RE: change in the results at PIR: moral of story

Ken Morton

2005-04-27





--- Jay Martineau <jmart-@earthlink.net> wrote:

 Hmmmmmm 2 officals. 200+ riders. We should be thankful to see the top

15.



I to am very thankfull for all that the officials do.



 Are you honestly telling me that you have see your name associated

with a

placing to tell that you're improving?



Well, yes, in a way. It lets me know how I'm doing compared to other

riders in my class, it lets me know how I'm doing compared to last

month or last year. It tells me I'm not just a "really random

occurrences anyhow" (ouch) when I see that week-to-week I finish with

the same group of people.



 Thanks Candi.



Ditto.



If the reason is that it is just too damn much work for Candi to have

placings all the way back, I can sure accept that. I'm grateful for

what she does, and I don't have the time to volunteer to review tapes

for her. But, if this is as expressed, a safety issue, I still don't

see where it really adresses the problem. (i.e. one person not looking

where he/she was going).



Ken



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Adams, Mike

2005-04-27



My goodness folks, has anybody got that big contract yet or are we still doing this for fun and fitness? If your not in the top 3 you don't make the podium. Unless I have a chance to win, I back off, call it a good time and roll for home unscathed. Just a thought.



-----Original Message-----

From: Jay Martineau [mailto:jmart-@earthlink.net]

Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:55 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] change in the results at PIR: moral of story





Hmmmmmm 2 officals. 200+ riders. We should be thankful to see the top 15.



Are you honestly telling me that you have see your name associated with a

placing to tell that you're improving?



Thanks Candi.

-----Original Message-----

From: Freyensee, James P [mailto:james.p.f-@intel.com]

Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:50 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] change in the results at PIR: moral of story



This is a good point. Chopping results to 15 may actually cause MORE

problems as more people may be going nuts for that 15th spot. And many

people usually strive for breaking the top 20, instead of top 15. It's

kind of an American habit for us in any sporting event to break a top 20

position in something.



Still does not excuse people for not being smart at the finish.



-----Original Message-----

From: Ken Morton [mailto:k7f-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:37 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] change in the results at PIR: moral of story



I hate to see this, as it helps us newbie racers to know where we

placed. From 22nd to 17th counts when last year you were

40-something-th. If it saves crashes though, that is a good thing. I'm

not sure how it stops the 22nd place rider from crashing into the back

of the 21st rider while sprinting for 15th though..



It really sounds more like a problem that should be adressed to the

individual racer than a scoring change.



Ken



--- "Freyensee, James P" <james.p.f-@intel.com> wrote:

 Moral of this story: keep your head up and pay attention at ALL

times.

A closed course does not mean your brain can rest.



-----Original Message-----

From: Neil Green [mailto:neilgr-@hotmail.com]



You never know when the top 48 might take themselves out!!!!!    



Neil





Candi Murray wrote:

 

Last night there was a crash in the 3/4 field because a rider was

sprinting for 49th place into the back of slowing riders. To

assist

in

 this not happening again in the future we will only pick the top

15.

If

 you wish to know your place and are not in the top 15, count.









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Jay Martineau

2005-04-27



Hmmmmmm 2 officals. 200+ riders. We should be thankful to see the top 15.



Are you honestly telling me that you have see your name associated with a

placing to tell that you're improving?



Thanks Candi.

-----Original Message-----

From: Freyensee, James P [mailto:james.p.f-@intel.com]

Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:50 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] change in the results at PIR: moral of story



This is a good point. Chopping results to 15 may actually cause MORE

problems as more people may be going nuts for that 15th spot. And many

people usually strive for breaking the top 20, instead of top 15. It's

kind of an American habit for us in any sporting event to break a top 20

position in something.



Still does not excuse people for not being smart at the finish.



