Another agenda item for the OBRA meeting

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Re: [OBRA Chat] Another agenda item for the OBRA meetingHere's another idea. If we want to encourage more race volunteers from every club during the season, perhaps we could require each club to provide a minimum number of volunteers each year that would be documented on an OBRA form and submitted after each event. Clubs could then support each other and specific races rather than remaining insular. If a club provides the minimum number of volunteers that year, their team registration fee would remain at $35. If they didn't provide the required minimum, then perhaps they would pay the year's team fee at something like $105 to cover additional resources needed to martial a race. Just a thought. Any comments?



-- Darell



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A new way to look at it. I don't think every club would have to come up with a race. Simply ask one of are many good promoters that if they could attach there club name on to his/her a event. This would also help out with getting volunteers.

And like Mike said everyone needs a note before the year is out.



Glen   

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    but to force a club who has little resources and manpower to put on an event can take away from Oregon's "race development."





    On 2/9/05 11:14 AM, "Jerald Powell" <jpow-@spiritone.com> wrote:





      Doug... and all;



      This is an idea worth considering. The implications of our present laissez faire system for race/venue development are a great deal more complex than simply allowing the "market" to distribute races according to who gets off on throwing a party for us in their favorite venue... The advantages of the old system (many years ago every club was required to put on a race and to furnish officials as well) goes toward keeping our racing in our own hands instead of it becoming the province of a few "expert" promoters who soon limit the racing venues to the places they can easily and profitably promote races. Local clubs have often made up for "inexpert" promotion by recruiting their local communities into the event production... We used to have great one day weekend events in places like Roseburg, Bend, Klamath Falls, Sherwood, Ashland, Grants Pass, Salem, Beaverton... You get the idea. I'm not meaning to demean folks who put on great events now... Oregon is blessed with some really great event producers/promoters... but there does seem to be a waning of community participation... and perhaps a waning sense of ownership of these events within our own community.   



      I'm not sure if it's relevant... and I'm not sure that there's a causal connection... but our neighbor to the North used to have a great racing schedule with races every weekend in places like Bellingham, Tacoma, Port Angeles, Bellevue, "Tri-cities", Yakima, Carnation... and the local promoters have all but dried up and blown away. Almost all races in Washington are now put on by just a couple of promoters.



      Lastly, spreading out the race development and promotion in the clubs didn't just spread the responsibility for racing around... it spread race production knowledge and a sense of community throughout cycling in Oregon. That may have been the most important part of that old fashioned way we used to do things.



      So, there it is. I'm pretty sure that a limited number of "expert" promoters can do a more efficient and slicker job of providing us their races. What we lose in that efficiency is ownership of our sport. We also lose the sense of community involvement that makes bicycle racing a uniquely personal and civil sport.



      Jerry



      On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Doug Perrin wrote:





        Ladies and Gentlemen:

          

        I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well intentioned, however, this is not a good idea. The current system is working very well. Membership and participation are up. Have the intelligence to leave it alone. Race promotion should be left to clubs and/or individuals who choose to do so. Currently there is not a lack of these clubs/individuals. Forcing race promotion on clubs that lack the necessary experience and resources will result in poorly run, and likely dangerous events.   The "rules" should serve to assist and sustain successful bike clubs, not burden them with unwanted, unneeded regulations.

          

        Gotta go get a facial tattoo, so see you later,     

          

        doug perrin       

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        There is a proposal that all clubs be required to put on a race each calendar year.

        Candi









      Jerry Powell

      USAC Elite Coach

      1926 SW Madison Street

      Portland, OR 97205



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      503 222 7173

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here's another idea. If we want to encourage more

race volunteers from every club during the season, perhaps we could require each

club to provide a minimum number of volunteers each year that would be

documented on an OBRA form and submitted after each event. Clubs could then

support each other and specific races rather than remaining insular. If a club

provides the minimum number of volunteers that year, their team registration fee

would remain at $35. If they didn't provide the required minimum, then perhaps

they would pay the year's team fee at something like $105 to cover additional

resources needed to martial a race. Just a thought. Any comments?</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A new way to look at it. I don't think every club

would have to come up with a race. Simply ask one of are many good promoters

that if they could attach there club name on to his/her a event.

This would also help out with getting volunteers. </FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And like Mike said everyone needs a note before

the year is out.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Glen   </FONT></DIV>

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    <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">but to

    force a club who has little resources and manpower to put on an event can

    take away from Oregon?s ?race development.?<BR><BR><BR>On 2/9/05 11:14 AM,

    "Jerald Powell" <<A

    href="mailto:jpow-@spiritone.com">jpow-@spiritone.com</A>>

    wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>

    <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Doug... and

      all; <BR><BR>This </SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT

      color=#090909><FONT

      face="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"><I>is</I></FONT></FONT><FONT

      face=Eurostile> an idea worth considering.  The implications of our

      present laissez faire system for race/venue development are a great deal

      more complex than simply allowing the "market" to distribute races

      according to who gets off on throwing a party for us in their favorite

      venue...  The advantages of the old system (many years ago every club

      was required to put on a race and to furnish officials as well)  goes

      toward keeping our racing in our own hands instead of it becoming the

      province of a few "expert" promoters who soon limit the racing venues to

      the places they can easily and profitably promote races.  Local clubs

      have often made up for "inexpert" promotion by recruiting their local

      communities into the event production... We used to have great one day

      weekend events in places like Roseburg, Bend, Klamath Falls, Sherwood,

      Ashland, Grants Pass, Salem, Beaverton...  You get the idea.

       I'm not meaning to demean folks who put on great events now...

      Oregon is blessed with some really great event producers/promoters... but

      there does seem to be a waning of community participation... and perhaps a

      waning sense of ownership of these events within our own community.

        <BR><BR>I'm not sure if it's relevant... and I'm not sure that

      there's a causal connection... but our neighbor to the North used to have

      a great racing schedule with races every weekend in places like

      Bellingham, Tacoma, Port Angeles, Bellevue, "Tri-cities", Yakima,

      Carnation... and the local promoters have all but dried up and blown away.

