RE: Rehearsal Women's Race and Master's races

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Hahahaa. To funny.



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Yes, but we need to be able to finish before it gets dark.







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Yes, but we need to be able to finish before it gets dark.



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From: Long, Steve [mailto:Steve-@clark.wa.gov]

Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:37 AM

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Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Rehearsal Women's Race and Master's races





I think the master's races should also be as long as the Cat 3 men.

Often times these races are reduced to the length of the Cat4/5 men and

I think that's too short in most cases. Come on, it's not like we're

going to just stop breathing or something. We can handle it.



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I strongly agree that the Senior Women's races should be as long

as the Cat 3 Men's races. As Kerry mentioned, many of us have stage

races and other endurance events on our calendars and these short

distances are inadequate.

Thanks,

Shari Shanks



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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Long, Steve

[mailto:Steve-@clark.wa.gov] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 08, 2005 9:37

AM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OBRA Chat] Rehearsal

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<DIV><SPAN class=747123516-08042005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I

think the master's races should also be as long as the Cat 3 men. Often times

these races are reduced to the length of the Cat4/5 men and I think that's too

short in most cases. Come on, it's not like we're going to just stop breathing

or something. We can handle it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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whitlatch<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat] Rehearsal Women's

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<DIV>I strongly agree that the Senior Women's races should be as long as the

Cat 3 Men's races.  As Kerry mentioned, many of us have stage races and

other endurance events on our calendars and these short distances are

inadequate.</DIV>

<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>

<DIV>Shari Shanks</DIV>

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Clark Ritchie

2005-04-08



Easy, people... step away from the keyboard and put

down your flame thrower.



I think Mark had his tongue firmly implanted in his

cheek.



Perhaps I missed the memo that sarcasm is not

permitted on this list anymore.



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markjgi-@yahoo.com

2005-04-08



Cheryl is right,

my comments were not directed at the women's race.

To the extent folks think they were that is my fault.



Mark



--- "Cheryl J. Willson" <cjwil-@mindspring.com>

wrote:

 I'm not sure this is a fair response to the concerns

about the senior

women race. Seems to me that a longer distance would

be appropriate for

a state championship race - shouldn't it be a

challenging distance? If

I can ride the distance, it is certainly not epic -

not for Cat 1/2/3

ladies. (Of course, if it was really hot, I wouldn't

make it through my

warm-up by that's another subject entirely.)



That being said, if the promoter is just having

trouble fitting all the

categories in and having logistical difficulties

with a longer women's

race, then I'd say - whatever works.



Anyway, I have no stake in this so I should just

keep my trap shut - I

just think that the ladies should not be dismissed

as simply wanting a

race that plays to their strengths. I also think

that promoters

absolutely have the right to ignore even sensible

feedback/complaints.



Cheryl





On Apr 8, 2005, at 9:43 AM, markjgi-@yahoo.com

wrote:



 I think everyone needs to put on a race!



not everyone will every be happy with every race.



we all want races that suit our strenths:

I would like a race that is:

long enough for me, but not too long, so I don't

get

 tired. not too hilly, but hilly enough to shed the

guy

 behind me, but not me.

a long enough flat straigh finish with the

littlest

 bit of a rise, and a tailwind.

I would like it to be sunny, but only say high

60's.

 

but if it is a crit, I would like it to be 70 and

wet

 as heck!



and if it is on the track, I would like it to be

master 35 please b/c I turn 35 this year.



thank you



Mark Ginsberg



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Long, Steve

2005-04-08



Okay Mark, we'll try and please you with the Downtown Crit in Vancouver

on July 31st. North River is putting in on and I have been right smack

dab in the middle of the red tape and it is not a trivial task to put on

a race. I would still like to see the masters races long but come on

down on July 31st and we'll see if we can accommodate you.



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I think everyone needs to put on a race!



not everyone will every be happy with every race.



we all want races that suit our strenths:

I would like a race that is:

long enough for me, but not too long, so I don't get

tired. not too hilly, but hilly enough to shed the guy

behind me, but not me.

a long enough flat straigh finish with the littlest

bit of a rise, and a tailwind.

