Thomas Hoffman

I'll second that!



I've only done a few team O rides and they have always been accommodating

and patient with Hack riders like me. If you've been hesitant to ride with a

group like that, don't be, they are there to share the passion, and a little

bit of pain.



Tom Hoffman



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From: markjgi-@yahoo.com [mailto:markjgi-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 4:05 PM

To: dansilv-@comcast.net; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Paceline Instruction



I might suggest the Team Oregon Saturday ride



info on the team web site www.teamoregon.org



ride is designed for all people, but the goal is to

get people riding well and it is a great place to

start.



Mark Ginsberg





--- dansilv-@comcast.net wrote:

 I have gone on this ride a few times in the past.

There was no paceline riding or instruction; it was

mostly a hammer fest.    The group pretty much

shattered because the stronger riders would amp it

as soon as they got to the front, effectively

dropping the guy that just finished with his pull.





Unless things have changed, I have to say that this

is NOT the place for paceline practice!



-------------- Original message --------------



 The Wheelmen have a Tuesday pacelines ride that

leave at 6:00 from the

 park at N.E. Skidmore and 33rd.



Tuesday Night Pacelines: Distance 25 miles. Leaves

at 6:00 p.m. from

 Wilshire Park, NE 36th & Skidmore. This ride

focuses on group paceline

 riding and following the rules of the road. You

must be able to

 maintain a steady 17-25 mph pace and be prepared

to stop at yellow (and

 red) lights. Lights will be required until

daylight is sufficient and

 reflective clothing is strongly recommended for

early evening dusk

 riding. Regroup Ride. Level C. Ride leaders: Phil

Whitmore,

 503-274-9755 & Marc Guichard, 503-236-8959.







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From: jcar-@pdx.edu [mailto:jcar-@pdx.edu]

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:40 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paceline Instruction



Are there club rides near Portland specifically

for those wanting to

 learn

riding in a paceline? Options on the east side

would be particularly

 convenient. Thanks in advance.



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I might suggest the Team Oregon Saturday ride



info on the team web site www.teamoregon.org



ride is designed for all people, but the goal is to

get people riding well and it is a great place to

start.



Mark Ginsberg





--- dansilv-@comcast.net wrote:

 I have gone on this ride a few times in the past.

There was no paceline riding or instruction; it was

mostly a hammer fest.    The group pretty much

shattered because the stronger riders would amp it

as soon as they got to the front, effectively

dropping the guy that just finished with his pull.





Unless things have changed, I have to say that this

is NOT the place for paceline practice!



-------------- Original message --------------



 The Wheelmen have a Tuesday pacelines ride that

leave at 6:00 from the

 park at N.E. Skidmore and 33rd.



Tuesday Night Pacelines: Distance 25 miles. Leaves

at 6:00 p.m. from

 Wilshire Park, NE 36th & Skidmore. This ride

focuses on group paceline

 riding and following the rules of the road. You

must be able to

 maintain a steady 17-25 mph pace and be prepared

to stop at yellow (and

 red) lights. Lights will be required until

daylight is sufficient and

 reflective clothing is strongly recommended for

early evening dusk

 riding. Regroup Ride. Level C. Ride leaders: Phil

Whitmore,

 503-274-9755 & Marc Guichard, 503-236-8959.







-----Original Message-----

From: jcar-@pdx.edu [mailto:jcar-@pdx.edu]

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:40 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paceline Instruction



Are there club rides near Portland specifically

for those wanting to

 learn

riding in a paceline? Options on the east side

would be particularly

 convenient. Thanks in advance.



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I have gone on this ride a few times in the past.   There was no paceline riding or instruction; it was mostly a hammer fest.    The group pretty much shattered because the stronger riders would amp it as soon as they got to the front, effectively dropping the guy that just finished with his pull.    



Unless things have changed, I have to say that this is NOT the place for paceline practice!



-------------- Original message --------------



 The Wheelmen have a Tuesday pacelines ride that leave at 6:00 from the

park at N.E. Skidmore and 33rd.



Tuesday Night Pacelines: Distance 25 miles. Leaves at 6:00 p.m. from

Wilshire Park, NE 36th & Skidmore. This ride focuses on group paceline

riding and following the rules of the road. You must be able to

maintain a steady 17-25 mph pace and be prepared to stop at yellow (and

red) lights. Lights will be required until daylight is sufficient and

reflective clothing is strongly recommended for early evening dusk

riding. Regroup Ride. Level C. Ride leaders: Phil Whitmore,

503-274-9755 & Marc Guichard, 503-236-8959.







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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:40 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paceline Instruction



Are there club rides near Portland specifically for those wanting to

learn

riding in a paceline? Options on the east side would be particularly

convenient. Thanks in advance.



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Actually the PWTC Tues ride is now:



Tuesday Night Classic: Distance 27 miles. Leaves at

6:00 p.m. from Wilshire Park, NE 36th & Skidmore. The

original Tuesday night ride that still goes around Kelley Point.