       Almost all races in Washington are now put on by just a couple of

      promoters. <BR><BR>Lastly, spreading out the race development and

      promotion in the clubs didn't just spread the responsibility for racing

      around... it spread race production knowledge and a sense of community

      throughout cycling in Oregon.  That may have been the most important

      part of that old fashioned way we used to do things. <BR><BR>So, there it

      is.  I'm pretty sure that a limited number of "expert" promoters can

      do a more efficient and slicker job of providing us their races.

       What we lose in that efficiency is ownership of our sport. We also

      lose the sense of community involvement that makes bicycle racing a

      uniquely personal and civil sport. <BR><BR>Jerry <BR><BR>On Feb 8, 2005,

      at 8:24 PM, Doug Perrin wrote: <BR><BR></FONT></SPAN>

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        style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Ladies and Gentlemen:</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT

        face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"> <BR> 

        <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN

        style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well

        intentioned, however, this is not a good idea.  The current

        system is working very well.  Membership and

        participation are up.  Have the intelligence to leave it

        alone.  Race promotion should be left to clubs and/or

        individuals who choose to do so.  Currently there is not a

        lack of these clubs/individuals.  Forcing race promotion on

        clubs that lack the necessary experience and

        resources will result in poorly run, and likely

        dangerous events.   The "rules" should serve to

        assist and sustain successful bike clubs, not burden them with

        unwanted, unneeded regulations.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT

        face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"> <BR> 

        <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN

        style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Gotta go get a facial tattoo, so see you

        later,    </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT

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        <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN

        style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">doug

        perrin      </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT

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        size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">There is a

        proposal that all clubs be required to put on a race each calendar

        year.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Eurostile><SPAN

        style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT

        face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Candi</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT

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      <BR>503 799 7823 <BR><BR>jpow-@spiritone.com</FONT><FONT face=Eurostile>

      <BR><BR></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial">Jerald M Powell,

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Re: [OBRA Chat] Another agenda item for the OBRA meetingA new way to look at it. I don't think every club would have to come up with a race. Simply ask one of are many good promoters that if they could attach there club name on to his/her a event. This would also help out with getting volunteers.

And like Mike said everyone needs a note before the year is out.



Glen   

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but to force a club who has little resources and manpower to put on an event can take away from Oregon's "race development."





On 2/9/05 11:14 AM, "Jerald Powell" <jpow-@spiritone.com> wrote:





    Doug... and all;



    This is an idea worth considering. The implications of our present laissez faire system for race/venue development are a great deal more complex than simply allowing the "market" to distribute races according to who gets off on throwing a party for us in their favorite venue... The advantages of the old system (many years ago every club was required to put on a race and to furnish officials as well) goes toward keeping our racing in our own hands instead of it becoming the province of a few "expert" promoters who soon limit the racing venues to the places they can easily and profitably promote races. Local clubs have often made up for "inexpert" promotion by recruiting their local communities into the event production... We used to have great one day weekend events in places like Roseburg, Bend, Klamath Falls, Sherwood, Ashland, Grants Pass, Salem, Beaverton... You get the idea. I'm not meaning to demean folks who put on great events now... Oregon is blessed with some really great event producers/promoters... but there does seem to be a waning of community participation... and perhaps a waning sense of ownership of these events within our own community.   



    I'm not sure if it's relevant... and I'm not sure that there's a causal connection... but our neighbor to the North used to have a great racing schedule with races every weekend in places like Bellingham, Tacoma, Port Angeles, Bellevue, "Tri-cities", Yakima, Carnation... and the local promoters have all but dried up and blown away. Almost all races in Washington are now put on by just a couple of promoters.



    Lastly, spreading out the race development and promotion in the clubs didn't just spread the responsibility for racing around... it spread race production knowledge and a sense of community throughout cycling in Oregon. That may have been the most important part of that old fashioned way we used to do things.



    So, there it is. I'm pretty sure that a limited number of "expert" promoters can do a more efficient and slicker job of providing us their races. What we lose in that efficiency is ownership of our sport. We also lose the sense of community involvement that makes bicycle racing a uniquely personal and civil sport.



    Jerry



    On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Doug Perrin wrote:





      Ladies and Gentlemen:

        

      I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well intentioned, however, this is not a good idea. The current system is working very well. Membership and participation are up. Have the intelligence to leave it alone. Race promotion should be left to clubs and/or individuals who choose to do so. Currently there is not a lack of these clubs/individuals. Forcing race promotion on clubs that lack the necessary experience and resources will result in poorly run, and likely dangerous events.   The "rules" should serve to assist and sustain successful bike clubs, not burden them with unwanted, unneeded regulations.

        

      Gotta go get a facial tattoo, so see you later,     

        

      doug perrin       

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      There is a proposal that all clubs be required to put on a race each calendar year.

      Candi









    Jerry Powell

    USAC Elite Coach

    1926 SW Madison Street

    Portland, OR 97205



    503 222 7173

    503 799 7823



    jpow-@spiritone.com



    Jerald M Powell, AICP

    Community Planning

    1926 SW Madison Street

    Portland, OR 97205



    503 222 7173

    503 799 7823



    jpow-@spiritone.com









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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A new way to look at it. I don't think every club

would have to come up with a race. Simply ask one of are many good promoters

that if they could attach there club name on to his/her a event. This

would also help out with getting volunteers. </FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And like Mike said everyone needs a note before the

year is out.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">but to force

a club who has little resources and manpower to put on an event can take away

from Oregon?s ?race development.?<BR><BR><BR>On 2/9/05 11:14 AM, "Jerald

Powell" <<A

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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Doug... and

    all; <BR><BR>This </SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT

    color=#090909><FONT

    face="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"><I>is</I></FONT></FONT><FONT

    face=Eurostile> an idea worth considering.  The implications of our

    present laissez faire system for race/venue development are a great deal

    more complex than simply allowing the "market" to distribute races according

    to who gets off on throwing a party for us in their favorite venue...

