a dog crashed me today.

Shane Stent

2005-10-08



or just pedal faster.



----Original Message Follows----

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To: garym-@comcast.net, ob-@topica.com

CC: Gary Medley <garym-@comcast.net>

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.

Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:23:37 +0000



Unless, of course, the owner lets the dog on the couch. . .



Better still (from personal experience) are (loudly and forcefully) "Stay!"

or "Sit!"



Works for me every time.



Peter

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 A friend of mine has an interesting verbal technique to slow the approach

of pursuing pups. He waits until the dog is within earshot, then hollers

at the top of his lungs, a command EVERY dog has heard: "OFF THE

COUCH!!!" Puzzled, the dog stops and tries to figure out what happened.



Gary





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I'm voting you the winner of this oneupsmanship contest - I've never

seen a poodle that can drive!



Rick





T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:



 You think a weiner dog is bad....



I was bitten on the as$ by a poodle while pedaling uphill. It even

had those dang poofy things on its feet.



It first did a drive by to see if I was tasty enough and then

pounced. Sheesh.









On Oct 7, 2005, at 2:27 PM, cdbr-@gmail.com wrote:



 Hey, little dogs can get ya too! My brother totalled his s-works road

bike (frame/wheels) when he collided w/ a weiner dog last thanksgiving.

I think that his bike was worth more than the dog owner's decrepit

trailer in the mobile home park... no luck collecting on that one. Poor

little pooch.



Chris





john schmidt wrote:



 

Yeah my experience is that many dogs that chase are not smart

enough to

know to veer or stop and will run right into you. Not cause they want

to cause it can hurt them worse...



Yeah occasionally you'll get one that goes for your ankle or some that

just run beside.



But always anticipate them hitting you.



If it a small dog no big deal, it will bounce off, But if its a

big dog



that hits you, like that time for me in Virginia near the great dismal

swamp, and even though you stay upright, the impact can shove you

across



the lane, off the road, and flipping into a deep muddy ditch full of

water and snakes. Yes I probably set a record for scrambling up steep

muddy ditches.





Peter Gierga wrote:



 

On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front

wheel

. I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and

broke

my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars)   so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts

and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing

and was

standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned

out to

be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I

was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode

the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is

bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to

mention the





huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker

accident.

Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I

guess



I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like

that.

                            Best, Peter



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Martin

2005-10-08



Dogs "in the South" can always be a problem. After riding in Georgia for

almost 10 years, the tried and true method if verbal doesn't work is

spraying your water bottle in their face. Timing can be key but even the

most harden of junk yard dogs will back down.





----- Original Message -----

From: "Dave German" <dave_g-@hotmail.com>

To: <randylew-@gmail.com>; <chr-@northwestlaw.com>

Cc: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:42 AM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.





 I think Alabama got you beat. I rode there this spring and got chased by

six, yes that's SIX dogs in 40 miles!!





 From: Randy Lewandowski <randylew-@gmail.com>

Reply-To: randylew-@gmail.com

To: chr-@northwestlaw.com

CC: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.

Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:19:43 -0500



For preventative measures I always carry pepper spray velcroed to my stem.

I

think there are more dogs here in eastern Indiana than people.



Randy Lewandowski

Muncie Indiana



On 10/7/05, Chris Rycewicz <chr-@northwestlaw.com> wrote:

 

There is an Oregon statute that prevents dog owners from allowing their

animals to run at large. There is an Oregon court of appeals decision

which holds that the statute applies in a situation like yours. This

guy's dog was at large, he had notice that his dog liked to chase

cyclists and it chased you and caused you harm. Find a good plaintiff's

attorney to file a claim and negotiate with the guy's homeowner's

insurer, assuming he has liability coverage. Mark Ginsberg comes to

mind. You have a remedy but whether it is worth the hassle to assert it

depends on how badly you are hurt. Oh, and be sure to keep your twisted

bike, smashed helmet, damaged clothing and take pictures of any wounds.

Go to the doctor and get examined as well since you took a hard knock

to

the head.







