OBRA: OBRA Chat: chainbreaker

Wayne Nussbaum

2011-05-04

Any carpool heading that way this weekend?

Wayne

Don Leet

2010-05-06

Though the weather is spotty is this week the single track in Central Oregon is fantastic and that included the Chainbreaker Course, it is in the best condition I have seen it. Come over and race and take advantage of some fantastic single track.
Don

Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team

2009-05-06

I don't have a problem with you following your son on the course. It's a great idea. You have to make sure you are not helping him. I followed my son last year and just made sure he didn't get lost and that was it. He even got a flat and had to change it him self. I followed my son on 2 races then he was on his own. If you pushing your son to go faster it is unfair to the kids who are out on there own. I really love seeing the kids out racing. It is so good for the sport and its our future.

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Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:33:02 -0700
From: like2pedal@rocketmail.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker

I will be bringing both of my sons (9 and 10) to the Chainbreaker. one races, the other doesn't. neither do i (for now..) but i DO need to be on the course making sure the one that does race, stays safe. will there be any other parents out there with kids that my younger son hang out with until the racer boy and i return? My younger son is 9. he is really into Star Wars at the moment.

thank you,
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Like toPedal

2009-05-06

I will be bringing both of my sons (9 and 10) to the Chainbreaker. one races, the other doesn't. neither do i (for now..) but i DO need to be on the course making sure the one that does race, stays safe. will there be any other parents out there with kids that my younger son hang out with until the racer boy and i return? My younger son is 9. he is really into Star Wars at the moment.

thank you,
Eric

Mark Reinecke

2006-05-16

With that slot to Ironman Hawaii last year, Larsen individually raised
something like 10 or 15 thousand dollars for the Challenged Athletes
Foundation. I don't think that effort had much to do with mitochondrial DNA
or sandbagging.

on 5/16/06 10:44 AM, Joe Tysoe at jtysoe@standard.com wrote:

> There was a similar controversy last summer when Steve raced the 1/2
> Vineman Triathlon in Napa as an "age-grouper" vs. pro and came in second
> overall to Tim DeBoom a former Ironman Hawaii champ, and beat Peter
> Reid, the (then) current Ironman Hawaii champ.
>
> He raced in the "age-group" category to get a slot to IM Hawaii; some
> feel he took a slot away from a true age-group amatuer athlete.
>
> As I see it, the crux of the matter here is that there is a threshold,
> when a pro retires when is he/she allowed to start racing amateur? Steve
> hasn't been retired that long from racing at the highest levels of
> sport. I think a person could make a reasonable argument that he should
> be racing pro.
>
> In a few years if he is truly training an hour a day then he should
> downgrade.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Schreck, George
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:00 AM
> To: Long, Steve; Doug Evans; Chris Brandt; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker
>
>
> This does not seem like a big deal. If he raced outside his category,
> all that need to be done is to DQ him and eliminate him from the
> results. That should get his attention and stop others from doing the
> same.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Long, Steve
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:56 AM
> To: Doug Evans; Chris Brandt; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker
>
> Well please, and doesn't it seem odd for a person to say that they don't
> spend twenty hours a week on a bike and say in another breath that they
> haven't done a ride longer than an hour... I'm thinking it's pretty
> darned hard to get anything over seven hours a week unless you ride for
> a hour, take a break, ride for another hour, repeat.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Doug Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:49 AM
> To: Chris Brandt; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker
>
> Is he the same Steve Larsen as in these results from the Sea Otter last
> year? If so, I would say that questioning his integrity is legitimate.
>
> http://www.lindsey.edu/sports/cycling/2004-05/stats/041705seaotterclassi
> c.htm
>
> Doug Evans
> Finance Application Lead
> Springbrook Software
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> www.springbrooksoftware.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris Brandt
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:39 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker
>
> I was on the front row. I looked back to see Steve there and glanced
> down at his yellow "expert" plate. Kind of surprised, I asked him if he
> was really racing expert? (At the same time, I did a quick scan
> once-over of his body to see if he had lost a limb recently or
> something). His reply was: "I retired 3 years ago. I haven't done any
> rides longer than an hour." I said, "aw c'mon... yer always a pro in my
> book".
>
> Shortly thereafter, the gun went off. All I saw after that was a big
> dust cloud.
>
> I don't know. At some point, we all retire and make some kind of
> transition to a more recreational level in the sport. Maybe he just
> hadn't realized that the transition hasn't happened yet, even though
> he's not really training. I don't think it's necessary to cut him down
> so harshly. He certainly inspired me to race back in the nat. champ days
> and I always thought it unfortunate that he had such bad luck leading up
> to the olympic selection. He was clearly the strongest rider in the US
> mtb scene.
>
> Yes, I agree it was odd to see him in the expert category. But aren't we
> allowed to downgrade when we taper back on the racing? Maybe he should
> have been semi-pro.
>
> Chris Brandt
>
> -----
> Re: Chainbreaker
> Date: 05/15/2006 09:37 PM
> From: Curt Dewees I don't know Steve Larsen
> personally, but I did get to watch him whoosh past me like I was
> standing still on the bike leg of the 2002 Pacific Crest Triathlon. (I
> was just doing the Duathlon, which is the only way I got to be in front
> of him to begin with.) He did look pretty darned fast at the time, and
> he went on to win that race hands down.
>
> Has anyone heard his side of the story? Is is possible that there is a
> legitimate reason why he ended up racing in the "wrong" class? Did he
> show up too late for his scheduled race? Was there a screw up in
> pre-registration? Did he just get misdirected at the start line by a
> confused volunteer?
>
> Who knows; there may (possibly) be a reasonable explanation for this
> incident, one not deserving of current volume of wit and ridicule being
> heaped upon Mr. Larson. I hope so.
>
>
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Mark Reinecke