     The advantages of the old system (many years ago every club was

    required to put on a race and to furnish officials as well)  goes

    toward keeping our racing in our own hands instead of it becoming the

    province of a few "expert" promoters who soon limit the racing venues to the

    places they can easily and profitably promote races.  Local clubs have

    often made up for "inexpert" promotion by recruiting their local communities

    into the event production... We used to have great one day weekend events in

    places like Roseburg, Bend, Klamath Falls, Sherwood, Ashland, Grants Pass,

    Salem, Beaverton...  You get the idea.  I'm not meaning to demean

    folks who put on great events now... Oregon is blessed with some really

    great event producers/promoters... but there does seem to be a waning of

    community participation... and perhaps a waning sense of ownership of these

    events within our own community.   <BR><BR>I'm not sure if it's

    relevant... and I'm not sure that there's a causal connection... but our

    neighbor to the North used to have a great racing schedule with races every

    weekend in places like Bellingham, Tacoma, Port Angeles, Bellevue,

    "Tri-cities", Yakima, Carnation... and the local promoters have all but

    dried up and blown away.  Almost all races in Washington are now put on

    by just a couple of promoters. <BR><BR>Lastly, spreading out the race

    development and promotion in the clubs didn't just spread the responsibility

    for racing around... it spread race production knowledge and a sense of

    community throughout cycling in Oregon.  That may have been the most

    important part of that old fashioned way we used to do things. <BR><BR>So,

    there it is.  I'm pretty sure that a limited number of "expert"

    promoters can do a more efficient and slicker job of providing us their

    races.  What we lose in that efficiency is ownership of our sport. We

    also lose the sense of community involvement that makes bicycle racing a

    uniquely personal and civil sport. <BR><BR>Jerry <BR><BR>On Feb 8, 2005, at

    8:24 PM, Doug Perrin wrote: <BR><BR></FONT></SPAN>

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      style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Ladies and Gentlemen:</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT

      face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"> <BR> 

      <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN

      style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well

      intentioned, however, this is not a good idea.  The current

      system is working very well.  Membership and participation

      are up.  Have the intelligence to leave it alone. 

      Race promotion should be left to clubs and/or individuals who choose

      to do so.  Currently there is not a lack of these

      clubs/individuals.  Forcing race promotion on clubs that

      lack the necessary experience and resources will

      result in poorly run, and likely

      dangerous events.   The "rules" should serve to assist

      and sustain successful bike clubs, not burden them with unwanted,

      unneeded regulations.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Eurostile><SPAN

      style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"> <BR>  <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT

      face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Gotta go get a facial

      tattoo, so see you

      later,    </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT

      face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"> <BR> 

      <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN

      style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">doug

      perrin      </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT

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      size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">There is a proposal

      that all clubs be required to put on a race each calendar

      year.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Eurostile><SPAN

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    <BR></I>1926 SW Madison Street <BR>Portland, OR 97205 <BR><BR>503 222 7173

    <BR>503 799 7823 <BR><BR>jpow-@spiritone.com</FONT><FONT face=Eurostile>

    <BR><BR></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial">Jerald M Powell, AICP

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but to force a club who has little resources and manpower to put on an event

can take away from Oregon?s ?race development.?





On 2/9/05 11:14 AM, "Jerald Powell" <jpow-@spiritone.com> wrote:



 Doug... and all;



This is an idea worth considering. The implications of our present laissez

faire system for race/venue development are a great deal more complex than

simply allowing the "market" to distribute races according to who gets off on

throwing a party for us in their favorite venue... The advantages of the old

system (many years ago every club was required to put on a race and to furnish

officials as well) goes toward keeping our racing in our own hands instead of

it becoming the province of a few "expert" promoters who soon limit the racing

venues to the places they can easily and profitably promote races. Local

clubs have often made up for "inexpert" promotion by recruiting their local

communities into the event production... We used to have great one day weekend

events in places like Roseburg, Bend, Klamath Falls, Sherwood, Ashland, Grants

Pass, Salem, Beaverton... You get the idea. I'm not meaning to demean folks

who put on great events now... Oregon is blessed with some really great event

producers/promoters... but there does seem to be a waning of community

participation... and perhaps a waning sense of ownership of these events

within our own community.



I'm not sure if it's relevant... and I'm not sure that there's a causal

connection... but our neighbor to the North used to have a great racing

schedule with races every weekend in places like Bellingham, Tacoma, Port

Angeles, Bellevue, "Tri-cities", Yakima, Carnation... and the local promoters

have all but dried up and blown away. Almost all races in Washington are now

put on by just a couple of promoters.



Lastly, spreading out the race development and promotion in the clubs didn't

just spread the responsibility for racing around... it spread race production

knowledge and a sense of community throughout cycling in Oregon. That may

have been the most important part of that old fashioned way we used to do

things.



So, there it is. I'm pretty sure that a limited number of "expert" promoters

can do a more efficient and slicker job of providing us their races. What we

lose in that efficiency is ownership of our sport. We also lose the sense of

community involvement that makes bicycle racing a uniquely personal and civil

sport.



Jerry



On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Doug Perrin wrote:



 Ladies and Gentlemen:

?

I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well intentioned, however, this is

not a good idea.? The current system?is working?very well.? Membership and

participation are up.? Have the?intelligence to?leave it alone.? Race

promotion should be left to clubs and/or individuals?who choose to do so.?

Currently there is not a lack of these clubs/individuals.??Forcing race

promotion on clubs?that lack?the?necessary?experience?and resources?will

result in?poorly run, and?likely dangerous?events.???The "rules" should serve

to assist and sustain successful bike clubs,?not burden them with unwanted,

unneeded?regulations.

?

Gotta go get?a facial tattoo, so see you later,????

?

doug perrin??????

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There is a proposal that all clubs be required to put on a race each calendar

year.