Christopher A. Rycewicz

Rycewicz & Chenoweth LLP

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Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:40 AM

To: fishon-@hotmail.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



Of course they can do something. You are a vehicle and the law covers

all vehicles including bicycles. I would not accept that at all. I

would call them back. They just do not want to get involved. Second,

report the dog to animal control, and third, contact the owner for

restitution and if you do not get a satisfactory response, file a

complaint in small claims court against the owner.



-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Gierga [mailto:fishon-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:34 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front wheel

. I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke

my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts

and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and was

standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out to

be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I

was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode

the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is

bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention

the



huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident.

Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I guess

I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like that.

Best, Peter



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oregon-@comcast.net

2005-10-07

Unless, of course, the owner lets the dog on the couch. . .



Better still (from personal experience) are (loudly and forcefully) "Stay!" or "Sit!"



Works for me every time.



Peter

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- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race





-------------- Original message --------------



 A friend of mine has an interesting verbal technique to slow the approach

of pursuing pups. He waits until the dog is within earshot, then hollers

at the top of his lungs, a command EVERY dog has heard: "OFF THE

COUCH!!!" Puzzled, the dog stops and tries to figure out what happened.



Gary





At 02:27 PM 10/7/2005, you wrote:

 ob-@topica.com



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T. Kenji Sugahara

2005-10-07



You think a weiner dog is bad....



I was bitten on the as$ by a poodle while pedaling uphill. It even

had those dang poofy things on its feet.



It first did a drive by to see if I was tasty enough and then

pounced. Sheesh.









On Oct 7, 2005, at 2:27 PM, cdbr-@gmail.com wrote:



 Hey, little dogs can get ya too! My brother totalled his s-works road

bike (frame/wheels) when he collided w/ a weiner dog last

thanksgiving.

I think that his bike was worth more than the dog owner's decrepit

trailer in the mobile home park... no luck collecting on that one.

Poor

little pooch.



Chris





john schmidt wrote:



 

Yeah my experience is that many dogs that chase are not smart

enough to

know to veer or stop and will run right into you. Not cause they

want

to cause it can hurt them worse...



Yeah occasionally you'll get one that goes for your ankle or some

that

just run beside.



But always anticipate them hitting you.



If it a small dog no big deal, it will bounce off, But if its a

big dog



that hits you, like that time for me in Virginia near the great

dismal

swamp, and even though you stay upright, the impact can shove you

across



the lane, off the road, and flipping into a deep muddy ditch full of

water and snakes. Yes I probably set a record for scrambling up

steep

muddy ditches.





Peter Gierga wrote:



 

On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front

wheel

. I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and

broke

my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars)   

so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really

hurts

and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing

and was

standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned

out to

be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying

as I

was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and

rode

the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front

fork is

bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to

mention the





huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker

accident.

Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills.

I guess



I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything

like that.

                            Best, Peter



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jakebigham

2005-10-07



I have found a shot of accelerade works wonders too... problem is,

you have to know the dog is coming!

On Oct 7, 2005, at 2:52 PM, Long, Steve wrote:



 Any loud sound like that will often cause a dog to give pause. If the

person's voice is loud and commanding enough, the dog will usually at

least pause if not turn tail and run. No guarantees on repeat dogs

with

the same person however as what they call in Biology "Habitualization"

will probably occur after a while if there is no harm associated with

the loud sound.

I have actually seen dogs so startled that they didn't know what to do

however. Scream away.



-----Original Message-----

From: Gary Medley [mailto:garym-@comcast.net]

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:44 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



A friend of mine has an interesting verbal technique to slow the

approach of pursuing pups. He waits until the dog is within earshot,

then hollers at the top of his lungs, a command EVERY dog has heard:

"OFF THE

COUCH!!!"   Puzzled, the dog stops and tries to figure out what

happened.



Gary





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704 NE 43rd

Portland, Oregon 97213 USA

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503/516-1468 mobile

garym-@comcast.net





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2005-10-07



Any loud sound like that will often cause a dog to give pause. If the

person's voice is loud and commanding enough, the dog will usually at

least pause if not turn tail and run. No guarantees on repeat dogs with

the same person however as what they call in Biology "Habitualization"

will probably occur after a while if there is no harm associated with

the loud sound.

