dogs at races?

Keith A. Prior

2005-06-08



Speaking of that Merckx crash did you happen to ever see that compilation

DVD

that World Cycling Productions put out called "CRASH". A rather gruesome

collection

of crash clips from the past 30 or so years. Hosted by Bob Roll who was so

amped up

on coffee you could seee him twitching even at a 30 frame per second video

rate! hehehe



"The horrorrrrr"

-M. Brando



-Keith





-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:27 AM

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Has anyone else seen the footage of Merckx racing over a dog on the

Champs-Elysees in the tour?



-----Original Message-----

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I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death at some point......but

what's the conventional wisdom for bringing dogs to races?



I love dogs. wish I had one. but I'd leave it at home.



I saw one dog try to eat a fluffy little dog at the Chainbreaker. And

then just as that was going on...a guy opened the back of his car and

two more dogs jumped out to join the melee. nice.



I saw an unattended big black dog tied to a big brown van at Pickett's

lunge at a small girl and try to bite her....kid started bawling because



the dog succeeded and/or scared the crap out of her.



saw at least a couple of dogs off leash at Pickett's also.



given the inherent amount of stress that comes with races in

general...why add to the chaos?



eric

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brian-cc

2005-06-08



There is no doubt that I humanize my dog. And, yes, I am amazing.



Brian



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 it is amazing what we will let kids do and when an animal does

the same thing how fast they are to be criticized...



Perhaps almost as amazing is the way some people tend to exaggerate, not

to

mention humanize animals.



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Schreck, George

2005-06-08



For some people they are equivalent, like it nor not. There are

emotional ties to both, and in that area, it is difficult to measure one

against the other. Outside of the emotional area, I think we all

recognize the distinction.



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 it is amazing what we will let kids do and when an animal does

the same thing how fast they are to be criticized...



Perhaps almost as amazing is the way some people tend to exaggerate, not

to

mention humanize animals.



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2005-06-08





 it is amazing what we will let kids do and when an animal does

the same thing how fast they are to be criticized...



Perhaps almost as amazing is the way some people tend to exaggerate, not to

mention humanize animals.



shane.-@comcast.net

2005-06-08





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While we are at it, can we ask that people not bring their small children that are running around screaming unattended, that sometimes run out on the course, touch everything, take things that aren't theirs and start yelling when the day has been too long for them and they want to go home...



I am sorry, that was a bit tongue and cheek but no less true... My point is that it really has to do with the owners... of both the dogs and children... it is amazing what we will let kids do and when an animal does the same thing how fast they are to be criticized...



I like to think that my little one (dog) is well behaved and I can bring her to races... She is 11 years old and for the most part shows very little interest in others after she has had a short walk before the race.



I have to agree with Eric by saying I have seen many badly behaved dogs at the races, but I have also seen a greater amount of well-behaved dogs. I think that we need to hold the owners more accountable, not the dogs. Yes, at races dogs should be leashed, and no a retractable leash is not acceptable. If your dog has shown aggressive tendency in the past, please don't bring them to an event with lots of unknowns, this only puts them on guard more. But I don?t agree with a blanket statement of not bring your pet.

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 Or better still, said dog is off-leash and enters onto the race course.

Or worse, is on one of those self-retracting leashes, crosses the course

and clotheslines 30 riders.



I love dogs of all sizes. I'd never take one to a bike race where there

are hundreds of people on bikes triggering his chase instinct. Poor

thing.



Nearly every city has a leash law, and it needs to be enforced in these

situations. It should be well within the organizer's rights to ask

people to leave whose dogs are a disturbance. That said, organizers

have enough to think about without having to be dog marshalls as well.

Perhaps a couple of strategically-placed signs asking spectators to keep

dogs on-leash and off-course or they will be asked to leave may do the

trick.



My $0.02

-Joel



 -----Original Message-----

From: bikemecca.com [mailto:er-@bikemecca.com]

Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:29 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] dogs at races?



I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death at some

point......but what's the conventional wisdom for bringing

dogs to races?



I love dogs. wish I had one. but I'd leave it at home.



I saw one dog try to eat a fluffy little dog at the

Chainbreaker. And then just as that was going on...a guy

opened the back of his car and two more dogs jumped out to

join the melee. nice.



