PIR & Cat 3/4/5's

Don Person

2001-02-25

I think IF we were to add a class in the MTB races it would be between the

expert and the sport categories (intermediate?) and have the more

"hardcore" sport racers move up.

That said, there are already a lot of MTB classes when you consider the age

groups within the pro/exp, sport and beginner.

The better solution to ease the start congestion would be to have gaps (or

longer gaps) between starts of each group and to have gaps between the age

groups within the categories.

Of course nothing is perfect as this may just have the faster racers

getting caught behind the slower riders of the group ahead of them.

-Don



 Greetings all!



Since we are stirring the pot, let me add to it...



What about a new class for the mountain crowd?

Something in between the the Beginners and the Sport

classes. Call it Novice. Race the same distances as

the Sports but more in line with a Beginners' racing

skills.



Might reduce some of the blood bath starts we've seen

as 50-60 Sports jack-rabbit towards the singletrack.



Just a thought.



Donovan



Don Person

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Donovan Grabowski

2001-02-23

Greetings all!



Since we are stirring the pot, let me add to it...



What about a new class for the mountain crowd?

Something in between the the Beginners and the Sport

classes. Call it Novice. Race the same distances as

the Sports but more in line with a Beginners' racing

skills.



Might reduce some of the blood bath starts we've seen

as 50-60 Sports jack-rabbit towards the singletrack.



Just a thought.



Donovan



 




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Jeff Mitchem

2001-02-23

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Scott,

Thanks for your comments.

A few points of clarification might ease your pain.

- At PIR this year the categories will be Cat 4/5, Cat 3/4, Cat 1/2/3

- This change was made in response to comments received last year from Cat

5s and Cat 4s (the younger and slower among us) who thought they should have

a separate category. I agreed.

- Therefore, Cat 5 will not race with Cat 3.

- Cat 4 will have the choice to ride "up" with Cat 3 or "down" with Cat 5.

Historically, this is common.

- Cat 3 will have the choice to ride "up" with the Cat 1/2 or "down" with

Cat 4. Historically, this is also common.

- Choice is good.

- PIR has been run for 20+ years and has always offered more than two races

- last year was an exception due to low turn-out.

- The primary purpose of PIR is to provide an exceptionally safe venue for

racers to learn and get better. We have always taken the opportunity (and it

has been well supported) to allow some co-mingling of categories (within

safe parameters) to help the younger, lower category riders learn.



Thanks for your support,

-Jeff



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To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Giving cat 3's a choice is it bad????

Date: Fri, Feb 23, 2001, 5:54 AM





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don't remember so many races that gave cat 3 riders the choice of

riding with the 1/2/3 field or riding with the 4/5 field. at the cherry road

race, some guys in the 3/4/5 field were trying to put together a nice big

pace line. (about 15 or 20 deep) to catch the front pack, but all the 5's

who didn't know how to work a pace line, just sorta got in the way, and tore

it all apart. it might have just been me, but i think just having PIR 1/2/3

and 4/5 might be a better idea? wasn't that the way it was last year? i

don't want to put anyone down, i love cycling and love promoting the sport.

just keeping things on the even, or at least the same as last year might be

better. thanks for the thought and the time.



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Scott,<BR>

Thanks for your comments.<BR>

A few points of clarification might ease your pain.<BR>

- At PIR this year the categories will be Cat 4/5, Cat 3/4, Cat 1/2/3<BR>

- This change was made in response to comments received last year from Cat =

5s and Cat 4s (the younger and slower among us) who thought they should have=

a separate category. I agreed.<BR>

- Therefore, Cat 5 will not race with Cat 3.<BR>

- Cat 4 will have the choice to ride "up" with Cat 3 or "dow=

n" with Cat 5. Historically, this is common.<BR>

- Cat 3 will have the choice to ride "up" with the Cat 1/2 or &qu=

ot;down" with Cat 4. Historically, this is also common.<BR>

- Choice is good.<BR>

- PIR has been run for 20+ years and has always offered more than two races=

- last year was an exception due to low turn-out.<BR>

- The primary purpose of PIR is to provide an exceptionally safe venue for =

racers to learn and get better. We have always taken the opportunity (and it=

has been well supported) to allow some co-mingling of categories (within sa=

fe parameters) to help the younger, lower category riders learn.<BR>

<BR>

Thanks for your support,<BR>

-Jeff<BR>

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