This can be doubly beneficial: first, obviously, the kids get free or reduced entry.
Second, by working at races, they will see the headaches associated with putting on a race and will hopefully be a lot more appreciative of the efforts of the race promoters and more tolerant if certain "organizational challenges" (euphamism for something that rhymes with flustered duck) arise.
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I know that a good portion of the Bossen clan pay for their racing by
sticking around and cleaning up afterward. They raced the junior race
then waited 3+ hours to pick up cones and help put things away.
-----Original Message-----
From: Schreck, George [mailto:george.-@pacificorp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:50 PM
To: bra-@gmail.com; ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] junior racing
I would prefer to direct it to juniors who have no support due to their
parents limited financial circumstances and let the other families take
care of themselves. Of course, that is just me and there is no right or
wrong approach. I suppose the important thing is that we back up our
positions with actions. Under the circumstances, perhaps I need to look
for some racers that need support (All retired 50+ racers need not
apply).
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Cockman, DC [mailto:bra-@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:22 PM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] junior racing
I would pay $5 more per race myself to know that two juniors, who's
parent's may or may not have limited funds, got to race for cheaper,
maybe got really excited about bike racing and maybe one day became a
world champ. But that's just me.
Schreck, George wrote:
Brad, I do not want to get into a debate, but the decision to have
three
children is itself a choice and often means that there will be
limitations on what benefits can be provided to each child. I think
if
people want more children, they need to reflect on this issue and not
expect everyone to step up and subsidize their choice. I make choices
every day that affect my options and I have to live with them. I am
not
saying that they made the wrong decision. I am saying they made a
choice to spread a limited budget over more children, and that comes
with consequences. I would prefer to direct my charity to those
people
who are not so lucky as to have choices. Again, that is a personal
decision, and no reflection on supporting peoples children which I am
willing to do to a point.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Cockman, DC [mailto:bra-@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 11:47 AM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] junior racing
Since we're on the subject, myself and the Mount Bachelor Sport
Education Foundation (nee ski ed. foundation) are in the process of
establishing a junior road racing program. It will be a
pay-for-service
program like their ski programs in which the kids receive coaching as
well as travel and equipment deals, camps etc. The hope is that we
will
get a consistent program going and have a bunch of kids from C.O.
going
to OBRA as well as national and maybe one day international events.
This program will fit hand-in-hand with the MBSEF's effort to promote
junior development in other directions than just skiing and
snowboarding.
If anyone has any suggestions for me I would love to hear from you.
Regarding George's comment, yes it is much of the parent's
responsibility, but using Carson Miller as an example, who's parents
support him in EVERY way, he also has two younger brothers who ski
race,
play baseball and do other sports as well and it takes a toll on their
finances and sanity, especially when Carson's chosen sport is usually
a
3 hour drive away and requires multiple $1500+ equpiment dings.
Carson's
parents make good money and I know for a fact that the equipment and
travel demands of cycling keep them working hard, not just for Carson,
but for all of their kids. So I guess the moral of the story is that
ANY
support one can give a junior racer would be welcome, especially when
the parents aren't in one of those upper tax brackets. Any little bit
of
encouragement in the way of offsetting the costs for juniors is not
only
good for the junior and his parents, but good for the sport.
Brad
Luciano bailey wrote:
My opinion on any governing body is the same there is enough revenue
generated by Adult racers to subsidize junior racing. Oregon could
be
the
next thing to the Olympic training grounds in Colorado if Oregon
racers
start to embrace junior racing for it's true potential. I don't know
about
you but watching Carson Miller beating up on adults is exciting and
a
tribute to the future of the the sport (Sorry OLD GUYS).Let alone
the
invaluble experience Kent Johnston brings to his kids as
coach/active
racer.
If every racer who could afford it sponsored one junior racer that
would
bring hundreds of juniors into a system that now struggles to field
100
at
any race. Compare that to euro racing where juniors and development
programs
are there most precious commodity. Thus the euro dominance of the
sport
in
almost all disciplines. No offense Lance,Levi, and the rest. Just
another
thought.
From: dan davis
Reply-To: da-@preciseflight.com
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cy
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:29:47 +0000
can you say UCI. the non UCI cost for the junior race is $12. the
UCI
junior is $20, some of that $20 goes to the UCI for all the work
they do
for us? they do do work for us right?
Dan...
Hormann, Douglas J wrote:
You're not the only one Luciano. I was wondering the same thing.
Can
someone explain the organization of cyclocross vs. other OBRA
events so
we can understand the cost difference. I know there's insurance,
etc. to
be paid; is it at a different rate for cyclocross events.?
Doug Hormann
-----Original Message-----
From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:49 AM
To: bri-@halffastvelo.com; ob-@topica.com;
nwcyc-@topica.com;
obra-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cyclocross
Classic- Sat
10/8
Maybe off topic but why are the Junior cross races so expensive
with the
tremendous turnout for these events promoters would encourage
junior
also
known as future racers by not making racing cost prohibitive. I
could be
alone here but after bike shopping and race fees it is quite a
leap for
an
eight to ten race season. I think my main concern is the future
of
Oregon
racing if the juniors programs are not somehow subsidized. Just
a
thought.
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