Candi







Jerry Powell

USAC Elite Coach

1926 SW Madison Street

Portland, OR 97205



503 222 7173

503 799 7823



jpow-@spiritone.com



Jerald M Powell, AICP

Community Planning

1926 SW Madison Street

Portland, OR 97205



503 222 7173

503 799 7823



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<FONT FACE="Eurostile"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>but to force a club who has little resources and manpower to put on an event can take away from Oregon’s “race development.”<BR>

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On 2/9/05 11:14 AM, "Jerald Powell" <jpow-@spiritone.com> wrote:<BR>

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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Eurostile"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>Doug... and all; <BR>

<BR>

This </SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'><FONT COLOR="#090909"><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"><I>is</I></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Eurostile"> an idea worth considering.  The implications of our present laissez faire system for race/venue development are a great deal more complex than simply allowing the "market" to distribute races according to who gets off on throwing a party for us in their favorite venue...  The advantages of the old system (many years ago every club was required to put on a race and to furnish officials as well)  goes toward keeping our racing in our own hands instead of it becoming the province of a few "expert" promoters who soon limit the racing venues to the places they can easily and profitably promote races.  Local clubs have often made up for "inexpert" promotion by recruiting their local communities into the event production... We used to have great one day weekend events in places like Roseburg, Bend, Klamath Falls, Sherwood, Ashland, Grants Pass, Salem, Beaverton...  You get the idea.  I'm not meaning to demean folks who put on great events now... Oregon is blessed with some really great event producers/promoters... but there does seem to be a waning of community participation... and perhaps a waning sense of ownership of these events within our own community.   <BR>

<BR>

I'm not sure if it's relevant... and I'm not sure that there's a causal connection... but our neighbor to the North used to have a great racing schedule with races every weekend in places like Bellingham, Tacoma, Port Angeles, Bellevue, "Tri-cities", Yakima, Carnation... and the local promoters have all but dried up and blown away.  Almost all races in Washington are now put on by just a couple of promoters. <BR>

<BR>

Lastly, spreading out the race development and promotion in the clubs didn't just spread the responsibility for racing around... it spread race production knowledge and a sense of community throughout cycling in Oregon.  That may have been the most important part of that old fashioned way we used to do things. <BR>

<BR>

So, there it is.  I'm pretty sure that a limited number of "expert" promoters can do a more efficient and slicker job of providing us their races.  What we lose in that efficiency is ownership of our sport. We also lose the sense of community involvement that makes bicycle racing a uniquely personal and civil sport. <BR>

<BR>

Jerry <BR>

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On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Doug Perrin wrote: <BR>

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</FONT></SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'>Ladies and Gentlemen:</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Eurostile"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'> <BR>

? <BR>

</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'>I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well intentioned, however, this is not a good idea.? The current system?is working?very well.? Membership and participation are up.? Have the?intelligence to?leave it alone.? Race promotion should be left to clubs and/or individuals?who choose to do so.? Currently there is not a lack of these clubs/individuals.??Forcing race promotion on clubs?that lack?the?necessary?experience?and resources?will result in?poorly run, and?likely dangerous?events.???The "rules" should serve to assist and sustain successful bike clubs,?not burden them with unwanted, unneeded?regulations.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Eurostile"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'> <BR>

? <BR>

</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'>Gotta go get?a facial tattoo, so see you later,????</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Eurostile"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'> <BR>

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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'>doug perrin??????</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Eurostile"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'> <BR>

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</FONT></SPAN><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'>There is a proposal that all clubs be required to put on a race each calendar year.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Eurostile"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'> <BR>

</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'>Candi</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'> <BR>

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503 799 7823 <BR>

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Randy Dreiling

2005-02-10



What happens if Club A is hosting a race because they

have to and then all of the sudden there is in

fighting and part of Club A breaks away and forms Club

B and the people that were in charge of Club A's event

are now part of the split and belong to Club

B....these things happen.



I agree...why are we going down this road....we have a

huge amount of events as it is.



If a club wants to host an event they will...chances

are the reason they are not hosting races is well

because they have no desire not to.



Take Care

Randy





--- Kirk Willett <ktwa-@bendcable.com> wrote:



 Hi fellow racers,



Regarding the club event obligation proposal, I do

not think it is

desirable. Having observed the evolution of events

in the NW and around

the country for a while, administrative obligation

has little or nothing

to do with the success, longevity, or proliferation

of quality events.

Money, motivation, time requirements, and

promotional success dominate.



Administrative obligation for clubs to promote

events will likely only

lead to an increase in a few, small scale, meet the

mandate type of

races which have value, but are not all that

significant in the general

racing-health picture, and may involve less

promotional motivation than

is desirable. Additionally, it is possible that

this obligation could

reduce the number of OBRA clubs (or limit potential

growth) in the event

that clubs do not have the time, money, or

people-power beyond the

maintenance of their club?s basic activities to

incorporate quality

promotion.



If the intent of the proposal is to break up or

prevent monopoly on

event promotion, other avenues should be pursued if

this is indeed a

problem. Motivated clubs and individuals will

succeed in promoting

events within their communities irrespective of

mandate as long as

calendar consultation, promotional guidelines, and

experienced insight

is utilized.



Gees! Look at the calendar we have! Things are

good! We are spoiled

to live in OBRA land. Wow! Racing starts back up

next week!



Best of luck, Kirk Willett



PS. Damian sounds right on about the complaining

and the way to go

about constructive input. Perspective is healthy.



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Hi fellow racers,



Regarding the club event obligation proposal, I do not think it is

desirable. Having observed the evolution of events in the NW and around

the country for a while, administrative obligation has little or nothing

to do with the success, longevity, or proliferation of quality events.

Money, motivation, time requirements, and promotional success dominate.



Administrative obligation for clubs to promote events will likely only

lead to an increase in a few, small scale, meet the mandate type of

races which have value, but are not all that significant in the general

racing-health picture, and may involve less promotional motivation than

is desirable. Additionally, it is possible that this obligation could

reduce the number of OBRA clubs (or limit potential growth) in the event

that clubs do not have the time, money, or people-power beyond the

maintenance of their club?s basic activities to incorporate quality

promotion.