I have actually seen dogs so startled that they didn't know what to do

however. Scream away.



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Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:44 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



A friend of mine has an interesting verbal technique to slow the

approach of pursuing pups. He waits until the dog is within earshot,

then hollers at the top of his lungs, a command EVERY dog has heard:

"OFF THE

COUCH!!!"   Puzzled, the dog stops and tries to figure out what

happened.



Gary





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A friend of mine has an interesting verbal technique to slow the approach

of pursuing pups. He waits until the dog is within earshot, then hollers

at the top of his lungs, a command EVERY dog has heard: "OFF THE

COUCH!!!"   Puzzled, the dog stops and tries to figure out what happened.



Gary





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 ob-@topica.com



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markjgi-@yahoo.com

2005-10-07



as for going after the home owner, yes and no.



Auto carriers will go after people who cause damage

whiich the auto insurance has to pay out. They have

entire subrogation units who handle this type of work.



If a bicyclist has their own health insurance pay for

the medical treatment here, or their own homeowners

pay for th ebike, I doubt highly that either has the

depth of desire to poursue this type of claim in place

of the injured person doing it.



Mark Ginsberg



--- "Hormann, Douglas J" <Douglas.-@tvfr.com>

wrote:



 Peter, The person you need to speak to in your

county is the county dog

control officer. Most Sheriff's Offices try to

avoid dog problems,

because we don't have facilities to keep animals.

Give the county animal

shelter a call and they can put you in touch with

animal control to

investigate the problem owner.



As for the problem with restitution, if you have

insurance and make a

claim, they will likely go after the owner. Mine did

when I had a

similar incident on my motorcycle several years ago.





Dep. Doug Hormann, WCSO

Office of Consolidated Emergency Management

20665 SW Blanton Street, Aloha, OR 97007

503.642.0374 - Work





-----Original Message-----

From: Schreck, George

[mailto:george.-@pacificorp.com]

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:40 AM

To: fishon-@hotmail.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



Of course they can do something. You are a vehicle

and the law covers

all vehicles including bicycles. I would not accept

that at all. I

would call them back. They just do not want to get

involved. Second,

report the dog to animal control, and third, contact

the owner for

restitution and if you do not get a satisfactory

response, file a

complaint in small claims court against the owner.



-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Gierga [mailto:fishon-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:34 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran

into my front wheel

. I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with

my back and broke

my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots

of stars) so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My

back really hurts

and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed

gear is totaled.

This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the

whole thing and was

standing there looking down at me saying something.

which turned out to

be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what

he was saying as I

was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that

dog had chased a

biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my

front brake and rode

the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because

my front fork is

bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is

twisted not to mention the



huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff

and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor

vehicle biker accident.

Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some

medical bills. I guess

I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or

anything like that.

                            Best, Peter



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Peter, The person you need to speak to in your county is the county dog

control officer. Most Sheriff's Offices try to avoid dog problems,

because we don't have facilities to keep animals. Give the county animal

shelter a call and they can put you in touch with animal control to

investigate the problem owner.



As for the problem with restitution, if you have insurance and make a

claim, they will likely go after the owner. Mine did when I had a

similar incident on my motorcycle several years ago.



Dep. Doug Hormann, WCSO

Office of Consolidated Emergency Management

20665 SW Blanton Street, Aloha, OR 97007

503.642.0374 - Work





-----Original Message-----

From: Schreck, George [mailto:george.-@pacificorp.com]

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:40 AM

To: fishon-@hotmail.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



Of course they can do something. You are a vehicle and the law covers

all vehicles including bicycles. I would not accept that at all. I

would call them back. They just do not want to get involved. Second,

report the dog to animal control, and third, contact the owner for

restitution and if you do not get a satisfactory response, file a

complaint in small claims court against the owner.



-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Gierga [mailto:fishon-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:34 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front wheel

. I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke

my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts

and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and was

standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out to

be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I

was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode

the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is

bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention the



huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident.

Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I guess

I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like that.

                           Best, Peter



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Hey, little dogs can get ya too! My brother totalled his s-works road

bike (frame/wheels) when he collided w/ a weiner dog last thanksgiving.

I think that his bike was worth more than the dog owner's decrepit

trailer in the mobile home park... no luck collecting on that one. Poor

little pooch.



Chris





john schmidt wrote:

 

Yeah my experience is that many dogs that chase are not smart enough to

know to veer or stop and will run right into you. Not cause they want

to cause it can hurt them worse...



Yeah occasionally you'll get one that goes for your ankle or some that

just run beside.



But always anticipate them hitting you.



If it a small dog no big deal, it will bounce off, But if its a big dog



that hits you, like that time for me in Virginia near the great dismal

swamp, and even though you stay upright, the impact can shove you across



the lane, off the road, and flipping into a deep muddy ditch full of

water and snakes. Yes I probably set a record for scrambling up steep

muddy ditches.   





Peter Gierga wrote:

 

On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front wheel

. I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke

my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts

and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and was

standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out to

be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I

was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode

the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is

bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention the





huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident.

Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I guess



I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like that.

                            Best, Peter



john schmidt

2005-10-07



Yeah my experience is that many dogs that chase are not smart enough to

know to veer or stop and will run right into you. Not cause they want

to cause it can hurt them worse...



Yeah occasionally you'll get one that goes for your ankle or some that

just run beside.



But always anticipate them hitting you.



If it a small dog no big deal, it will bounce off, But if its a big dog

that hits you, like that time for me in Virginia near the great dismal

swamp, and even though you stay upright, the impact can shove you across

the lane, off the road, and flipping into a deep muddy ditch full of

water and snakes. Yes I probably set a record for scrambling up steep

muddy ditches.   





Peter Gierga wrote:

 

On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front wheel

. I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke

my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts

and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and was

standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out to

be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I

was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode

the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is

bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention the



huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident.

Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I guess

I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like that.

                            Best, Peter



Doug Evans

2005-10-07



I rode in Thailand and was chased by six dogs at one time. Three from one side of the street and three from the other. Fortunately, once the met in the middle of the street, they turned on each other and I was outta there!



-----Original Message-----

From: Dave German [mailto:dave_g-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:42 AM

To: randylew-@gmail.com; chr-@northwestlaw.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.





I think Alabama got you beat. I rode there this spring and got chased by

six, yes that's SIX dogs in 40 miles!!





 From: Randy Lewandowski <randylew-@gmail.com>

Reply-To: randylew-@gmail.com

To: chr-@northwestlaw.com

CC: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.

Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:19:43 -0500



For preventative measures I always carry pepper spray velcroed to my stem.

I

think there are more dogs here in eastern Indiana than people.



Randy Lewandowski

Muncie Indiana



On 10/7/05, Chris Rycewicz <chr-@northwestlaw.com> wrote:

 

There is an Oregon statute that prevents dog owners from allowing their

animals to run at large. There is an Oregon court of appeals decision

which holds that the statute applies in a situation like yours. This

guy's dog was at large, he had notice that his dog liked to chase

cyclists and it chased you and caused you harm. Find a good plaintiff's

attorney to file a claim and negotiate with the guy's homeowner's

insurer, assuming he has liability coverage. Mark Ginsberg comes to

mind. You have a remedy but whether it is worth the hassle to assert it

depends on how badly you are hurt. Oh, and be sure to keep your twisted

bike, smashed helmet, damaged clothing and take pictures of any wounds.

Go to the doctor and get examined as well since you took a hard knock to

the head.







Christopher A. Rycewicz

Rycewicz & Chenoweth LLP

601 SW Second Ave., Suite 1940

Portland, OR 97204

phone (503) 221-7958

fax (503) 221-2182

email: chr-@northwestlaw.com







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From: Schreck, George [mailto:george.-@pacificorp.com]

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:40 AM

To: fishon-@hotmail.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



Of course they can do something. You are a vehicle and the law covers

all vehicles including bicycles. I would not accept that at all. I

would call them back. They just do not want to get involved. Second,

report the dog to animal control, and third, contact the owner for

restitution and if you do not get a satisfactory response, file a

complaint in small claims court against the owner.



