Mike Murray

Bonnie wrote:



"It is unfortunate that my letter was carried over from the RBR without the

audience having seen the two weeks or so of posts that Mike had placed

referring to the OBRA model as as easy to duplicate as "making one phone

call and using one's home computer to print up memberships". Which just

simply not true."



The issue of having memberships and purchasing insurance, which is what was

referenced in the above string, really is easy.   This takes us very little

time and could be done by anyone. Really! This is true! If you saw how

simple it was you would not believe it. Just call the insurance agent, send

the minimum premium and you are in business. Everything that OBRA does

would not be easy to duplicate. Candi and I do put a lot of time into the

other things.



Mike Murray

Peter Gierga

Hi Ian, Very well put and to the point. Now that the air is clear again from

whinning Hows it going? Not to old yet Peter.





 From: Ian & Ann Fuller <damp-@pond.net>

Reply-To: damp-@pond.net

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: In defense of....

Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:06:11 -0800









It is sad. The non-promoters complaining about the folks that help make

things happen. In my 45 years in bike racing I am still surprised to hear

the strident complaints of people like the Martins. Such whining almost

always comes from people that are NOT making things happen for the larger

community. Usually from little people that cannot see beyond their ego

enlarged noses. Me, me, me.   They rarely are the givers -- just takers.

And talkers.

         Let's hear about the Martins promoting a junior race series in

which

they can make oodles of money (as they suggest is there for the taking) and

their son can be a star and win all the races or, perhaps, be just another

rider competing and having fun.

         If they really want to help their son then perhaps setting a good

example of hard work, helping others, not complaining but pitching in to

solve problems and THANKING those that are doing the lion's share of the

work might be a good start. Quit being an embarrasment to your son and

everyone else.   I feel sorry for him.



     I have only the highest admiration and give thanks for people like the

Murrays. Oregon cycling would be the great looser were they not here.

Mike

and Candi, it's a shame you are subjected to this kind of piss ant, small

minded stuff.



     Sincerely, Ian Fuller (really old bike rider)



         PS. When I was 15 there were no junior races -- just senior men.

I

still had fun and had some pretty good races. When I was 16 I rode the

state road championship (in Calif) and was at the starting line with Jack

Disney, then National Champion! Come on.









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Ian & Ann Fuller

It is sad. The non-promoters complaining about the folks that help make

things happen. In my 45 years in bike racing I am still surprised to hear

the strident complaints of people like the Martins. Such whining almost

always comes from people that are NOT making things happen for the larger

community. Usually from little people that cannot see beyond their ego

enlarged noses. Me, me, me.   They rarely are the givers -- just takers.

And talkers.

        Let's hear about the Martins promoting a junior race series in which

they can make oodles of money (as they suggest is there for the taking) and

their son can be a star and win all the races or, perhaps, be just another

rider competing and having fun.

        If they really want to help their son then perhaps setting a good

example of hard work, helping others, not complaining but pitching in to

solve problems and THANKING those that are doing the lion's share of the

work might be a good start. Quit being an embarrasment to your son and

everyone else.   I feel sorry for him.



    I have only the highest admiration and give thanks for people like the

Murrays. Oregon cycling would be the great looser were they not here. Mike

and Candi, it's a shame you are subjected to this kind of piss ant, small

minded stuff.



    Sincerely, Ian Fuller (really old bike rider)



        PS. When I was 15 there were no junior races -- just senior men. I

still had fun and had some pretty good races. When I was 16 I rode the

state road championship (in Calif) and was at the starting line with Jack

Disney, then National Champion! Come on.