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BWitty

2005-10-05



Yes, the UCI does something for us. Primarily, they assist us losing money

:-)

Even with the great numbers we get here in portland, we break even at best

on these UCI races. And that is with Cannondale and River City Bicycles

generous sponsor dollars. I cannot imagine having to subsidize a UCI race

in someplace where the 'cross scene is not quite as fervant as ours.



On a serious note, the UCI tag does draw the biggest talent. If you want to

put on a "big show" race, it needs to be affiliated with the UCI. The races

are big and fun....and that is why we do it.







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can you say UCI. the non UCI cost for the junior race is $12. the UCI

junior is $20, some of that $20 goes to the UCI for all the work they do

for us? they do do work for us right?

Dan...

Hormann, Douglas J wrote:

 

You're not the only one Luciano. I was wondering the same thing. Can

someone explain the organization of cyclocross vs. other OBRA events so

we can understand the cost difference. I know there's insurance, etc. to

be paid; is it at a different rate for cyclocross events.?



   Doug Hormann





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Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cyclocross Classic- Sat

10/8



Maybe off topic but why are the Junior cross races so expensive with the



tremendous turnout for these events promoters would encourage junior

also

known as future racers by not making racing cost prohibitive. I could be



alone here but after bike shopping and race fees it is quite a leap for

an

eight to ten race season. I think my main concern is the future of

Oregon

racing if the juniors programs are not somehow subsidized. Just a

thought.



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cmur-@obra.org

2005-10-05



The permit for a UCI is multiple thousand of dollars, they import

officals that the race oranizers have to pay for. I believ that WADA is

coming and the Crusaders have to pick that expense also. Last year they

lost $5000 on this one day of racing only.



OBRA offers juniors free membership and most race discount the entry fee

by 50% or more. So this one race doesn't. Welcome to the real world.



I know it costs more, but it is a spectacular event, bring a lot of

notoriety to Oregon and our ccx scene. Come out and support it!

Candi



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From: dan davis [mailto:da-@preciseflight.com]

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can you say UCI. the non UCI cost for the junior race is $12. the UCI

junior is $20, some of that $20 goes to the UCI for all the work they do



for us? they do do work for us right?

Dan...

Hormann, Douglas J wrote:

 

You're not the only one Luciano. I was wondering the same thing. Can

someone explain the organization of cyclocross vs. other OBRA events

so

 we can understand the cost difference. I know there's insurance, etc.

to

 be paid; is it at a different rate for cyclocross events.?



   Doug Hormann





-----Original Message-----

From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:49 AM

To: bri-@halffastvelo.com; ob-@topica.com; nwcyc-@topica.com;

obra-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cyclocross Classic- Sat

10/8



Maybe off topic but why are the Junior cross races so expensive with

the

 

tremendous turnout for these events promoters would encourage junior

also

known as future racers by not making racing cost prohibitive. I could

be

 

alone here but after bike shopping and race fees it is quite a leap

for

 an

eight to ten race season. I think my main concern is the future of

Oregon

racing if the juniors programs are not somehow subsidized. Just a

thought.



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BWitty

2005-10-05



I won't bore everyone with the details of our budget. I will say that a

cyclocross race costs at least 2-3 times as much as a typical road race

(except maybe a stage race) to put on. Most of the additional costs are

venue related (course cost/ repairs/ etc). The insurance costs are a little

bit higher for MTB and cyclocross events- but that is not the reason for the

higher cost. We do our best to keep it affordable for everyone, especially

the juniors.





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You're not the only one Luciano. I was wondering the same thing. Can someone

explain the organization of cyclocross vs. other OBRA events so we can

understand the cost difference. I know there's insurance, etc. to be paid;

is it at a different rate for cyclocross events.?



Doug Hormann





-----Original Message-----

From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:49 AM

To: bri-@halffastvelo.com; ob-@topica.com; nwcyc-@topica.com;

obra-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cyclocross Classic- Sat 10/8



Maybe off topic but why are the Junior cross races so expensive with the

tremendous turnout for these events promoters would encourage junior also

known as future racers by not making racing cost prohibitive. I could be

alone here but after bike shopping and race fees it is quite a leap for an

eight to ten race season. I think my main concern is the future of Oregon

racing if the juniors programs are not somehow subsidized. Just a thought.



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