-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Gierga [mailto:fishon-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:34 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front wheel

. I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke

my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts

and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and was

standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out to

be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I

was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode

the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is

bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention the



huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident.

Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I guess

I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like that.

Best, Peter



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2005-10-07

Michael Colbach is an Oregon bicycle accident and personal injury attorney.

He handles injury and death claims througout the state.

www.bicycleattorney.com <http://www.bicycleattorney.com>, that should cover

this subject.



On 10/7/05, Dave German <dave_g-@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

I think Alabama got you beat. I rode there this spring and got chased by

six, yes that's SIX dogs in 40 miles!!





 From: Randy Lewandowski <randylew-@gmail.com>

Reply-To: randylew-@gmail.com

To: chr-@northwestlaw.com

CC: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.

Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:19:43 -0500



For preventative measures I always carry pepper spray velcroed to my

stem.

 I

think there are more dogs here in eastern Indiana than people.



Randy Lewandowski

Muncie Indiana



On 10/7/05, Chris Rycewicz <chr-@northwestlaw.com> wrote:

 

There is an Oregon statute that prevents dog owners from allowing

their

  animals to run at large. There is an Oregon court of appeals decision

which holds that the statute applies in a situation like yours. This

guy's dog was at large, he had notice that his dog liked to chase

cyclists and it chased you and caused you harm. Find a good

plaintiff's

  attorney to file a claim and negotiate with the guy's homeowner's

insurer, assuming he has liability coverage. Mark Ginsberg comes to

mind. You have a remedy but whether it is worth the hassle to assert

it

  depends on how badly you are hurt. Oh, and be sure to keep your

twisted

  bike, smashed helmet, damaged clothing and take pictures of any

wounds.

  Go to the doctor and get examined as well since you took a hard knock

to

  the head.







Christopher A. Rycewicz

Rycewicz & Chenoweth LLP

601 SW Second Ave., Suite 1940

Portland, OR 97204

phone (503) 221-7958

fax (503) 221-2182

email: chr-@northwestlaw.com







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-----Original Message-----

From: Schreck, George [mailto:george.-@pacificorp.com]

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:40 AM

To: fishon-@hotmail.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



Of course they can do something. You are a vehicle and the law covers

all vehicles including bicycles. I would not accept that at all. I

would call them back. They just do not want to get involved. Second,

report the dog to animal control, and third, contact the owner for

restitution and if you do not get a satisfactory response, file a

complaint in small claims court against the owner.



-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Gierga [mailto:fishon-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:34 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front

wheel

  . I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke

my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts

and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and

was

  standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out

to

  be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I

was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode

the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is

bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention

the

  

huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident.

Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I guess

I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like

that.

  Best, Peter



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I think Alabama got you beat. I rode there this spring and got chased by

six, yes that's SIX dogs in 40 miles!!





 From: Randy Lewandowski <randylew-@gmail.com>

Reply-To: randylew-@gmail.com

To: chr-@northwestlaw.com

CC: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.

Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:19:43 -0500



For preventative measures I always carry pepper spray velcroed to my stem.

I

think there are more dogs here in eastern Indiana than people.



Randy Lewandowski

Muncie Indiana



On 10/7/05, Chris Rycewicz <chr-@northwestlaw.com> wrote:

 

There is an Oregon statute that prevents dog owners from allowing their

animals to run at large. There is an Oregon court of appeals decision

which holds that the statute applies in a situation like yours. This

guy's dog was at large, he had notice that his dog liked to chase

cyclists and it chased you and caused you harm. Find a good plaintiff's

attorney to file a claim and negotiate with the guy's homeowner's

insurer, assuming he has liability coverage. Mark Ginsberg comes to

mind. You have a remedy but whether it is worth the hassle to assert it

depends on how badly you are hurt. Oh, and be sure to keep your twisted

bike, smashed helmet, damaged clothing and take pictures of any wounds.

