Cost of Participation

cmur-@obra.org

2005-10-06



The costs are per person regardless of age. OBRA encourages entry fee

of $5.00 for juniors. If the race organizer does this entry fee then

OBRA waives its fee. But the insurance and officials fees are still

based on per rider participation.

C



-----Original Message-----

From: Mark Wexler [mailto:mark.w-@comcast.net]

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:05 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cost of Participation



I have a seven year old that is just starting to compete in gymnastics.



The costs for this are quite high and we do all the sacrificing that we

can to provide this for her. Already we are seeking scholarships and

grant money from the local groups to help defray the costs that will

only grow throughout the years.



Cycling is no different. I'm sure that many parents out there are more

than happy to 'subsidize' their childs endevours. I empathize with

those who struggle to give all they can to their children and still must



sometimes say no...



So I ask this... from what I've read - the numbers are relatively low

for Junior turnout...could the subsidies be built in to the overall cost



of the event? Can't a junior race free with a paying adult? Anything

we can do to help bring juniors to the race is what counts!



--Mark



Schreck, George wrote:

 

Why can their parents not subsidize their racing. Why is this the

role

 of others. I do not begrudge some assistance and support those

efforts,

 but the parents need to be the primary people paying for their

children's endeavors. As it is, I already pay high property taxes and

a

 Multnomah income tax to support schools, and as a citizen I believe I

should be willing to do so. I also have no issue with providing some

junior racing support, but at some point, I look to the parents to

support their children and not expect others to do so. I realize it

is

 a sacrifice for those parents, but they chose to have children and

everything that comes with it. I made other choices for better or

worse.



-----Original Message-----

From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:48 AM

To: da-@preciseflight.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cy



My opinion on any governing body is the same there is enough revenue

generated by Adult racers to subsidize junior racing. Oregon could be

the

next thing to the Olympic training grounds in Colorado if Oregon

racers

 start to embrace junior racing for it's true potential. I don't know

about

you but watching Carson Miller beating up on adults is exciting and a

tribute to the future of the the sport (Sorry OLD GUYS).Let alone the

invaluble experience Kent Johnston brings to his kids as coach/active

racer.

If every racer who could afford it sponsored one junior racer that

would

 

bring hundreds of juniors into a system that now struggles to field

100

 at

any race. Compare that to euro racing where juniors and development

programs

are there most precious commodity. Thus the euro dominance of the

sport

 in

almost all disciplines. No offense Lance,Levi, and the rest. Just

another

thought.







 From: dan davis <da-@preciseflight.com>

Reply-To: da-@preciseflight.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cy

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:29:47 +0000



can you say UCI. the non UCI cost for the junior race is $12. the UCI

junior is $20, some of that $20 goes to the UCI for all the work they

do

  for us? they do do work for us right?

Dan...

Hormann, Douglas J wrote:

 

You're not the only one Luciano. I was wondering the same thing.

Can

   someone explain the organization of cyclocross vs. other OBRA

events so

   we can understand the cost difference. I know there's insurance,

etc. to

   be paid; is it at a different rate for cyclocross events.?



   Doug Hormann





-----Original Message-----

From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:49 AM

To: bri-@halffastvelo.com; ob-@topica.com; nwcyc-@topica.com;

obra-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cyclocross Classic-

Sat

   10/8



Maybe off topic but why are the Junior cross races so expensive

with the

   

tremendous turnout for these events promoters would encourage

junior

   also

known as future racers by not making racing cost prohibitive. I

could be

   

alone here but after bike shopping and race fees it is quite a

leap for

   an

eight to ten race season. I think my main concern is the future of

Oregon

racing if the juniors programs are not somehow subsidized. Just a

thought.



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I have a seven year old that is just starting to compete in gymnastics.

The costs for this are quite high and we do all the sacrificing that we

can to provide this for her. Already we are seeking scholarships and

grant money from the local groups to help defray the costs that will

only grow throughout the years.



Cycling is no different. I'm sure that many parents out there are more

than happy to 'subsidize' their childs endevours. I empathize with

those who struggle to give all they can to their children and still must

sometimes say no...



So I ask this... from what I've read - the numbers are relatively low

for Junior turnout...could the subsidies be built in to the overall cost

of the event? Can't a junior race free with a paying adult? Anything

we can do to help bring juniors to the race is what counts!



--Mark



Schreck, George wrote:

 

Why can their parents not subsidize their racing. Why is this the role

of others. I do not begrudge some assistance and support those efforts,

but the parents need to be the primary people paying for their

children's endeavors. As it is, I already pay high property taxes and a

Multnomah income tax to support schools, and as a citizen I believe I

should be willing to do so. I also have no issue with providing some

junior racing support, but at some point, I look to the parents to

support their children and not expect others to do so. I realize it is

a sacrifice for those parents, but they chose to have children and

everything that comes with it. I made other choices for better or

worse.



-----Original Message-----

From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:48 AM

To: da-@preciseflight.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cy



My opinion on any governing body is the same there is enough revenue

generated by Adult racers to subsidize junior racing. Oregon could be

the

next thing to the Olympic training grounds in Colorado if Oregon racers

start to embrace junior racing for it's true potential. I don't know

about

you but watching Carson Miller beating up on adults is exciting and a

tribute to the future of the the sport (Sorry OLD GUYS).Let alone the

invaluble experience Kent Johnston brings to his kids as coach/active

racer.

If every racer who could afford it sponsored one junior racer that would



bring hundreds of juniors into a system that now struggles to field 100

at

any race. Compare that to euro racing where juniors and development

programs

are there most precious commodity. Thus the euro dominance of the sport

in

almost all disciplines. No offense Lance,Levi, and the rest. Just

another

thought.







 From: dan davis <da-@preciseflight.com>

Reply-To: da-@preciseflight.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cy

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:29:47 +0000



can you say UCI. the non UCI cost for the junior race is $12. the UCI

junior is $20, some of that $20 goes to the UCI for all the work they do

for us? they do do work for us right?

Dan...

Hormann, Douglas J wrote:

 

You're not the only one Luciano. I was wondering the same thing. Can

someone explain the organization of cyclocross vs. other OBRA events so

we can understand the cost difference. I know there's insurance, etc. to

be paid; is it at a different rate for cyclocross events.?



   Doug Hormann





-----Original Message-----

From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:49 AM

To: bri-@halffastvelo.com; ob-@topica.com; nwcyc-@topica.com;

obra-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale St?mptown Cyclocross Classic- Sat

10/8



Maybe off topic but why are the Junior cross races so expensive with the



tremendous turnout for these events promoters would encourage junior

also

known as future racers by not making racing cost prohibitive. I could be



alone here but after bike shopping and race fees it is quite a leap for

an

eight to ten race season. I think my main concern is the future of

Oregon

racing if the juniors programs are not somehow subsidized. Just a

thought.



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