RE: Giving cat 3's a choice ...

mmur-@teleport.com

2001-02-26

thomas morgan [mailto:thoma-@hotmail.com]wrote:



"why are most races 35+ for masters, yet a state championship races there

30+?)"



The default position, under USCF rules, for Masters racing is 30+. There is

no mention of a definition of Masters in the newly adopted OBRA rules.



Regardless of which set of rules is being followed, individual race

organizers have the option of defining Masters as they see fit to match

their program. From a race organizer's point of view the reason to have

Masters fields is twofold; to decompress the overlarge Cat 3/4/5 group and

to take advantage of the large demographic group of people in this age

range. There may also be some enlightened self interest since most

organizers are in the Masters age group.



For many events a Masters definition that is 35+ works best. This is not

always the case, for example the Monday Masters and Women PIR is 30+. Other

events have defined it at 40+. Traditionally the State Championships have

followed the categories that are offered at Nationals as much as they can

without getting the field sizes too small. Each race organizer can define it

as they wish.



As to the idea making life for new riders (Cat 5) easier, I am in full

agreement. Last year when I asked people about what kept them from going to

more events I received several comments from people that went to their first

race, generally a 4/5 field, and got blown out the back in short order.

They then concluded that they were not fit enough to be bike racers and

didn't come back. Usually I get blown out fairly quickly the first few

races of the year too but I have been doing this long enough to know that

eventually I will be going OK later in the season. Beginning riders do not

have the benefit of that experience. I think if we want the sport to grow

it is essential that organizers try to offer some field that will be

accessible to the beginning racer. Let's have some more Cat 5 only and Cat

4 women races.



Mike Murray



Simpson, Devin (AFS)

2001-02-24



Greetings,



After reading these posts over the last couple days it seems that

the cherry pie 3/4/5 field was larger than normal? As this was my first

race I have nothing to compare it to nor did I have any clue what to expect

as far as riding in a pack. I would imagine this goes for any first timer.





Cat 3 riders' having the choice to ride with us seems to be double

edged. We get a chance to ride with some faster more experienced riders,

(this seems a plus to me). Although as another rider said if a 3 rides with

us they should expect 4/5 riders to ride... well like 4/5 riders. Honestly

I was discouraged to read the post about a cat 3 being hindered by us cat

5's. I for one will be the first to say I was not at all comfortable in that

pack for the first lap and a half (if at all). I was gripping my bars so

hard my hands fell asleep, the first time I heard SLOWING yelled out and the

pack stacked up like that I about dropped one, I suspect this is normal for

a first race. I fully support having 3's ride with us but please if you

choose so, do your part for the sport and help us out by showing us the

ropes and keep in mind you had to be down here at one time or another

yourself. With this assistance more riders will advance, and the sport will

continue to grow and bring in new riders like myself.



I must say though, this is the most exciting sport I have ever

tried, what an incredible feeling... I am hooked baby, see you at the

Banana Belt.



Devin Simpson

Flying Zucchini Brothers









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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 12:52 AM

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Hey all,

    I am a cat 3 and have to admit I do enjoy having choices in which races

I do (quick side note: why are most races 35+ for masters, yet a state

championship races there 30+?), I had another point of view that I think

should be looked at. That is the point of view of the Cat 5 racer. I did

read the review of the person who did there first race this weekend in the

3,4,5 field and the fact that they had a good experience shows he was quite

fit. I know when I was a cat 5 and first started racing just finishing in

the 5's was a challange. And I was just thinking that if I had gone to my

first race and been thrown in a 80+ person field with cat 3's I probally

would have been shelled really quickly and became discouraged, and may not

have gotten into racing to the extent I have. So anyway, my thought is that



there should always be a just cat 5 field, if the promoters want they can

give the 5's a choice they could do 5's or race with the 3's or 4's. But,

since cat 5 is where everybody (well all men) start out I think it is

important that a beginers first races are a good experience so that they

will keep coming back and the sport will continue to grow.



Keep spinning

Tom

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thomas morgan

2001-02-24

Hey all,

    I am a cat 3 and have to admit I do enjoy having choices in which races

I do (quick side note: why are most races 35+ for masters, yet a state

championship races there 30+?), I had another point of view that I think

should be looked at. That is the point of view of the Cat 5 racer. I did

read the review of the person who did there first race this weekend in the

3,4,5 field and the fact that they had a good experience shows he was quite

fit. I know when I was a cat 5 and first started racing just finishing in

the 5's was a challange. And I was just thinking that if I had gone to my

first race and been thrown in a 80+ person field with cat 3's I probally

would have been shelled really quickly and became discouraged, and may not

have gotten into racing to the extent I have. So anyway, my thought is that

there should always be a just cat 5 field, if the promoters want they can

give the 5's a choice they could do 5's or race with the 3's or 4's. But,

since cat 5 is where everybody (well all men) start out I think it is

important that a beginers first races are a good experience so that they

will keep coming back and the sport will continue to grow.



Keep spinning

Tom

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