Go to the doctor and get examined as well since you took a hard knock to

the head.







Christopher A. Rycewicz

Rycewicz & Chenoweth LLP

601 SW Second Ave., Suite 1940

Portland, OR 97204

phone (503) 221-7958

fax (503) 221-2182

email: chr-@northwestlaw.com







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-----Original Message-----

From: Schreck, George [mailto:george.-@pacificorp.com]

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:40 AM

To: fishon-@hotmail.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



Of course they can do something. You are a vehicle and the law covers

all vehicles including bicycles. I would not accept that at all. I

would call them back. They just do not want to get involved. Second,

report the dog to animal control, and third, contact the owner for

restitution and if you do not get a satisfactory response, file a

complaint in small claims court against the owner.



-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Gierga [mailto:fishon-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:34 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front wheel

. I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke

my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts

and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and was

standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out to

be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I

was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode

the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is

bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention the



huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident.

Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I guess

I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like that.

Best, Peter



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matt-@oatmail.org

2005-10-07



Yeah good call, I dont wanna end up seeing stars in the middle of the

street either :) Where'd you crash?



 Why has no one asked where this 'dog at large' is?



Call me selfish but I would like to know where this runaway dog is so I

can

AVOID meeting him!



-Keith







   -----Original Message-----

   From: Randy Lewandowski [mailto:randylew-@gmail.com]

   Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:20 AM

   To: chr-@northwestlaw.com

   Cc: ob-@topica.com

   Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.





   For preventative measures I always carry pepper spray velcroed to my

stem.

I think there are more dogs here in eastern Indiana than people.



   Randy Lewandowski

   Muncie Indiana





   On 10/7/05, Chris Rycewicz <chr-@northwestlaw.com> wrote:

     There is an Oregon statute that prevents dog owners from allowing

their

     animals to run at large. There is an Oregon court of appeals decision

     which holds that the statute applies in a situation like yours. This

     guy's dog was at large, he had notice that his dog liked to chase

     cyclists and it chased you and caused you harm. Find a good

plaintiff's

     attorney to file a claim and negotiate with the guy's homeowner's

     insurer, assuming he has liability coverage. Mark Ginsberg comes to

     mind. You have a remedy but whether it is worth the hassle to assert

it

     depends on how badly you are hurt. Oh, and be sure to keep your

twisted

     bike, smashed helmet, damaged clothing and take pictures of any

wounds.

     Go to the doctor and get examined as well since you took a hard knock

to

     the head.







     Christopher A. Rycewicz

     Rycewicz & Chenoweth LLP

     601 SW Second Ave., Suite 1940

     Portland, OR 97204

     phone (503) 221-7958

     fax (503) 221-2182

     email: chr-@northwestlaw.com







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     -----Original Message-----

     From: Schreck, George [mailto:george.-@pacificorp.com]

     Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:40 AM

     To: fishon-@hotmail.com

     Cc: ob-@topica.com

     Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



     Of course they can do something. You are a vehicle and the law covers

     all vehicles including bicycles. I would not accept that at all. I

     would call them back. They just do not want to get involved. Second,

     report the dog to animal control, and third, contact the owner for

     restitution and if you do not get a satisfactory response, file a

     complaint in small claims court against the owner.



     -----Original Message-----

     From: Peter Gierga [mailto:fishon-@hotmail.com]

     Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:34 PM

     To: ob-@topica.com

     Subject: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



     On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front

wheel

     . I

     did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke

     my

     helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

     sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts

     and I

     have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

     This

     happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and

was

     standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out

to

     be

     are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I

     was

     laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

     biker.

     So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode

     the

     last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is

     bent

     about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention

the



     huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

     couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident.

     Thank

     God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I

guess

     I

     dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like

that.

                                Best, Peter



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2005-10-07

Why has no one asked where this 'dog at large' is?



Call me selfish but I would like to know where this runaway dog is so I can

AVOID meeting him!