I would like it to be sunny, but only say high 60's.



but if it is a crit, I would like it to be 70 and wet

as heck!



and if it is on the track, I would like it to be

master 35 please b/c I turn 35 this year.



thank you



Mark Ginsberg



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Cheryl J. Willson

2005-04-08



I'm not sure this is a fair response to the concerns about the senior

women race. Seems to me that a longer distance would be appropriate for

a state championship race - shouldn't it be a challenging distance? If

I can ride the distance, it is certainly not epic - not for Cat 1/2/3

ladies. (Of course, if it was really hot, I wouldn't make it through my

warm-up by that's another subject entirely.)



That being said, if the promoter is just having trouble fitting all the

categories in and having logistical difficulties with a longer women's

race, then I'd say - whatever works.



Anyway, I have no stake in this so I should just keep my trap shut - I

just think that the ladies should not be dismissed as simply wanting a

race that plays to their strengths. I also think that promoters

absolutely have the right to ignore even sensible feedback/complaints.



Cheryl





On Apr 8, 2005, at 9:43 AM, markjgi-@yahoo.com wrote:



 I think everyone needs to put on a race!



not everyone will every be happy with every race.



we all want races that suit our strenths:

I would like a race that is:

long enough for me, but not too long, so I don't get

tired. not too hilly, but hilly enough to shed the guy

behind me, but not me.

a long enough flat straigh finish with the littlest

bit of a rise, and a tailwind.

I would like it to be sunny, but only say high 60's.



but if it is a crit, I would like it to be 70 and wet

as heck!



and if it is on the track, I would like it to be

master 35 please b/c I turn 35 this year.



thank you



Mark Ginsberg



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Doug Evans

2005-04-08



I don't understand why you would attack the senior women for wanting races that are long enough to keep them fit. The senior women aren't allowed to ask for changes in this forum? How do you want them to ask for changes? I suppose they could not show up for the races. Then you would ask them why they don't show up to race and they would tell you that it's because the races are too damn short to keep them fit. And, then you would ask "why didn't you tell us this?". Wouldn't you rather find out ahead of time? Do race promoters not want feedback?



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Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Rehearsal Women's Race and Master's races





I think everyone needs to put on a race!



not everyone will every be happy with every race.



we all want races that suit our strenths:

I would like a race that is:

long enough for me, but not too long, so I don't get

tired. not too hilly, but hilly enough to shed the guy

behind me, but not me.

a long enough flat straigh finish with the littlest

bit of a rise, and a tailwind.

I would like it to be sunny, but only say high 60's.



but if it is a crit, I would like it to be 70 and wet

as heck!



and if it is on the track, I would like it to be

master 35 please b/c I turn 35 this year.



thank you



Mark Ginsberg



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2005-04-08



I think everyone needs to put on a race!



not everyone will every be happy with every race.



we all want races that suit our strenths:

I would like a race that is:

long enough for me, but not too long, so I don't get

tired. not too hilly, but hilly enough to shed the guy

behind me, but not me.

a long enough flat straigh finish with the littlest

bit of a rise, and a tailwind.

I would like it to be sunny, but only say high 60's.



but if it is a crit, I would like it to be 70 and wet

as heck!



and if it is on the track, I would like it to be

master 35 please b/c I turn 35 this year.



thank you



Mark Ginsberg



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I think the master's races should also be as long as the Cat 3 men.

Often times these races are reduced to the length of the Cat4/5 men and

I think that's too short in most cases. Come on, it's not like we're

going to just stop breathing or something. We can handle it.



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jo-@aracnet.com

Cc: shanan whitlatch

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rehearsal Women's Race





I strongly agree that the Senior Women's races should be as long

as the Cat 3 Men's races. As Kerry mentioned, many of us have stage

races and other endurance events on our calendars and these short

distances are inadequate.

Thanks,

Shari Shanks



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think the master's races should also be as long as the Cat 3 men. Often times

these races are reduced to the length of the Cat4/5 men and I think that's too

short in most cases. Come on, it's not like we're going to just stop breathing

or something. We can handle it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>

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whitlatch<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat] Rehearsal Women's

Race<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>

<DIV>I strongly agree that the Senior Women's races should be as long as the

Cat 3 Men's races.  As Kerry mentioned, many of us have stage races and

other endurance events on our calendars and these short distances are

inadequate.</DIV>

<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>

<DIV>Shari Shanks</DIV>

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