If the intent of the proposal is to break up or prevent monopoly on

event promotion, other avenues should be pursued if this is indeed a

problem. Motivated clubs and individuals will succeed in promoting

events within their communities irrespective of mandate as long as

calendar consultation, promotional guidelines, and experienced insight

is utilized.



Gees! Look at the calendar we have! Things are good! We are spoiled

to live in OBRA land. Wow! Racing starts back up next week!



Best of luck, Kirk Willett



PS. Damian sounds right on about the complaining and the way to go

about constructive input. Perspective is healthy.



David Hart

2005-02-09



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MessageI agree that the OBRA calendar is booked, maybe overbooked but I won't complain. I love the racing!



And as a promoter and organizer I would suggest the the Championship courses like the TT,TTT, hillclimb, and road race but handed to a different team every year. Then clubs could benefit from it. Is this a bad idea? Only certain promoters 'own' a race, right?



Maybe I am missing something. Kindly fill me in if I am.





David Hart

North River Racing

Vancouver, Washington

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Oh boy hear I go offering my opinion. I would have to agree with Doug (on the race issue not the face tattoo). The current race calendar is absolutely jammed pack. I think we are all pretty spoiled when it comes to racing in Oregon. I am all for anyone wanting to put an event on if it is there choice but forcing or mandating clubs do it I think is unecessary at this point. My two cents worth anyways.



Chad

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    Ladies and Gentlemen:



    I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well intentioned, however, this is not a good idea. The current system is working very well. Membership and participation are up. Have the intelligence to leave it alone. Race promotion should be left to clubs and/or individuals who choose to do so. Currently there is not a lack of these clubs/individuals. Forcing race promotion on clubs that lack the necessary experience and resources will result in poorly run, and likely dangerous events.   The "rules" should serve to assist and sustain successful bike clubs, not burden them with unwanted, unneeded regulations.



    Gotta go get a facial tattoo, so see you later,    



    doug perrin      

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      There is a proposal that all clubs be required to put on a race each calendar year.

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<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>David Hart <BR>North River Racing <BR>Vancouver, Washington</DIV>

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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:mh-@gorge.net

href="mailto:mh-@gorge.net">Mt. Hood Cycling Classic</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:pg-@bendnet.com

href="mailto:pg-@bendnet.com">pg-@bendnet.com</A> ; <A

title=mailto:ob-@topica.com href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A>

</DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:03

PM</DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat] Another agenda

item for the OBRA meeting</DIV>

<DIV><BR></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh boy hear I go offering my opinion.  I

would have to agree with Doug (on the race issue not the face tattoo). 

The current race calendar is absolutely jammed pack.  I think we are all

pretty spoiled when it comes to racing in Oregon.  I am all for anyone

wanting to put an event on if it is there choice but forcing or mandating

clubs do it I think is unecessary at this point.  My two cents worth

anyways.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Chad</FONT></DIV>

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    <DIV

    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>

    <A title=mailto:pg-@bendnet.com href="mailto:pg-@bendnet.com">Doug

    Perrin</A> </DIV>

    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:cmur-@obra.org

    href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org">cmur-@obra.org</A> ; <A

    title=mailto:ob-@topica.com

    href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A> </DIV>

    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:24

    PM</DIV>

    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat] Another agenda

    item for the OBRA meeting</DIV>

    <DIV><BR></DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ladies and Gentlemen:</FONT></DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well

    intentioned, however, this is not a good idea.  The current

    system is working very well.  Membership and participation

    are up.  Have the intelligence to leave it alone.  Race

    promotion should be left to clubs and/or individuals who choose to do

    so.  Currently there is not a lack of these

    clubs/individuals.  Forcing race promotion on clubs that

    lack the necessary experience and resources will

    result in poorly run, and likely

    dangerous events.   The "rules" should serve to assist

    and sustain successful bike clubs, not burden them with unwanted,

    unneeded regulations.</FONT></DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gotta go get a facial tattoo, so see you

    later,    </FONT></DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>doug

    perrin      </FONT></DIV>

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      <A title=mailto:cmur-@obra.org

      href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org">cmur-@obra.org</A> </DIV>

      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:ob-@topica.com

      href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A> </DIV>

      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:48

      PM</DIV>

      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] Another agenda

      item for the OBRA meeting</DIV>

      <DIV><BR></DIV>

      <DIV><SPAN class=594114823-08022005><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is a

      proposal that all clubs be required to put on a race each calendar

      year.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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2005-02-09



GREAT POINT! Cheryl

--- "Cheryl J. Willson" <cjwil-@mindspring.com>

wrote:



 I'd rather see effort go towards making sure people

volunteer efforts

to existing races. Doesn't seem like we have a huge

surplus of

officials and people in line waiting to corner

marshall. Besides, who's

going to enforce it and how?



Anyway, I guess if any of us really cares about this

- we will be sure

to attend the annual meeting and make sure our

team's opinion is

represented.





Begin forwarded message:



 From: Jerald Powell <jpow-@spiritone.com>

Date: February 9, 2005 11:14:21 AM PST

To: pg-@bendnet.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com, cmur-@obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Another agenda item for

the OBRA meeting

 Reply-To: jpow-@spiritone.com



Doug... and all;



This is an idea worth considering. The

implications of our present

 laissez faire system for race/venue development

are a great deal more

 complex than simply allowing the "market" to

distribute races

 according to who gets off on throwing a party for

us in their favorite

 venue... The advantages of the old system (many

years ago every club

 was required to put on a race and to furnish

officials as well) goes

 toward keeping our racing in our own hands instead

of it becoming the

 province of a few "expert" promoters who soon

limit the racing venues

 to the places they can easily and profitably

promote races. Local

 clubs have often made up for "inexpert" promotion

by recruiting their

 local communities into the event production... We

used to have great

 one day weekend events in places like Roseburg,

Bend, Klamath Falls,

 Sherwood, Ashland, Grants Pass, Salem,

Beaverton... You get the idea.

 I'm not meaning to demean folks who put on great

events now... Oregon

 is blessed with some really great event

producers/promoters... but

 there does seem to be a waning of community

participation... and

 perhaps a waning sense of ownership of these

events within our own

 community.