-----Original Message-----

From: Ken Morton [mailto:k7f-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:37 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] change in the results at PIR: moral of story



I hate to see this, as it helps us newbie racers to know where we

placed. From 22nd to 17th counts when last year you were

40-something-th. If it saves crashes though, that is a good thing. I'm

not sure how it stops the 22nd place rider from crashing into the back

of the 21st rider while sprinting for 15th though..



It really sounds more like a problem that should be adressed to the

individual racer than a scoring change.



Ken



--- "Freyensee, James P" <james.p.f-@intel.com> wrote:

 Moral of this story: keep your head up and pay attention at ALL

times.

A closed course does not mean your brain can rest.



-----Original Message-----

From: Neil Green [mailto:neilgr-@hotmail.com]



You never know when the top 48 might take themselves out!!!!!    



Neil





Candi Murray wrote:

 

Last night there was a crash in the 3/4 field because a rider was

sprinting for 49th place into the back of slowing riders. To

assist

in

 this not happening again in the future we will only pick the top

15.

If

 you wish to know your place and are not in the top 15, count.









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Freyensee, James P

2005-04-27



This is a good point. Chopping results to 15 may actually cause MORE

problems as more people may be going nuts for that 15th spot. And many

people usually strive for breaking the top 20, instead of top 15. It's

kind of an American habit for us in any sporting event to break a top 20

position in something.



Still does not excuse people for not being smart at the finish.



-----Original Message-----

From: Ken Morton [mailto:k7f-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:37 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] change in the results at PIR: moral of story



I hate to see this, as it helps us newbie racers to know where we

placed. From 22nd to 17th counts when last year you were

40-something-th. If it saves crashes though, that is a good thing. I'm

not sure how it stops the 22nd place rider from crashing into the back

of the 21st rider while sprinting for 15th though..



It really sounds more like a problem that should be adressed to the

individual racer than a scoring change.



Ken



--- "Freyensee, James P" <james.p.f-@intel.com> wrote:

 Moral of this story: keep your head up and pay attention at ALL

times.

A closed course does not mean your brain can rest.



-----Original Message-----

From: Neil Green [mailto:neilgr-@hotmail.com]



You never know when the top 48 might take themselves out!!!!!    



Neil





Candi Murray wrote:

 

Last night there was a crash in the 3/4 field because a rider was

sprinting for 49th place into the back of slowing riders. To

assist

in

 this not happening again in the future we will only pick the top

15.

If

 you wish to know your place and are not in the top 15, count.









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Ken Morton

2005-04-27



I hate to see this, as it helps us newbie racers to know where we

placed. From 22nd to 17th counts when last year you were

40-something-th. If it saves crashes though, that is a good thing. I'm

not sure how it stops the 22nd place rider from crashing into the back

of the 21st rider while sprinting for 15th though..



It really sounds more like a problem that should be adressed to the

individual racer than a scoring change.



Ken



--- "Freyensee, James P" <james.p.f-@intel.com> wrote:

 Moral of this story: keep your head up and pay attention at ALL

times.

A closed course does not mean your brain can rest.



-----Original Message-----

From: Neil Green [mailto:neilgr-@hotmail.com]



You never know when the top 48 might take themselves out!!!!!    



Neil





Candi Murray wrote:

 

Last night there was a crash in the 3/4 field because a rider was

sprinting for 49th place into the back of slowing riders. To

assist

in

 this not happening again in the future we will only pick the top

15.

If

 you wish to know your place and are not in the top 15, count.









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Freyensee, James P

2005-04-27



Moral of this story: keep your head up and pay attention at ALL times.

A closed course does not mean your brain can rest.



-----Original Message-----

From: Neil Green [mailto:neilgr-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:18 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] change in the results at PIR



You never know when the top 48 might take themselves out!!!!!    



Neil





Candi Murray wrote:

 

Last night there was a crash in the 3/4 field because a rider was

sprinting for 49th place into the back of slowing riders. To assist

in

 this not happening again in the future we will only pick the top 15.

If

 you wish to know your place and are not in the top 15, count.



Candi Murray



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