Formerly dominated by racers and rascals, this is what happens

when we get older ? 18-22 mph. Reflective clothing is

strongly recommended for early evening dusk

riding. Regroup ride. Level C. Ride leader: Phil Whitmore,

503-274-9755.



Having ridden on this ride quite a bit, they don't really "teach" how to

ride pacelines. And although people draft, good pacelines are rare. In

general, I found in the portland area, pacelines are rare, too many

interuptions, and its just not something people do.. versus midwest

(where I started 17 yrs ago) where typically we never were Not doing a

paceline..



The Thursday PWTC Wilshire Park rides have been getting a good strong

group or riders and some pacelining has been occuring. I am guessing

the Tues PWTC is going good too.



Also come out on the Team Bridge City rides and I can try to teach, we

can do some pacelines...



The other option is to go PIR training races and get 4 to 5 guys and go

to the front and just stay together working on a paceline.



Some points to remember.

-Position yourself behind rider so you feel the least wind on your face.



-Always pull off into the wind (ie dont move over on overlapped

wheels!) If unsure, most just pull off to left, first look for cars.

-If you start dying or your pace starts dropping, pull off! the point of

a paceline is to keep the pace the same (surging wastes energy)

everyone together, everyone does what they can. Even if you are strong

rider and doing the huge pulls, even a 5 sec break is nice. And if

there is a strong rider and he going fast and you can't go faster, then

let him pull, unless of course there are stronger riders behing you,

then pull through quick. Its a balance act. Pulling too long just to get

dropped is Worse (yes worse)then not doing anything.    

-If you are second in line and you sense the pace starts dropping, or

you have "recovered" from your pull (eg HR back down below LT), Time to

come around, Come around fairly Gently. Do not surge.

-If you in the front and as soon as you sense the guy coming around,

Don't keep riding hard! ease up a bit so that he comes around sooner

and you get to the back quicker. But don't slow down too much, drift

back. exception is of course if you are doing an echelon, rotating

paceline(probably 10 plus riders), then you have two pulls. One on

going foward line, one on the going back line.

-If the group is trying to go fast and hard, you must rotate fast.

10-20 second pulls !! No surging, everyone is maxed out, any surging

and you will blow up your help! Smooth keep it smooth.



-also, first though, you must get strong enough, and you must get

comfortable. Initially work on drafting. The secret here is SPIN.

Keep a good cadence so you can respond. And never let a Gap develop.

Never. Keep telling yourself "close the gap", "close the gap".[assuming

fairly flat ground, obviously on a hill you'll just blow]. After a

while of doing this, you will develop the instinct to always stay

protected, always get a wheel, always conserve energy. Always Always

stay protected (until of course you are stronger). Once again the whole

point is to stay with the group, you must do everything to not get

dropped. Drafting and then working together/pacelining really is most

of the battle. And Spin.    



John "if you aren't drafting, you aren't cycling" Schmidt..







Schreck, George wrote:

 

The Wheelmen have a Tuesday pacelines ride that leave at 6:00 from the

park at N.E. Skidmore and 33rd.



Tuesday Night Pacelines: Distance 25 miles. Leaves at 6:00 p.m. from

Wilshire Park, NE 36th & Skidmore. This ride focuses on group paceline

riding and following the rules of the road. You must be able to

maintain a steady 17-25 mph pace and be prepared to stop at yellow (and

red) lights. Lights will be required until daylight is sufficient and

reflective clothing is strongly recommended for early evening dusk

riding. Regroup Ride. Level C. Ride leaders: Phil Whitmore,

503-274-9755 & Marc Guichard, 503-236-8959.







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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:40 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paceline Instruction



Are there club rides near Portland specifically for those wanting to

learn

riding in a paceline? Options on the east side would be particularly

convenient. Thanks in advance.



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Schreck, George

The Wheelmen have a Tuesday pacelines ride that leave at 6:00 from the

park at N.E. Skidmore and 33rd.



Tuesday Night Pacelines: Distance 25 miles. Leaves at 6:00 p.m. from

Wilshire Park, NE 36th & Skidmore. This ride focuses on group paceline

riding and following the rules of the road. You must be able to

maintain a steady 17-25 mph pace and be prepared to stop at yellow (and

red) lights. Lights will be required until daylight is sufficient and

reflective clothing is strongly recommended for early evening dusk

riding. Regroup Ride. Level C. Ride leaders: Phil Whitmore,

503-274-9755 & Marc Guichard, 503-236-8959.







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From: jcar-@pdx.edu [mailto:jcar-@pdx.edu]

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:40 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paceline Instruction



Are there club rides near Portland specifically for those wanting to

learn

riding in a paceline? Options on the east side would be particularly

convenient. Thanks in advance.



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Are there club rides near Portland specifically for those wanting to learn

riding in a paceline? Options on the east side would be particularly

convenient. Thanks in advance.