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Re: [OBRA Chat] Another agenda item for the OBRA meetingHere's another idea. If we want to encourage more race volunteers from every club during the season, perhaps we could require each club to provide a minimum number of volunteers each year that would be documented on an OBRA form and submitted after each event. Clubs could then support each other and specific races rather than remaining insular. If a club provides the minimum number of volunteers that year, their team registration fee would remain at $35. If they didn't provide the required minimum, then perhaps they would pay the year's team fee at something like $105 to cover additional resources needed to martial a race. Just a thought. Any comments?
-- Darell
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From: Glen Gann
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A new way to look at it. I don't think every club would have to come up with a race. Simply ask one of are many good promoters that if they could attach there club name on to his/her a event. This would also help out with getting volunteers.
And like Mike said everyone needs a note before the year is out.
Glen
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From: Norrene Godfrey
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but to force a club who has little resources and manpower to put on an event can take away from Oregon's "race development."
On 2/9/05 11:14 AM, "Jerald Powell" <jpow-@spiritone.com> wrote:
Doug... and all;
This is an idea worth considering. The implications of our present laissez faire system for race/venue development are a great deal more complex than simply allowing the "market" to distribute races according to who gets off on throwing a party for us in their favorite venue... The advantages of the old system (many years ago every club was required to put on a race and to furnish officials as well) goes toward keeping our racing in our own hands instead of it becoming the province of a few "expert" promoters who soon limit the racing venues to the places they can easily and profitably promote races. Local clubs have often made up for "inexpert" promotion by recruiting their local communities into the event production... We used to have great one day weekend events in places like Roseburg, Bend, Klamath Falls, Sherwood, Ashland, Grants Pass, Salem, Beaverton... You get the idea. I'm not meaning to demean folks who put on great events now... Oregon is blessed with some really great event producers/promoters... but there does seem to be a waning of community participation... and perhaps a waning sense of ownership of these events within our own community.
I'm not sure if it's relevant... and I'm not sure that there's a causal connection... but our neighbor to the North used to have a great racing schedule with races every weekend in places like Bellingham, Tacoma, Port Angeles, Bellevue, "Tri-cities", Yakima, Carnation... and the local promoters have all but dried up and blown away. Almost all races in Washington are now put on by just a couple of promoters.
Lastly, spreading out the race development and promotion in the clubs didn't just spread the responsibility for racing around... it spread race production knowledge and a sense of community throughout cycling in Oregon. That may have been the most important part of that old fashioned way we used to do things.
So, there it is. I'm pretty sure that a limited number of "expert" promoters can do a more efficient and slicker job of providing us their races. What we lose in that efficiency is ownership of our sport. We also lose the sense of community involvement that makes bicycle racing a uniquely personal and civil sport.
Jerry
On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Doug Perrin wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen:
I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well intentioned, however, this is not a good idea. The current system is working very well. Membership and participation are up. Have the intelligence to leave it alone. Race promotion should be left to clubs and/or individuals who choose to do so. Currently there is not a lack of these clubs/individuals. Forcing race promotion on clubs that lack the necessary experience and resources will result in poorly run, and likely dangerous events. The "rules" should serve to assist and sustain successful bike clubs, not burden them with unwanted, unneeded regulations.
Gotta go get a facial tattoo, so see you later,
doug perrin
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Another agenda item for the OBRA meeting
There is a proposal that all clubs be required to put on a race each calendar year.
Candi
Jerry Powell
USAC Elite Coach
1926 SW Madison Street
Portland, OR 97205
503 222 7173
503 799 7823
jpow-@spiritone.com
Jerald M Powell, AICP
Community Planning
1926 SW Madison Street
Portland, OR 97205
503 222 7173
503 799 7823
jpow-@spiritone.com
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here's another idea. If we want to encourage more
race volunteers from every club during the season, perhaps we could require each
club to provide a minimum number of volunteers each year that would be
documented on an OBRA form and submitted after each event. Clubs could then
support each other and specific races rather than remaining insular. If a club
provides the minimum number of volunteers that year, their team registration fee
would remain at $35. If they didn't provide the required minimum, then perhaps
they would pay the year's team fee at something like $105 to cover additional
resources needed to martial a race. Just a thought. Any comments?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-- Darell</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=-@charter.net href="mailto:gga-@charter.net">Glen Gann</A>
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title=j-@spiritone.com
href="mailto:jpow-@spiritone.com">jpow-@spiritone.com</A> ; <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title-@topica.com
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href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org">Candi Murray</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat] Another agenda
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A new way to look at it. I don't think every club
would have to come up with a race. Simply ask one of are many good promoters
that if they could attach there club name on to his/her a event.