-Keith







-----Original Message-----

From: Randy Lewandowski [mailto:randylew-@gmail.com]

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:20 AM

To: chr-@northwestlaw.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.





For preventative measures I always carry pepper spray velcroed to my stem.

I think there are more dogs here in eastern Indiana than people.



Randy Lewandowski

Muncie Indiana





On 10/7/05, Chris Rycewicz <chr-@northwestlaw.com> wrote:

    There is an Oregon statute that prevents dog owners from allowing their

    animals to run at large. There is an Oregon court of appeals decision

    which holds that the statute applies in a situation like yours. This

    guy's dog was at large, he had notice that his dog liked to chase

    cyclists and it chased you and caused you harm. Find a good plaintiff's

    attorney to file a claim and negotiate with the guy's homeowner's

    insurer, assuming he has liability coverage. Mark Ginsberg comes to

    mind. You have a remedy but whether it is worth the hassle to assert it

    depends on how badly you are hurt. Oh, and be sure to keep your twisted

    bike, smashed helmet, damaged clothing and take pictures of any wounds.

    Go to the doctor and get examined as well since you took a hard knock to

    the head.







    Christopher A. Rycewicz

    Rycewicz & Chenoweth LLP

    601 SW Second Ave., Suite 1940

    Portland, OR 97204

    phone (503) 221-7958

    fax (503) 221-2182

    email: chr-@northwestlaw.com







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    -----Original Message-----

    From: Schreck, George [mailto:george.-@pacificorp.com]

    Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:40 AM

    To: fishon-@hotmail.com

    Cc: ob-@topica.com

    Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



    Of course they can do something. You are a vehicle and the law covers

    all vehicles including bicycles. I would not accept that at all. I

    would call them back. They just do not want to get involved. Second,

    report the dog to animal control, and third, contact the owner for

    restitution and if you do not get a satisfactory response, file a

    complaint in small claims court against the owner.



    -----Original Message-----

    From: Peter Gierga [mailto:fishon-@hotmail.com]

    Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:34 PM

    To: ob-@topica.com

    Subject: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



    On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front wheel

    . I

    did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke

    my

    helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

    sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts

    and I

    have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

    This

    happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and was

    standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out to

    be

    are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I

    was

    laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

    biker.

    So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode

    the

    last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is

    bent

    about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention the



    huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

    couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident.

    Thank

    God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I guess

    I

    dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like that.

                               Best, Peter



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Randy Lewandowski

2005-10-07

For preventative measures I always carry pepper spray velcroed to my stem. I

think there are more dogs here in eastern Indiana than people.



Randy Lewandowski

Muncie Indiana



On 10/7/05, Chris Rycewicz <chr-@northwestlaw.com> wrote:

 

There is an Oregon statute that prevents dog owners from allowing their

animals to run at large. There is an Oregon court of appeals decision

which holds that the statute applies in a situation like yours. This

guy's dog was at large, he had notice that his dog liked to chase

cyclists and it chased you and caused you harm. Find a good plaintiff's

attorney to file a claim and negotiate with the guy's homeowner's

insurer, assuming he has liability coverage. Mark Ginsberg comes to

mind. You have a remedy but whether it is worth the hassle to assert it

depends on how badly you are hurt. Oh, and be sure to keep your twisted

bike, smashed helmet, damaged clothing and take pictures of any wounds.

Go to the doctor and get examined as well since you took a hard knock to

the head.







Christopher A. Rycewicz

Rycewicz & Chenoweth LLP

601 SW Second Ave., Suite 1940

Portland, OR 97204

phone (503) 221-7958

fax (503) 221-2182

email: chr-@northwestlaw.com







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-----Original Message-----

From: Schreck, George [mailto:george.-@pacificorp.com]

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:40 AM

To: fishon-@hotmail.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



Of course they can do something. You are a vehicle and the law covers

all vehicles including bicycles. I would not accept that at all. I

would call them back. They just do not want to get involved. Second,

report the dog to animal control, and third, contact the owner for

restitution and if you do not get a satisfactory response, file a

complaint in small claims court against the owner.