I'm not sure if it's relevant... and I'm not sure

that there's a

 causal connection... but our neighbor to the North

used to have a

 great racing schedule with races every weekend in

places like

 Bellingham, Tacoma, Port Angeles, Bellevue,

"Tri-cities", Yakima,

 Carnation... and the local promoters have all but

dried up and blown

 away. Almost all races in Washington are now put

on by just a couple

 of promoters.



Lastly, spreading out the race development and

promotion in the clubs

 didn't just spread the responsibility for racing

around... it spread

 race production knowledge and a sense of community

throughout cycling

 in Oregon. That may have been the most important

part of that old

 fashioned way we used to do things.



So, there it is. I'm pretty sure that a limited

number of "expert"

 promoters can do a more efficient and slicker job

of providing us

 their races. What we lose in that efficiency is

ownership of our

 sport. We also lose the sense of community

involvement that makes

 bicycle racing a uniquely personal and civil

sport.

 

Jerry



On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Doug Perrin wrote:



 Ladies and Gentlemen:

?

I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well

intentioned, however,

  this is not a good idea.? The current system?is

working?very well.?

  Membership and participation are up.? Have

the?intelligence to?leave

  it alone.? Race promotion should be left to clubs

and/or

  individuals?who choose to do so.? Currently there

is not a lack of

  these clubs/individuals.??Forcing race promotion

on clubs?that

  lack?the?necessary?experience?and resources?will

result in?poorly

  run, and?likely dangerous?events.???The "rules"

should serve to

  assist and sustain successful bike clubs,?not

burden them with

  unwanted, unneeded?regulations.

?

Gotta go get?a facial tattoo, so see you

later,????

  ?

doug perrin??????

----- Original Message -----

From: cmur-@obra.org

To: ob-@topica.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:48 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Another agenda item for the

OBRA meeting

  

There is a proposal that all clubs be required to

put on a race each

  calendar year.

Candi







Jerry Powell

USAC Elite Coach

1926 SW Madison Street

Portland, OR 97205



503 222 7173

503 799 7823



jpow-@spiritone.com



Jerald M Powell, AICP

Community Planning

1926 SW Madison Street

Portland, OR 97205



503 222 7173

503 799 7823



jpow-@spiritone.com



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I'd rather see effort go towards making sure people volunteer efforts

to existing races. Doesn't seem like we have a huge surplus of

officials and people in line waiting to corner marshall. Besides, who's

going to enforce it and how?



Anyway, I guess if any of us really cares about this - we will be sure

to attend the annual meeting and make sure our team's opinion is

represented.





Begin forwarded message:



 From: Jerald Powell <jpow-@spiritone.com>

Date: February 9, 2005 11:14:21 AM PST

To: pg-@bendnet.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com, cmur-@obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Another agenda item for the OBRA meeting

Reply-To: jpow-@spiritone.com



Doug... and all;



This is an idea worth considering. The implications of our present

laissez faire system for race/venue development are a great deal more

complex than simply allowing the "market" to distribute races

according to who gets off on throwing a party for us in their favorite

venue... The advantages of the old system (many years ago every club

was required to put on a race and to furnish officials as well) goes

toward keeping our racing in our own hands instead of it becoming the

province of a few "expert" promoters who soon limit the racing venues

to the places they can easily and profitably promote races. Local

clubs have often made up for "inexpert" promotion by recruiting their

local communities into the event production... We used to have great

one day weekend events in places like Roseburg, Bend, Klamath Falls,

Sherwood, Ashland, Grants Pass, Salem, Beaverton... You get the idea.

I'm not meaning to demean folks who put on great events now... Oregon

is blessed with some really great event producers/promoters... but

there does seem to be a waning of community participation... and

perhaps a waning sense of ownership of these events within our own

community.



I'm not sure if it's relevant... and I'm not sure that there's a

causal connection... but our neighbor to the North used to have a

great racing schedule with races every weekend in places like

Bellingham, Tacoma, Port Angeles, Bellevue, "Tri-cities", Yakima,

Carnation... and the local promoters have all but dried up and blown

away. Almost all races in Washington are now put on by just a couple

of promoters.



Lastly, spreading out the race development and promotion in the clubs

didn't just spread the responsibility for racing around... it spread

race production knowledge and a sense of community throughout cycling

in Oregon. That may have been the most important part of that old

fashioned way we used to do things.



So, there it is. I'm pretty sure that a limited number of "expert"

promoters can do a more efficient and slicker job of providing us

their races. What we lose in that efficiency is ownership of our

sport. We also lose the sense of community involvement that makes

bicycle racing a uniquely personal and civil sport.



Jerry



On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Doug Perrin wrote:



 Ladies and Gentlemen:

?

I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well intentioned, however,

this is not a good idea.? The current system?is working?very well.?

Membership and participation are up.? Have the?intelligence to?leave

it alone.? Race promotion should be left to clubs and/or

individuals?who choose to do so.? Currently there is not a lack of

these clubs/individuals.??Forcing race promotion on clubs?that

lack?the?necessary?experience?and resources?will result in?poorly

run, and?likely dangerous?events.???The "rules" should serve to

assist and sustain successful bike clubs,?not burden them with

unwanted, unneeded?regulations.

?

Gotta go get?a facial tattoo, so see you later,????

?

doug perrin??????

----- Original Message -----

From: cmur-@obra.org

To: ob-@topica.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:48 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Another agenda item for the OBRA meeting



There is a proposal that all clubs be required to put on a race each

calendar year.

Candi







Jerry Powell

USAC Elite Coach

1926 SW Madison Street

Portland, OR 97205



503 222 7173

503 799 7823



jpow-@spiritone.com



Jerald M Powell, AICP

Community Planning

1926 SW Madison Street

Portland, OR 97205



503 222 7173

503 799 7823



jpow-@spiritone.com



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I'd rather see effort go towards making sure people volunteer efforts

to existing races. Doesn't seem like we have a huge surplus of

officials and people in line waiting to corner marshall. Besides,

who's going to enforce it and how?





