Thomas Schoenborn
Not that it has anything to do with anything, but what you're suggesting is
how it's done in running: Fast people at the front, me in the back. But, ya
know, whatever.
From: Matthew Rider <matthe-@comcast.net>
Reply-To: <matthe-@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:30:40 -0700
To: <TSch-@mackaysposito.com>, <ob-@topica.com>
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+ B start
"Ok I kind of hate to say this but I'm going to any way."
Me too.
This is something that I've been noticing also, not people jumping in late
but people lining up really early. You ask for a "method to the madness."
Perhaps lining up where you expect to finish, or maybe up ahead of that
expectation a bit. I raced in my category and up a category at the Hillsboro
race and lined up at the back when I raced up a category. Last year racing
in the Beginner category I did better and better as the season went on, and
as the season went on I staged closer and closer to the front. At Nats last
year I raced C, not having any realistic expectation that I'd do well I
staged at the back.
This weekend I'm going to try to stage near the front in the Cat C race
since I've been finishing near the front this year. If I end up racing Bs
I'll try to stage near the middle (where I think I'll finish). If I miss a
few positions because of staging and get 35th instead of 30th no big deal,
but if I miss a few positions in a race I might be a contender in, and get
10th instead of 5th, I'll be frustrated. If I made one of you miss a few
critical positions I'd feel badly about it.
I'm sure it's too much to ask the officials to do a call up based on results
(or any other criteria) and I doubt there are any rules based on staging so
I'm guess I'm just sharing my staging philosophy for those that care or
haven't thought about it. To those that say "if you want to stage at the
front, stage early." I understand it's racing and it's every man for
himself. Enjoy the race.
Any suggestions officials?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Schauer" <TSch-@mackaysposito.com>
To: <ob-@topica.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 7:20 PM
Subject: FW: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+ B start
At first I thought I was this guy! But maybe not I since some of my
fellow Master B's say this guy crashed early, I didn't crash.....early.
But I did "jump in" to this field into the 4th or 5th row for the start.
But Man! I got there 20 minutes early and it was jammed already. I asked
the field for mercy and three kind guys (not my teammates) offered me a
spot mid-field. This must have been about 40th or so in the group?
"Thank you!" to them again.
Is there a rule against this kind of thing? I see it all the time at
crits, road races, and cross races. I'm not talking about forcing your
way in, but if you ask and someone in the field lets you in, you do it.
I've let people in before and I'll do it again, and I'll probably ask
someone to let me in again. What we don't want is people lining up in
the starting lanes on their wind trainers 40 minutes before their race
just to make sure they get a good starting spot and a good warm up,
right??
I think you get what you give in bike racing. I've let plenty of people
into the pace line, or the pack, or the start at crits and Road races
(if they ask nicely) and I've been let in myself (if I ask nicely). Give
a little, get a little, right?
It brings up a good discussion though. At events with 100+ riders in
your field, it seems weird to have to choose between a warm up and
getting lined up 40 minutes early...
Maybe some method to the "line up madness" is warranted at cross, but it
isn't a unique issue to cyclocross, in my view anyway.
Tim "the line cutter" Schauer
-----Original Message-----
From: dan davis [mailto:da-@preciseflight.com]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:19 PM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+ B start
Ok I kind of hate to say this but I'm going to any way.
Just before the start of our race some one (you know who you are) lifted
your bike over the fence and in to the second row, now you may be fast,
but it was not fare to me and the people around me that had been there
for 15 min.
Next time I'll call you on it!!!
Dan...
In Bend.
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