrote:

"Rider from separate fields are not allowed to ride together, which I am

surprised to find is not included in the current rules. I will propose we

add to the rules: "17.1.2 - General rules ...

- Riders that started in separate fields are not allowed to race together."



Turns out I was wrong. This item IS covered in the rules:

"13.2 - Misconduct may be punished at the discretion of the Chief Referee.

The forms of misconduct include, but are not limited to:...

- Taking pace from a vehicle or from a rider in a different race "





As for passing I will propose to add:



"17.1.3 Field passing - Should a field catch another field of racers that

started separately (except in a Handicap Race) the slower field will slow

and ride at a neutral speed as soon as practical after they are caught by

the faster field or its lead car to allow the faster field to pass. They

will then continue to ride at a neutral slowed pace until the faster field

is 300 meters ahead or until they are released by an official attending

their race. The field being passed will stay to the far right of the road

allowing room for the passing field unless instructed by an official

otherwise. Riders will not pass unless there is clear space to pass subject

to rule 17.1.2."



And:



"17.2 - CARAVANS ...

- Riders behind the last vehicle in the caravan shall ride as close as

practical to the right of the road to allow other riders and vehicles to

pass safely on the left.

- Riders approaching the back of the caravan will pass the caravan vehicles

on the right. The vehicles in the caravan should slow and move left to

facilitate the riders passing."



Mike Murray



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From: Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis) [mailto:jim.fi-@hp.com]

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 07:16 AM

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Road Rule Review - Peleton Passing Etiquette





Candi,



1.) I would like a quick review on how one field is supposed to pass

another. While working the Eugene Celebration a few years back out at the

Crow Valley area, one field caught another on the lap type course. Things

went smoothly, but I was in a support car, not racing. How should it work,

exactly?



2.) Also, how should the lead/follow/support car(s) be directed when a break

develops? If there is one lead car, one follow car and one support car,

where do they go when the break is only a few seconds out versus when the

break really opens up? How many in a break justify getting their own

support, or is this never the case?



3.) If a break develops and is able to bridge to another field, what is the

rule about riding in that other field? Can the "slower" break riders rest a

bit before heading up the road? Or do they need to pass decisively

communicating with the field being overtaken so they may allow the

overtaking riders to pass?



The only thing I found in the rules under section 17 was related to a lap

course, like a crit where the slower riders were not allowed to impede the

faster overtaking riders.



Thanks!



Jim



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mike.m-@obra.org

2005-02-02



1.) There are currently no OBRA rules about one field passing another. I

plan to propose one at the annual meeting but I have not yet worded it.

Clearly this is something that is needed. Of note; USCF this year adopted

rules basically saying that one field passing another is not allowed and

requiring the schedule of races to be modified to accommodate this.

Although passing fields is to be avoided it is not practical to prohibit it

entirely, especially not at some venues.   For example, it is a certainty

that there will be passing fields at PIR. The only way to eliminate them

would be to have fewer fields and much shorter races. Even at other venues

unexpected passes can happen despite the best planning.



The way it should go is that the slower field should slow as soon as they

are caught by the faster field or its lead car. They should then continue

at a neutral slowed pace until the faster field is a specific distance ahead

(300 meters? ... or one football field, to use the American system of

measure) or until they are released by an official vehicle attending their

race (lead or follow). In general the field being passed should stay to the

far right of the road allowing room for the passing field although at

specific venues, like PIR, there may be instructions otherwise, like to stay

to the outside of the course. Should the field being passed not be all

together the same protocol should apply to each separate group. Obviously

the separate groups will be hindered to a differing amount by the pass but

that is just bike racing, similar to the "temporary road closure" rule.

What should NOT happen is that the passed group continues to race and/or

starts racing again too early so that the fields leap frog each other and

there are more passes then needed. Especially on open roads, passes are

dangerous operations and should be avoided as much as possible. Obviously

passes never happen into oncoming traffic.

"17.1.2 - General rules

-Unless instructed by the Chief Referee, all riders must stay to the right

of the centerline, or another point on the road designated by the Chief

Referee.

-Riders must obey all traffic laws in force."



2.) The simplest answer is that the caravan vehicles should go where they

are directed by the Comm. 1 official. In general cars should not move up to

a break until it is at least one minute out. The support vehicle should be

able to complete a wheel change before the field catches the rider otherwise

they have no reason to be there. If there is only one support vehicle then

it should stay behind all the riders which are still in contention for

prizes, i.e. the break is not supported unless it contains all the

significant players.



3.) Rider from separate fields are not allowed to ride together, which I am

surprised to find is not included in the current rules. I will propose we

add to the rules:

"17.1.2 - General rules ...

- Riders that started in separate fields are not allowed to race together."



Passes of this sort should be done I the same way as outlined above.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis) [mailto:jim.fi-@hp.com]

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 07:16 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Road Rule Review - Peleton Passing Etiquette





Candi,



1.) I would like a quick review on how one field is supposed to pass

another. While working the Eugene Celebration a few years back out at the

Crow Valley area, one field caught another on the lap type course. Things

went smoothly, but I was in a support car, not racing. How should it work,

exactly?



2.) Also, how should the lead/follow/support car(s) be directed when a break

develops? If there is one lead car, one follow car and one support car,

where do they go when the break is only a few seconds out versus when the

break really opens up? How many in a break justify getting their own

support, or is this never the case?



3.) If a break develops and is able to bridge to another field, what is the

rule about riding in that other field? Can the "slower" break riders rest a

bit before heading up the road? Or do they need to pass decisively

communicating with the field being overtaken so they may allow the

overtaking riders to pass?



The only thing I found in the rules under section 17 was related to a lap

course, like a crit where the slower riders were not allowed to impede the

faster overtaking riders.



Thanks!



Jim



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Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)

2005-02-02



Candi,



1.) I would like a quick review on how one field is supposed to pass

another. While working the Eugene Celebration a few years back out at

the Crow Valley area, one field caught another on the lap type course.

Things went smoothly, but I was in a support car, not racing. How

should it work, exactly?



2.) Also, how should the lead/follow/support car(s) be directed when a

break develops? If there is one lead car, one follow car and one

support car, where do they go when the break is only a few seconds out

versus when the break really opens up? How many in a break justify

getting their own support, or is this never the case?



3.) If a break develops and is able to bridge to another field, what is

the rule about riding in that other field? Can the "slower" break

riders rest a bit before heading up the road? Or do they need to pass

decisively communicating with the field being overtaken so they may

allow the overtaking riders to pass?



The only thing I found in the rules under section 17 was related to a

lap course, like a crit where the slower riders were not allowed to

impede the faster overtaking riders.



Thanks!



Jim