Anyway, I guess if any of us really cares about this - we will be sure

to attend the annual meeting and make sure our team's opinion is

represented.=20







Begin forwarded message:





<excerpt><bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>From:

</color></bold>Jerald Powell <<jpow-@spiritone.com>



<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Date:

</color></bold>February 9, 2005 11:14:21 AM PST



<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>To:

</color></bold>pg-@bendnet.com



<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Cc:

</color></bold>ob-@topica.com, cmur-@obra.org



<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Subject: </color>Re: [OBRA

Chat] Another agenda item for the OBRA meeting



<color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Reply-To:

</color></bold>jpow-@spiritone.com





Doug... and all;





This <italic><color><param>0943,0943,0943</param>is</color></italic>

an idea worth considering. The implications of our present laissez

faire system for race/venue development are a great deal more complex

than simply allowing the "market" to distribute races according to who

gets off on throwing a party for us in their favorite venue... The

advantages of the old system (many years ago every club was required

to put on a race and to furnish officials as well) goes toward

keeping our racing in our own hands instead of it becoming the

province of a few "expert" promoters who soon limit the racing venues

to the places they can easily and profitably promote races. Local

clubs have often made up for "inexpert" promotion by recruiting their

local communities into the event production... We used to have great

one day weekend events in places like Roseburg, Bend, Klamath Falls,

Sherwood, Ashland, Grants Pass, Salem, Beaverton... You get the idea.=20=



I'm not meaning to demean folks who put on great events now... Oregon

is blessed with some really great event producers/promoters... but

there does seem to be a waning of community participation... and

perhaps a waning sense of ownership of these events within our own

community. =20





I'm not sure if it's relevant... and I'm not sure that there's a

causal connection... but our neighbor to the North used to have a

great racing schedule with races every weekend in places like

Bellingham, Tacoma, Port Angeles, Bellevue, "Tri-cities", Yakima,

Carnation... and the local promoters have all but dried up and blown

away. Almost all races in Washington are now put on by just a couple

of promoters.





Lastly, spreading out the race development and promotion in the clubs

didn't just spread the responsibility for racing around... it spread

race production knowledge and a sense of community throughout cycling

in Oregon. That may have been the most important part of that old

fashioned way we used to do things.





So, there it is. I'm pretty sure that a limited number of "expert"

promoters can do a more efficient and slicker job of providing us

their races. What we lose in that efficiency is ownership of our

sport. We also lose the sense of community involvement that makes

bicycle racing a uniquely personal and civil sport.





Jerry





On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Doug Perrin wrote:





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are

up.=A0 Have the=A0intelligence to=A0leave it alone.=A0 Race promotion =

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there is not a lack of these clubs/individuals.=A0=A0Forcing race

promotion on clubs=A0that lack=A0the=A0necessary=A0experience=A0and

resources=A0will result in=A0poorly run, and=A0likely

dangerous=A0events.=A0=A0=A0The "rules" should serve to assist and =

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Jerry Powell



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Portland, OR 97205





503 222 7173



503 799 7823





jpow-@spiritone.com





Jerald M Powell, AICP



<italic><x-tad-smaller>Community Planning</x-tad-smaller></italic>



1926 SW Madison Street



Portland, OR 97205





503 222 7173



503 799 7823





jpow-@spiritone.com



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Doug... and all;



This is an idea worth considering. The implications of our present

laissez faire system for race/venue development are a great deal more

complex than simply allowing the "market" to distribute races according

to who gets off on throwing a party for us in their favorite venue...

The advantages of the old system (many years ago every club was

required to put on a race and to furnish officials as well) goes

toward keeping our racing in our own hands instead of it becoming the

province of a few "expert" promoters who soon limit the racing venues

to the places they can easily and profitably promote races. Local

clubs have often made up for "inexpert" promotion by recruiting their

local communities into the event production... We used to have great

one day weekend events in places like Roseburg, Bend, Klamath Falls,

Sherwood, Ashland, Grants Pass, Salem, Beaverton... You get the idea.

I'm not meaning to demean folks who put on great events now... Oregon

is blessed with some really great event producers/promoters... but

there does seem to be a waning of community participation... and

perhaps a waning sense of ownership of these events within our own

community.



I'm not sure if it's relevant... and I'm not sure that there's a causal

connection... but our neighbor to the North used to have a great racing

schedule with races every weekend in places like Bellingham, Tacoma,

Port Angeles, Bellevue, "Tri-cities", Yakima, Carnation... and the

local promoters have all but dried up and blown away. Almost all races

in Washington are now put on by just a couple of promoters.



Lastly, spreading out the race development and promotion in the clubs

didn't just spread the responsibility for racing around... it spread

race production knowledge and a sense of community throughout cycling

in Oregon. That may have been the most important part of that old

fashioned way we used to do things.



So, there it is. I'm pretty sure that a limited number of "expert"

promoters can do a more efficient and slicker job of providing us their

races. What we lose in that efficiency is ownership of our sport. We

also lose the sense of community involvement that makes bicycle racing

a uniquely personal and civil sport.



Jerry



On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Doug Perrin wrote:



 Ladies and Gentlemen:

?

I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well intentioned, however,

this is not a good idea.? The current system?is working?very well.?

Membership and participation are up.? Have the?intelligence to?leave

it alone.? Race promotion should be left to clubs and/or

individuals?who choose to do so.? Currently there is not a lack of

these clubs/individuals.??Forcing race promotion on clubs?that

lack?the?necessary?experience?and resources?will result in?poorly run,

and?likely dangerous?events.???The "rules" should serve to assist and

sustain successful bike clubs,?not burden them with unwanted,

unneeded?regulations.

?

Gotta go get?a facial tattoo, so see you later,????

?

doug perrin??????

----- Original Message -----

From: cmur-@obra.org

To: ob-@topica.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:48 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Another agenda item for the OBRA meeting



There is a proposal that all clubs be required to put on a race each

calendar year.