I saw an unattended big black dog tied to a big brown van at

Pickett's lunge at a small girl and try to bite her....kid

started bawling because the dog succeeded and/or scared the

crap out of her.



saw at least a couple of dogs off leash at Pickett's also.



given the inherent amount of stress that comes with races in

general...why add to the chaos?



eric

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Eric Kytola

2005-06-08



Has anyone else seen the footage of Merckx racing over a dog on the

Champs-Elysees in the tour?



-----Original Message-----

From: bikemecca.com [mailto:er-@bikemecca.com]

Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:29 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] dogs at races?



I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death at some point......but

what's the conventional wisdom for bringing dogs to races?



I love dogs. wish I had one. but I'd leave it at home.



I saw one dog try to eat a fluffy little dog at the Chainbreaker. And

then just as that was going on...a guy opened the back of his car and

two more dogs jumped out to join the melee. nice.



I saw an unattended big black dog tied to a big brown van at Pickett's

lunge at a small girl and try to bite her....kid started bawling because



the dog succeeded and/or scared the crap out of her.



saw at least a couple of dogs off leash at Pickett's also.



given the inherent amount of stress that comes with races in

general...why add to the chaos?



eric

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Morrissette, Joel

2005-06-08



Or better still, said dog is off-leash and enters onto the race course.

Or worse, is on one of those self-retracting leashes, crosses the course

and clotheslines 30 riders.



I love dogs of all sizes. I'd never take one to a bike race where there

are hundreds of people on bikes triggering his chase instinct. Poor

thing.



Nearly every city has a leash law, and it needs to be enforced in these

situations. It should be well within the organizer's rights to ask

people to leave whose dogs are a disturbance. That said, organizers

have enough to think about without having to be dog marshalls as well.

Perhaps a couple of strategically-placed signs asking spectators to keep

dogs on-leash and off-course or they will be asked to leave may do the

trick.



My $0.02

-Joel



 -----Original Message-----

From: bikemecca.com [mailto:er-@bikemecca.com]

Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:29 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] dogs at races?



I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death at some

point......but what's the conventional wisdom for bringing

dogs to races?



I love dogs. wish I had one. but I'd leave it at home.



I saw one dog try to eat a fluffy little dog at the

Chainbreaker. And then just as that was going on...a guy

opened the back of his car and two more dogs jumped out to

join the melee. nice.



I saw an unattended big black dog tied to a big brown van at

Pickett's lunge at a small girl and try to bite her....kid

started bawling because the dog succeeded and/or scared the

crap out of her.



saw at least a couple of dogs off leash at Pickett's also.



given the inherent amount of stress that comes with races in

general...why add to the chaos?



eric

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Michael.-@CH2M.com

2005-06-08



I love dogs too and I have a medium big dog that would love to eat a few

little fluffy ones. :)



Our dog STAYS HOME during biking events.



Michael



-----Original Message-----

From: bikemecca.com [mailto:er-@bikemecca.com]

Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:29 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] dogs at races?



I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death at some point......but

what's the conventional wisdom for bringing dogs to races?



I love dogs. wish I had one. but I'd leave it at home.



I saw one dog try to eat a fluffy little dog at the Chainbreaker. And

then just as that was going on...a guy opened the back of his car and

two more dogs jumped out to join the melee. nice.



I saw an unattended big black dog tied to a big brown van at Pickett's

lunge at a small girl and try to bite her....kid started bawling because



the dog succeeded and/or scared the crap out of her.



saw at least a couple of dogs off leash at Pickett's also.



given the inherent amount of stress that comes with races in

general...why add to the chaos?



eric

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Eric C.

2005-06-08



I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death at some point......but

what's the conventional wisdom for bringing dogs to races?



I love dogs. wish I had one. but I'd leave it at home.



I saw one dog try to eat a fluffy little dog at the Chainbreaker. And

then just as that was going on...a guy opened the back of his car and

two more dogs jumped out to join the melee. nice.



I saw an unattended big black dog tied to a big brown van at Pickett's

lunge at a small girl and try to bite her....kid started bawling because

the dog succeeded and/or scared the crap out of her.



saw at least a couple of dogs off leash at Pickett's also.



given the inherent amount of stress that comes with races in

general...why add to the chaos?



eric

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