This would also help out with getting volunteers. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And like Mike said everyone needs a note before
the year is out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Glen </FONT></DIV>
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href="mailto:Norrene.-@nike.com">Norrene Godfrey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=j-@spiritone.com
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<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">but to
force a club who has little resources and manpower to put on an event can
take away from Oregon?s ?race development.?<BR><BR><BR>On 2/9/05 11:14 AM,
"Jerald Powell" <<A
href="mailto:jpow-@spiritone.com">jpow-@spiritone.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Doug... and
all; <BR><BR>This </SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT
color=#090909><FONT
face="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"><I>is</I></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Eurostile> an idea worth considering. The implications of our
present laissez faire system for race/venue development are a great deal
more complex than simply allowing the "market" to distribute races
according to who gets off on throwing a party for us in their favorite
venue... The advantages of the old system (many years ago every club
was required to put on a race and to furnish officials as well) goes
toward keeping our racing in our own hands instead of it becoming the
province of a few "expert" promoters who soon limit the racing venues to
the places they can easily and profitably promote races. Local clubs
have often made up for "inexpert" promotion by recruiting their local
communities into the event production... We used to have great one day
weekend events in places like Roseburg, Bend, Klamath Falls, Sherwood,
Ashland, Grants Pass, Salem, Beaverton... You get the idea.
I'm not meaning to demean folks who put on great events now...
Oregon is blessed with some really great event producers/promoters... but
there does seem to be a waning of community participation... and perhaps a
waning sense of ownership of these events within our own community.
<BR><BR>I'm not sure if it's relevant... and I'm not sure that
there's a causal connection... but our neighbor to the North used to have
a great racing schedule with races every weekend in places like
Bellingham, Tacoma, Port Angeles, Bellevue, "Tri-cities", Yakima,
Carnation... and the local promoters have all but dried up and blown away.
Almost all races in Washington are now put on by just a couple of
promoters. <BR><BR>Lastly, spreading out the race development and
promotion in the clubs didn't just spread the responsibility for racing
around... it spread race production knowledge and a sense of community
throughout cycling in Oregon. That may have been the most important
part of that old fashioned way we used to do things. <BR><BR>So, there it
is. I'm pretty sure that a limited number of "expert" promoters can
do a more efficient and slicker job of providing us their races.
What we lose in that efficiency is ownership of our sport. We also
lose the sense of community involvement that makes bicycle racing a
uniquely personal and civil sport. <BR><BR>Jerry <BR><BR>On Feb 8, 2005,
at 8:24 PM, Doug Perrin wrote: <BR><BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Ladies and Gentlemen:</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"> <BR>
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">I am sure the sponsor of this proposal is well
intentioned, however, this is not a good idea. The current
system is working very well. Membership and
participation are up. Have the intelligence to leave it
alone. Race promotion should be left to clubs and/or
individuals who choose to do so. Currently there is not a
lack of these clubs/individuals. Forcing race promotion on
clubs that lack the necessary experience and
resources will result in poorly run, and likely
dangerous events. The "rules" should serve to
assist and sustain successful bike clubs, not burden them with
unwanted, unneeded regulations.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"> <BR>
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Gotta go get a facial tattoo, so see you
later, </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"> <BR>
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">doug
perrin </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Eurostile><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT face=Arial>----- Original Message
-----</FONT><FONT face=Eurostile> <BR></FONT><FONT
face=Arial><B>From:</B> <FONT color=#0000ee>cmur-@obra.org</FONT>
</FONT><FONT face=Eurostile><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial><B>To:</B> <FONT
color=#0000ee>ob-@topica.com</FONT> </FONT><FONT
face=Eurostile><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday,
February 08, 2005 3:48 PM</FONT><FONT face=Eurostile> <BR></FONT><FONT
face=Arial><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] Another agenda item for the OBRA
meeting</FONT><FONT face=Eurostile> <BR><BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">There is a
proposal that all clubs be required to put on a race each calendar
year.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Eurostile><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Candi</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT
face="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">
<BR></SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT
face=Eurostile><BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT
face="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial">Jerry Powell <BR><I>USAC Elite Coach
<BR></I>1926 SW Madison Street <BR>Portland, OR 97205 <BR><BR>503 222 7173
<BR>503 799 7823 <BR><BR>jpow-@spiritone.com</FONT><FONT face=Eurostile>
<BR><BR></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial">Jerald M Powell,
AICP <BR><I>Community Planning</I> <BR>1926 SW Madison Street
<BR>Portland, OR 97205 <BR><BR>503 222 7173 <BR>503 799 7823
<BR><BR>jpow-@spiritone.com</FONT><FONT face=Eurostile>
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face=Eurostile><BR></FONT></SPAN>
<P align=center><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT face=Eurostile><FONT
color=#777777>Norrene Godfrey </FONT><FONT color=#ff0000>|</FONT><FONT
color=#777777> Senior Production Artist </FONT><FONT color=#ff0000>|
</FONT><FONT color=#777777>US Sport Apparel<BR>Nike </FONT><FONT
color=#ff0000>|</FONT><FONT color=#777777> 503.671.2178 </FONT><FONT
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