Candi







Jerry Powell

USAC Elite Coach

1926 SW Madison Street

Portland, OR 97205



503 222 7173

503 799 7823



jpow-@spiritone.com



Jerald M Powell, AICP

Community Planning

1926 SW Madison Street

Portland, OR 97205



503 222 7173

503 799 7823



jpow-@spiritone.com



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Doug... and all;





This

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param>is</color></fontfamily></italic>

an idea worth considering. The implications of our present laissez

faire system for race/venue development are a great deal more complex

than simply allowing the "market" to distribute races according to who

gets off on throwing a party for us in their favorite venue... The

advantages of the old system (many years ago every club was required

to put on a race and to furnish officials as well) goes toward

keeping our racing in our own hands instead of it becoming the

province of a few "expert" promoters who soon limit the racing venues

to the places they can easily and profitably promote races. Local

clubs have often made up for "inexpert" promotion by recruiting their

local communities into the event production... We used to have great

one day weekend events in places like Roseburg, Bend, Klamath Falls,

Sherwood, Ashland, Grants Pass, Salem, Beaverton... You get the idea.=20=



I'm not meaning to demean folks who put on great events now... Oregon

is blessed with some really great event producers/promoters... but

there does seem to be a waning of community participation... and

perhaps a waning sense of ownership of these events within our own

community. =20





I'm not sure if it's relevant... and I'm not sure that there's a

causal connection... but our neighbor to the North used to have a

great racing schedule with races every weekend in places like

Bellingham, Tacoma, Port Angeles, Bellevue, "Tri-cities", Yakima,

Carnation... and the local promoters have all but dried up and blown

away. Almost all races in Washington are now put on by just a couple

of promoters.





Lastly, spreading out the race development and promotion in the clubs

didn't just spread the responsibility for racing around... it spread

race production knowledge and a sense of community throughout cycling

in Oregon. That may have been the most important part of that old

fashioned way we used to do things.





So, there it is. I'm pretty sure that a limited number of "expert"

promoters can do a more efficient and slicker job of providing us

their races. What we lose in that efficiency is ownership of our

sport. We also lose the sense of community involvement that makes

bicycle racing a uniquely personal and civil sport.





Jerry





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current system=A0is working=A0very well.=A0 Membership and participation =

are

up.=A0 Have the=A0intelligence to=A0leave it alone.=A0 Race promotion =

should

be left to clubs and/or individuals=A0who choose to do so.=A0 Currently

there is not a lack of these clubs/individuals.=A0=A0Forcing race

promotion on clubs=A0that lack=A0the=A0necessary=A0experience=A0and

resources=A0will result in=A0poorly run, and=A0likely

dangerous=A0events.=A0=A0=A0The "rules" should serve to assist and =

sustain

successful bike clubs,=A0not burden them with unwanted,

unneeded=A0regulations.</smaller></fontfamily>



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MessageOh boy hear I go offering my opinion. I would have to agree with Doug (on the race issue not the face tattoo). The current race calendar is absolutely jammed pack. I think we are all pretty spoiled when it comes to racing in Oregon. I am all for anyone wanting to put an event on if it is there choice but forcing or mandating clubs do it I think is unecessary at this point. My two cents worth anyways.



Chad

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Ladies and Gentlemen:



I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well intentioned, however, this is not a good idea. The current system is working very well. Membership and participation are up. Have the intelligence to leave it alone. Race promotion should be left to clubs and/or individuals who choose to do so. Currently there is not a lack of these clubs/individuals. Forcing race promotion on clubs that lack the necessary experience and resources will result in poorly run, and likely dangerous events.   The "rules" should serve to assist and sustain successful bike clubs, not burden them with unwanted, unneeded regulations.



Gotta go get a facial tattoo, so see you later,    



doug perrin      

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    There is a proposal that all clubs be required to put on a race each calendar year.

    Candi

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh boy hear I go offering my opinion.  I would

have to agree with Doug (on the race issue not the face tattoo).  The

current race calendar is absolutely jammed pack.  I think we are all pretty

spoiled when it comes to racing in Oregon.  I am all for anyone wanting to

put an event on if it is there choice but forcing or mandating clubs do it I

think is unecessary at this point.  My two cents worth

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Chad</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=c-@obra.org

href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org">cmur-@obra.org</A> ; <A title-@topica.com

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well

intentioned, however, this is not a good idea.  The current

system is working very well.  Membership and participation are

up.  Have the intelligence to leave it alone.  Race

promotion should be left to clubs and/or individuals who choose to do

so.  Currently there is not a lack of these

clubs/individuals.  Forcing race promotion on clubs that

lack the necessary experience and resources will

result in poorly run, and likely

dangerous events.   The "rules" should serve to assist and

sustain successful bike clubs, not burden them with unwanted,

unneeded regulations.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gotta go get a facial tattoo, so see you

later,    </FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>doug

perrin      </FONT></DIV>

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    <DIV><SPAN class=594114823-08022005><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is a

    proposal that all clubs be required to put on a race each calendar

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I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well intentioned, however, this is not a good idea. The current system is working very well. Membership and participation are up. Have the intelligence to leave it alone. Race promotion should be left to clubs and/or individuals who choose to do so. Currently there is not a lack of these clubs/individuals. Forcing race promotion on clubs that lack the necessary experience and resources will result in poorly run, and likely dangerous events.   The "rules" should serve to assist and sustain successful bike clubs, not burden them with unwanted, unneeded regulations.



Gotta go get a facial tattoo, so see you later,    



doug perrin      

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Candi

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well

intentioned, however, this is not a good idea.  The current system is

working very well.  Membership and participation are up.  Have

the intelligence to leave it alone.  Race promotion should be

left to clubs and/or individuals who choose to do so.  Currently there

is not a lack of these clubs/individuals.  Forcing race promotion on

clubs that lack the necessary experience and

resources will result in poorly run, and likely

dangerous events.   The "rules" should serve to assist and

sustain successful bike clubs, not burden them with unwanted,

unneeded regulations.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gotta go get a facial tattoo, so see you

later,    </FONT></DIV>

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