2006-05-16

on 5/16/06 10:44 AM, Joe Tysoe at jtysoe@standard.com wrote:

> There was a similar controversy last summer when Steve raced the 1/2
> Vineman Triathlon in Napa as an "age-grouper" vs. pro and came in second
> overall to Tim DeBoom a former Ironman Hawaii champ, and beat Peter
> Reid, the (then) current Ironman Hawaii champ.
>
> He raced in the "age-group" category to get a slot to IM Hawaii; some
> feel he took a slot away from a true age-group amatuer athlete.
>
> As I see it, the crux of the matter here is that there is a threshold,
> when a pro retires when is he/she allowed to start racing amateur? Steve
> hasn't been retired that long from racing at the highest levels of
> sport. I think a person could make a reasonable argument that he should
> be racing pro.
>
> In a few years if he is truly training an hour a day then he should
> downgrade.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Schreck, George
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:00 AM
> To: Long, Steve; Doug Evans; Chris Brandt; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker
>
>
> This does not seem like a big deal. If he raced outside his category,
> all that need to be done is to DQ him and eliminate him from the
> results. That should get his attention and stop others from doing the
> same.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Long, Steve
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:56 AM
> To: Doug Evans; Chris Brandt; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker
>
> Well please, and doesn't it seem odd for a person to say that they don't
> spend twenty hours a week on a bike and say in another breath that they
> haven't done a ride longer than an hour... I'm thinking it's pretty
> darned hard to get anything over seven hours a week unless you ride for
> a hour, take a break, ride for another hour, repeat.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Doug Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:49 AM
> To: Chris Brandt; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker
>
> Is he the same Steve Larsen as in these results from the Sea Otter last
> year? If so, I would say that questioning his integrity is legitimate.
>
> http://www.lindsey.edu/sports/cycling/2004-05/stats/041705seaotterclassi
> c.htm
>
> Doug Evans
> Finance Application Lead
> Springbrook Software
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris Brandt
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:39 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker
>
> I was on the front row. I looked back to see Steve there and glanced
> down at his yellow "expert" plate. Kind of surprised, I asked him if he
> was really racing expert? (At the same time, I did a quick scan
> once-over of his body to see if he had lost a limb recently or
> something). His reply was: "I retired 3 years ago. I haven't done any
> rides longer than an hour." I said, "aw c'mon... yer always a pro in my
> book".
>
> Shortly thereafter, the gun went off. All I saw after that was a big
> dust cloud.
>
> I don't know. At some point, we all retire and make some kind of
> transition to a more recreational level in the sport. Maybe he just
> hadn't realized that the transition hasn't happened yet, even though
> he's not really training. I don't think it's necessary to cut him down
> so harshly. He certainly inspired me to race back in the nat. champ days
> and I always thought it unfortunate that he had such bad luck leading up
> to the olympic selection. He was clearly the strongest rider in the US
> mtb scene.
>
> Yes, I agree it was odd to see him in the expert category. But aren't we
> allowed to downgrade when we taper back on the racing? Maybe he should
> have been semi-pro.
>
> Chris Brandt
>
> -----
> Re: Chainbreaker
> Date: 05/15/2006 09:37 PM
> From: Curt Dewees I don't know Steve Larsen
> personally, but I did get to watch him whoosh past me like I was
> standing still on the bike leg of the 2002 Pacific Crest Triathlon. (I
> was just doing the Duathlon, which is the only way I got to be in front
> of him to begin with.) He did look pretty darned fast at the time, and
> he went on to win that race hands down.
>
> Has anyone heard his side of the story? Is is possible that there is a
> legitimate reason why he ended up racing in the "wrong" class? Did he
> show up too late for his scheduled race? Was there a screw up in
> pre-registration? Did he just get misdirected at the start line by a
> confused volunteer?
>
> Who knows; there may (possibly) be a reasonable explanation for this
> incident, one not deserving of current volume of wit and ridicule being
> heaped upon Mr. Larson. I hope so.
>
>
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With that slot to Ironman Hawaii last year, Larsen individually raised
something like 10 or 15 thousand dollars for the Challenged Athletes
Foundation. I don't think that effort had much to do with mitochondrial DNA
or sandbagging.

