cash prizes/categories et al....

Jonathan Puskas

2001-03-01

I was wondering if Candi/Mike could provide the

demographics of the typical Oregon Cat I/II?



I would hypothesize that unless they are under 23, it

is unlikely that they are realistic in the expectation

of a significant professional cycling career. If

someone is 35 and racing as a Cat II, that simply

means they are an awesome bike racer...is this reason

enough for significantly higher prize lists?



As an endurance triathlete, the top 5% in any Ironman

are "given" the opportunity to compete in

Hawaii...this "honor" generally costs them thousands

of dollars, yet it is readily accepted. Most World

Class Age Group triathletes (anyone who is not Pro)

receive little/no financial compensation, yet they pay

higher entry fees and compete nevertheless for the

sake of improvement/self-satisfaction...I would argue

that the majority of our local Cat I/IIs are similar

in their dedication. BTW, judging by the

demographics/professional backgrounds of most

Ironletes, I would argue that it IS possible to work a

full-time job and still train between 20-24 hours per

week which should be enough to race as a Cat

I/II...shouldn't it?



Is there a lot more money to be made racing in

Washington? If so, why don't all of our riders make

the 3 hour drive every weekend and "make hay while the

sun is shining?" In addition, isn't there a

difference between a National Class Pro-I/II Event

(Cascade, TOW, Redlands, Cactus Cup) and a local race?

I doubt a $10,000 purse is going to get Cox/Atlanta

Velo to fly to Oregon to race at the Banana Belt.



Basically, I would argue that most cyclists

(regardless of Amateur Category) choose to race for

fun, challenge and with a few exceptions for "peak

races," generally want to race close to home and have

balance in their lives. The money prizes as a

motivator argument seems suspect in such an

environment.



Finally, I disagree with the perception that every

racer should aspire to be a Cat I/II. Rather, I think

each should aspire to reach their personal potential

within the limits they've chosen to accept. If

someone only has 10-12 hours per week (due to

professional, family obligations, or other interests),

I don't believe they are "sandbagging" when they

choose to enjoy racing as a Cat. III.



Just the mid-day rantings of a "sandbagging" Cat III.

I welcome further dialogue.



Cheers,

Jonathan C. Puskas

Torani/NW Velo



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I think a lot of people are overlooking one of the

points Bravard made,

which is perhaps limiting the cash/merchandise to

the higher categories.

While I agree with the majority of other people that

have participated in

this discussion, in that prizes do not effect race

participation, I must

disagree with this point when relating it to the

Pro,1,2 categories. Cash

prize and race participation in the 1,2 categories

are clearly associated

with one another....try running the AVC or Cascade

with a $300 prize purse,

and I doubt you will see riders from around the

country booking flights into

PDX to race those races. The reason? They are trying

to make a living

racing, and getting $200(if that) a month from Jelly

Belly (whatever small

pro team) just isn't cutting it. The same, to an

extent, is true for the

non-pro local rider who is trying to be a pro, and

instead of focusing on

work and money is focusing on training and racing.

      Increasing the prize list to a decent level

would also, in my opinion,

attract more Washington riders. It has come to the

point in Oregon where the

size of the 1,2 fields is almost a joke. While I do

not think that people

not winning cash has anything to do with the small

amount of Oregon 1,2's, I

do think an increased prize list for the 1,2's would

attract Washington

riders and perhaps lure some sandbagging Cat. 3's

into getting their

upgrades. All and all, I think a prize list that was

focused on the Pro,1,2

races can help create a "focus point" of racing if

you will. Making the 1,2

race a "focus point" of racing would create, what

Clark Natwick calls, "An

athlete pipeline" and encourage all riders to

upgrade and move up to higher

categories, which should be a major goal of riders,

OBRA and racer

organizers.

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I think a lot of people are overlooking one of the points Bravard made,

which is perhaps limiting the cash/merchandise to the higher categories.

While I agree with the majority of other people that have participated in

this discussion, in that prizes do not effect race participation, I must

disagree with this point when relating it to the Pro,1,2 categories. Cash

prize and race participation in the 1,2 categories are clearly associated

with one another....try running the AVC or Cascade with a $300 prize purse,

and I doubt you will see riders from around the country booking flights into

PDX to race those races. The reason? They are trying to make a living

racing, and getting $200(if that) a month from Jelly Belly (whatever small

pro team) just isn't cutting it. The same, to an extent, is true for the

non-pro local rider who is trying to be a pro, and instead of focusing on

work and money is focusing on training and racing.

     Increasing the prize list to a decent level would also, in my opinion,

attract more Washington riders. It has come to the point in Oregon where the

size of the 1,2 fields is almost a joke. While I do not think that people

not winning cash has anything to do with the small amount of Oregon 1,2's, I

do think an increased prize list for the 1,2's would attract Washington

riders and perhaps lure some sandbagging Cat. 3's into getting their

upgrades. All and all, I think a prize list that was focused on the Pro,1,2

races can help create a "focus point" of racing if you will. Making the 1,2

race a "focus point" of racing would create, what Clark Natwick calls, "An

athlete pipeline" and encourage all riders to upgrade and move up to higher

categories, which should be a major goal of riders, OBRA and racer

organizers.

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