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I think many race organizers, and I suspect you are one of them, feel that
there will be less participation if there are fewer or no prizes. The
evidence shows otherwise. If you look at race attendance numbers there is
no correlation between them and the size of the prize list. In addition, if
you look at most other sports you will see that the vast majority of
competitors are never competing for anything of any monetary value. How
many softball players expect that they will get a cash prize for winning a
game? If we took the organizational energy that we currently put into
developing prize lists into publicizing events and organizing events so that
they are more attractive to the potential customer I think we would see a
much bigger return in participation.
I fully agree with the idea of keeping race entry fees as low as possible
however there are more costs then just insurance and I think it is
reasonable to expect that even in Cat 5 the entry fee will cover most of
them.
Mike Murray
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Beall [mailto:peteb-@home.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 23:40 PM
To: mmur-@teleport.com; OBRA Remailer
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Car V race rules?
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Mike,
I never did go along with the concept of Cat V, and the Twin Rivers
Classic spanned the inception of Cat V. Limiting prizes based on category
other than cat V, I think would really reduce motivation [Cat 4/5 races to
medals, ribbons, etc. (items of minimal economic value), Cat 3 races limited
to merchandise and Pro/Cat 1/2 races may receive cash].
If our goal is to get new riders into the sport, how about this: Cat
V riders race for payment of insurance fees and aren?t eligible for prizes
of commercial value. Promoters? lose the gain from the entry fee, but aren?t
out anything in prizes. When the rider moves up, they will then be paying
their portion of officials, signs, etc. This is the only way I can conceive
of Cat V being a benefit, and I would certainly leave the final decision up
to the promoter.
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From: <mmur-@teleport.com>
To: "OBRA Remailer" <ob-@topica.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Car V race rules?
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> OBRA does not have a similar rule limiting prizes for Cat 5. I
personally
> would be in favor of a rule that limited Cat 4/5 races to medals,
ribbons,
> etc. (items of minimal economic value), Cat 3 races limited to
merchandise
> and Pro/Cat 1/2 races may receive cash. The race designation would be
by
> the fastest category in the race, e.g. riders in a Cat 2/3 could win
cash.
> What does everyone else think?
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pete Beall [mailto:peteb-@home.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 16:18 PM
> To: ob-@topica.com
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Car V race rules?
>
>
>
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think many race organizers, and I suspect you are one of them, feel that =
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will be less participation if there are fewer or no prizes. The =
evidence=20
shows otherwise. If you look at race attendance numbers there is =
no=20
correlation between them and the size of the prize list. In =
addition, if=20
you look at most other sports you will see that the vast majority of =
competitors=20
are never competing for anything of any monetary value. How many =
softball=20
players expect that they will get a cash prize for winning a game? If we =
took=20
the organizational energy that we currently put into =
developing prize lists=20
into publicizing events and organizing events so that they are more =
attractive=20
to the potential customer I think we would see a much bigger return in=20
participation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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fully agree with the idea of keeping race entry fees as low as possible =
however=20
there are more costs then just insurance and I think it is reasonable to =
expect=20
that even in Cat 5 the entry fee will cover most of =
them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3D2>Mike Murray </FONT></P>
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<DIV><BR> I never did go along with the =
concept of Cat=20
V, and the Twin Rivers Classic spanned the inception of Cat V. =
Limiting prizes=20
based on category other than cat V, I think would really reduce =
motivation=20
[Cat 4/5 races to medals, ribbons, etc. (items of minimal economic =
value), Cat=20
3 races limited to merchandise and Pro/Cat 1/2 races may receive =
cash].</DIV>
<DIV><BR> If our goal is to get new riders =
into the=20
sport, how about this: Cat V riders race for payment of insurance fees =
and=20
aren’t eligible for prizes of commercial value. Promoters’ =
lose the gain from=20
the entry fee, but aren’t out anything in prizes. When the rider =
moves up,=20
they will then be paying their portion of officials, signs, etc. This =
is the=20
only way I can conceive of Cat V being a benefit, and I would =
certainly leave=20
the final decision up to the promoter.</FONT></DIV>
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February 27, 2001=20
10:08 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff>Subject: RE: [OBRA =
Chat] Car V=20
race rules?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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OBRA does not have a similar rule limiting prizes for Cat 5. I=20
personally<BR>> would be in favor of a rule that limited Cat 4/5 =
races to=20
medals, ribbons,<BR>> etc. (items of minimal economic value), Cat 3 =
races=20
limited to merchandise<BR>> and Pro/Cat 1/2 races may receive =
cash. =20
The race designation would be by<BR>> the fastest category in the =
race,=20
e.g. riders in a Cat 2/3 could win cash.<BR>> What does everyone =
else=20
think?<BR>> <BR>> Mike Murray<BR>> <BR>> -----Original=20
Message-----<BR>> From: Pete Beall =
[mailto:peteb-@home.com]<BR>>=20
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