Lisa Winchester

2006-05-16

This reminds me of that movie, "12 Angry Men".

Subject: Re: Chainbreaker
Date: 05/16/2006 09:59 AM
From: Schreck, George
This does not seem like a big deal. If he raced outside his category, all that need to be done is to DQ him and eliminate him from the results. That should get his attention and stop others from doing the same.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Long, Steve
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:56 AM
To: Doug Evans; Chris Brandt; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker

Well please, and doesn't it seem odd for a person to say that they don't
spend twenty hours a week on a bike and say in another breath that they haven't done a ride longer than an hour...
I'm thinking it's pretty darned hard to get anything over seven hours a week unless you ride for a hour, take a break, ride for another hour, repeat.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Doug Evans
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:49 AM
To: Chris Brandt; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker

Is he the same Steve Larsen as in these results from the Sea Otter last year? If so, I would say that questioning his integrity is legitimate.

http://www.lindsey.edu/sports/cycling/2004-05/stats/041705seaotterclassic.htm

Doug Evans
Finance Application Lead
Springbrook Software
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503-820-4537 - Fax
www.springbrooksoftware.com

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Brandt
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:39 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker

I was on the front row. I looked back to see Steve there and glanced down at his yellow "expert" plate. Kind of surprised, I asked him if he was really racing expert? (At the same time, I did a quick scan once-over of his body to see if he had lost a limb recently or something). His reply was: "I retired 3 years ago. I haven't done any rides longer than an hour." I said, "aw c'mon... yer always a pro in my book".

Shortly thereafter, the gun went off. All I saw after that was a big dust cloud.

I don't know. At some point, we all retire and make some kind of transition to a more recreational level in the sport. Maybe he just hadn't realized that the transition hasn't happened yet, even though he's not really training. I don't think it's necessary to cut him down so harshly. He certainly inspired me to race back in the nat. champ days and I always thought it unfortunate that he had such bad luck leading up to the olympic selection. He was clearly the strongest rider in the US mtb scene.

Yes, I agree it was odd to see him in the expert category. But aren't we allowed to downgrade when we taper back on the racing? Maybe he should have been semi-pro.

Chris Brandt

-----
Re: Chainbreaker
Date: 05/15/2006 09:37 PM
From: Curt Dewees I don't know Steve Larsen
personally, but I did get to watch him whoosh past me like I was standing still on the bike leg of the 2002 Pacific Crest Triathlon. (I was just doing the Duathlon, which is the only way I got to be in front of him to begin with.) He did look pretty darned fast at the time, and he went on to win that race hands down.

Has anyone heard his side of the story? Is is possible that there is a legitimate reason why he ended up racing in the "wrong" class? Did he show up too late for his scheduled race? Was there a screw up in pre-registration? Did he just get misdirected at the start line by a confused volunteer?

Who knows; there may (possibly) be a reasonable explanation for this incident, one not deserving of current volume of wit and ridicule being heaped upon Mr. Larson. I hope so.

Tina and Kirk Willett

2006-05-16

In my experience, most people overestimate the number of weekly/monthly
training hours it takes to perform close to their potential.