-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Gierga [mailto:fishon-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:34 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front wheel

. I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke

my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts

and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and was

standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out to

be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I

was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode

the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is

bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention the



huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident.

Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I guess

I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like that.

Best, Peter



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2005-10-07



There is an Oregon statute that prevents dog owners from allowing their

animals to run at large. There is an Oregon court of appeals decision

which holds that the statute applies in a situation like yours. This

guy's dog was at large, he had notice that his dog liked to chase

cyclists and it chased you and caused you harm. Find a good plaintiff's

attorney to file a claim and negotiate with the guy's homeowner's

insurer, assuming he has liability coverage. Mark Ginsberg comes to

mind. You have a remedy but whether it is worth the hassle to assert it

depends on how badly you are hurt. Oh, and be sure to keep your twisted

bike, smashed helmet, damaged clothing and take pictures of any wounds.

Go to the doctor and get examined as well since you took a hard knock to

the head.







Christopher A. Rycewicz

Rycewicz & Chenoweth LLP

601 SW Second Ave., Suite 1940

Portland, OR 97204

phone (503) 221-7958

fax (503) 221-2182

email: chr-@northwestlaw.com







INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS COMMUNICATION IS PRIVILEGED AND/OR

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-----Original Message-----

From: Schreck, George [mailto:george.-@pacificorp.com]

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:40 AM

To: fishon-@hotmail.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



Of course they can do something. You are a vehicle and the law covers

all vehicles including bicycles. I would not accept that at all. I

would call them back. They just do not want to get involved. Second,

report the dog to animal control, and third, contact the owner for

restitution and if you do not get a satisfactory response, file a

complaint in small claims court against the owner.



-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Gierga [mailto:fishon-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:34 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front wheel

. I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke

my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts

and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and was

standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out to

be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I

was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode

the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is

bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention the



huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident.

Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I guess

I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like that.

                           Best, Peter



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Schreck, George

2005-10-07



Of course they can do something. You are a vehicle and the law covers

all vehicles including bicycles. I would not accept that at all. I

would call them back. They just do not want to get involved. Second,

report the dog to animal control, and third, contact the owner for

restitution and if you do not get a satisfactory response, file a

complaint in small claims court against the owner.



-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Gierga [mailto:fishon-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:34 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] a dog crashed me today.



On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front wheel

. I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke

my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts

and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled.

This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and was

standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out to

be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I

was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a

biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode

the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is

bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention the



huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident.

Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I guess

I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like that.

                           Best, Peter



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shane.-@comcast.net

2005-10-07

Peter-

I am not a lawyer but I think you have enough cause for a civil suit. Small claims court if you don't want to spend the money or too much time. This will atleast let the guy know that there are repercussions to not having his dog contained in the yard. Plus I think the police gave you a bogus answer because they feel that they have better things to do.

Shane



-------------- Original message --------------



 On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front wheel . I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled. This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and was

standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out to be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention the

huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident. Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I guess I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like that.

Best, Peter



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Peter Gierga

2005-10-06



On my ride a dog came shooting across the road. Ran into my front wheel . I

did a endo smashing my patch kit to smithereens with my back and broke my

helmet with the back of my head on the road. ( lots of stars) so Im

sitting here with a killer headache, stiff neck, My back really hurts and I

have a pain shooting down my left leg. And my fixed gear is totaled. This

happened right in front of a guys house who saw the whole thing and was

standing there looking down at me saying something. which turned out to be

are you okay. It took me awhile to figure out what he was saying as I was

laying there. He said it wasn't the first time that dog had chased a biker.

So I straightened my handle bars disconnected my front brake and rode the

last few miles home which was kind of tricky because my front fork is bent

about 25degrees to the right and the frame is twisted not to mention the

huge wow in my front wheel . I called the Sheriff and they said they

couldn't do anything because It wasn't a motor vehicle biker accident. Thank

God. Looks like Im out a bike a helmet and some medical bills. I guess I

dont have anything to complain about Im not Dead or anything like that.

                           Best, Peter