Schreck, George
I am supportive of targeted programs. I tend to be less supportive of subsidies for people who do not need them. I am very willing to contribute to those who are less advantaged to give them opportunities. I am less tolerant of giving broad based subsidies if the parents can afford to pay. I would rather see that money be used for the benefit of those who cannot pay. I do not think this is a discussion of whether or not we should help children. I think it is more in the nature of the best approach recognizing that there always will be limits in the funds available.
I do applaud the efforts you have made.
-----Original Message-----
From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:19 AM
To: Schreck, George; da-@preciseflight.com; ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cy
Well George it may be a matter of personal choice and background. I worked
for the LA Rec and parks for years and spent an equal amount of time
volunteering. For two decades even with children of my own I have spent
thousands of hours and dollars on other peoples kids. Some children are not
blessed enough to have active, productive, and most of all involved parents
at home. Least we forget cycling's extreme cost as compared to lets say
Hoops. That is why even as a youth my working parents could not afford the
sport beyond the bike. If it were not for local sports camps getting people
involved in alternative sports like fencing, tennis, cycling kids like
myself and oh yes Nelson Vails who attended these camps with me would never
seen olympic silver at least not in track cycling. One of my greatest
memories was throwing my own Hoops camps every summer for those who could
not afford the local camps given by NBA players. Finally the alternative is
scary urban kids left to there own choices, as prison space is on the rise,
intervention beyond our own doors is crucial, and is not just a subject to
throw money at. It takes time and personal commitment.
From: "Schreck, George" <George.-@PacifiCorp.com>
To: ride-@hotmail.com, da-@preciseflight.com, ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cy
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:24:11 -0700
Why can their parents not subsidize their racing. Why is this the role of
others. I do not begrudge some assistance and support those efforts, but
the parents need to be the primary people paying for their children's
endeavors. As it is, I already pay high property taxes and a Multnomah
income tax to support schools, and as a citizen I believe I should be
willing to do so. I also have no issue with providing some junior racing
support, but at some point, I look to the parents to support their children
and not expect others to do so. I realize it is a sacrifice for those
parents, but they chose to have children and everything that comes with it.
I made other choices for better or worse.
-----Original Message-----
From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:48 AM
To: da-@preciseflight.com; ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cy
My opinion on any governing body is the same there is enough revenue
generated by Adult racers to subsidize junior racing. Oregon could be the
next thing to the Olympic training grounds in Colorado if Oregon racers
start to embrace junior racing for it's true potential. I don't know about
you but watching Carson Miller beating up on adults is exciting and a
tribute to the future of the the sport (Sorry OLD GUYS).Let alone the
invaluble experience Kent Johnston brings to his kids as coach/active
racer.
If every racer who could afford it sponsored one junior racer that would
bring hundreds of juniors into a system that now struggles to field 100 at
any race. Compare that to euro racing where juniors and development
programs
are there most precious commodity. Thus the euro dominance of the sport in
almost all disciplines. No offense Lance,Levi, and the rest. Just another
thought.
From: dan davis <da-@preciseflight.com>
Reply-To: da-@preciseflight.com
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cy
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:29:47 +0000
can you say UCI. the non UCI cost for the junior race is $12. the UCI
junior is $20, some of that $20 goes to the UCI for all the work they do
for us? they do do work for us right?
Dan...
Hormann, Douglas J wrote:
You're not the only one Luciano. I was wondering the same thing. Can
someone explain the organization of cyclocross vs. other OBRA events
so
we can understand the cost difference. I know there's insurance, etc.
to
be paid; is it at a different rate for cyclocross events.?
Doug Hormann
-----Original Message-----
From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:49 AM
To: bri-@halffastvelo.com; ob-@topica.com; nwcyc-@topica.com;
obra-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cyclocross Classic- Sat
10/8
Maybe off topic but why are the Junior cross races so expensive with
the
tremendous turnout for these events promoters would encourage junior
also
known as future racers by not making racing cost prohibitive. I could
be
alone here but after bike shopping and race fees it is quite a leap
for
an
eight to ten race season. I think my main concern is the future of
Oregon
racing if the juniors programs are not somehow subsidized. Just a
thought.
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