Perhaps Steve honestly underestimated his fitness.

Kirk

Todd.Dye@CH2M.com

2006-05-16

Yeah...but who has ever heard of any of those other guys that came in
behind him ;-)

Men

8 Steve Larsen (Cytosports)
9 Seamus Mcgrath (Haro Bicycles)
15 Ryan Trebon (Kona Lesgets Factory Team)
16 Bart Brentjens (Giant Racing Team)
18 Roland Green (Kona Lesgets Factory Team)
22 Barry Wicks (Kona Lesgets Factory Team)

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Doug Evans
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:49 AM
To: Chris Brandt; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker

Is he the same Steve Larsen as in these results from the Sea Otter last
year? If so, I would say that questioning his integrity is legitimate.

http://www.lindsey.edu/sports/cycling/2004-05/stats/041705seaotterclassi
c.htm

Doug Evans
Finance Application Lead
Springbrook Software
866-777-0069 - Toll-free support
503-820-4537 - Fax
www.springbrooksoftware.com

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Brandt
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:39 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker

I was on the front row. I looked back to see Steve there and glanced
down at his yellow "expert" plate. Kind of surprised, I asked him if he
was really racing expert? (At the same time, I did a quick scan
once-over of his body to see if he had lost a limb recently or
something). His reply was: "I retired 3 years ago. I haven't done any
rides longer than an hour." I said, "aw c'mon... yer always a pro in my
book".

Shortly thereafter, the gun went off. All I saw after that was a big
dust cloud.

I don't know. At some point, we all retire and make some kind of
transition to a more recreational level in the sport. Maybe he just
hadn't realized that the transition hasn't happened yet, even though
he's not really training. I don't think it's necessary to cut him down
so harshly. He certainly inspired me to race back in the nat. champ days
and I always thought it unfortunate that he had such bad luck leading up
to the olympic selection. He was clearly the strongest rider in the US
mtb scene.

Yes, I agree it was odd to see him in the expert category. But aren't we
allowed to downgrade when we taper back on the racing? Maybe he should
have been semi-pro.

Chris Brandt

-----
Re: Chainbreaker
Date: 05/15/2006 09:37 PM
From: Curt Dewees I don't know Steve Larsen
personally, but I did get to watch him whoosh past me like I was
standing still on the bike leg of the 2002 Pacific Crest Triathlon. (I
was just doing the Duathlon, which is the only way I got to be in front
of him to begin with.) He did look pretty darned fast at the time, and
he went on to win that race hands down.

Has anyone heard his side of the story? Is is possible that there is a
legitimate reason why he ended up racing in the "wrong" class? Did he
show up too late for his scheduled race? Was there a screw up in
pre-registration? Did he just get misdirected at the start line by a
confused volunteer?

Who knows; there may (possibly) be a reasonable explanation for this
incident, one not deserving of current volume of wit and ridicule being
heaped upon Mr. Larson. I hope so.

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Joe Tysoe

2006-05-16

There was a similar controversy last summer when Steve raced the 1/2
Vineman Triathlon in Napa as an "age-grouper" vs. pro and came in second
overall to Tim DeBoom a former Ironman Hawaii champ, and beat Peter
Reid, the (then) current Ironman Hawaii champ.

He raced in the "age-group" category to get a slot to IM Hawaii; some
feel he took a slot away from a true age-group amatuer athlete.

As I see it, the crux of the matter here is that there is a threshold,
when a pro retires when is he/she allowed to start racing amateur? Steve
hasn't been retired that long from racing at the highest levels of
sport. I think a person could make a reasonable argument that he should
be racing pro.

In a few years if he is truly training an hour a day then he should
downgrade.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Schreck, George
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:00 AM
To: Long, Steve; Doug Evans; Chris Brandt; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker

This does not seem like a big deal. If he raced outside his category,
all that need to be done is to DQ him and eliminate him from the
results. That should get his attention and stop others from doing the
same.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Long, Steve
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:56 AM
To: Doug Evans; Chris Brandt; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Chainbreaker

Well please, and doesn't it seem odd for a person to say that they don't
spend twenty hours a week on a bike and say in another breath that they
haven't done a ride longer than an hour... I'm thinking it's pretty
darned hard to get anything over seven hours a week unless you ride for
a hour, take a break, ride for another hour, repeat.