Jerald Powell
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Realizing that I'm sticking my nose in on this... as Candi says I'm
older than dirt anyway and maybe should know better... I like the age
graded system they've been using in Washington for a number of years.
If I recall correctly... they encourage race organizers to have two
masters divisions in which the "younger" lower category masters riders
(35+) can ride with the "older" masters (45+... maybe should be 50+).
I found it interesting that a few years ago, when the organizer (I
think it was wheelsport) first added the second masters race at
Volunteer Park... the number of masters competitors doubled
immediately.
Jerry
On Oct 17, 2005, at 9:03 AM, Luciano bailey wrote:
I think I only have one cent on this one I really enjoyed the races
that offered masters 30 + 40 + 50+ these were the most competetive
even if combined and scored seperate.
From: mike.m-@obra.org
Reply-To: mike.m-@obra.org
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] age categories
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:35:25 -0700
There has been some discussion about Master age divisions and it has
contained some misinformation. Some have suggested that OBRA and/or
USCF
recognize Masters as 35+. This is not the case. USCF defines
masters as
30+ although race organizers may define other age divisions.
Similarly the OBRA rule with regard to age grading is:
"8.5 - AGE GRADED CATEGORIES
Racing age is defined as the age the rider will be on December 31 of
the
current year. Age graded races are defined at the discretion of the
race
organizer subject to the following:
MASTERS may be any age range 30 or older. If no age range is stated
on the
Entry Form/Race Announcement the default age will be 40 and older.
JUNIORS may be any age range 18 or younger. If no age range is
stated on
the Entry Form/Race Announcement the default age will be 18 and
younger."
In other words, each race organizer gets to define the age divisions
for
Masters as long as the age range is 30 or above.
Here in Oregon, as well as other locations, most race organizers have
used
35+ although this is far from universal. Monday PIR and the various
State
Championships use 30+. The Alpenrose Challenge was and will continue
to be
40+. In some locations the local associations have been more formal
about
establishing specific race category and age divisions. I think this
would
be a mistake since individual races may have specific reasons why
different
ability and/or age divisions work better for them. To force those
races to
use another specific division would be a bad thing.
The difficulty comes when calculating the results for the BAR since
there
are several different age and ability schemes that are used by
different
races. Trying to combine them all to make the BAR fair is difficult.
My
suggestion would be that for BAR purposes we only include races that
have
specific age and ability divisions. Race organizers could feel free
to use
other criteria to divide fields but the results of those races would
not be
included in the BAR.
Now for my $0.02 on Master divisions; 30+ is clearly stupid since this
includes most of the membership. I think 35+ is also too low since
about
half the membership is older than 35 (mean age of 2005 annual members
is
34.7). We have a large number of members that we are not really
offering a
good product to; older lower category riders. 40+ makes the most
sense to
me looking at the demographics of our identified market. Of course
none of
this has anything to do with me being 50+. YMMV
Mike Murray
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Community Planning
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Realizing that I'm sticking my nose in on this... as Candi says I'm
older than dirt anyway and maybe should know better... I like the age
graded system they've been using in Washington for a number of years.=20
If I recall correctly... they encourage race organizers to have two
masters divisions in which the "younger" lower category masters riders
(35+) can ride with the "older" masters (45+... maybe should be 50+).
I found it interesting that a few years ago, when the organizer (I
think it was wheelsport) first added the second masters race at
Volunteer Park... the number of masters competitors doubled
immediately.
Jerry
On Oct 17, 2005, at 9:03 AM, Luciano bailey wrote:
<excerpt>I think I only have one cent on this one I really enjoyed the
races that offered masters 30 + 40 + 50+ these were the most
competetive even if combined and scored seperate.
<excerpt>From: mike.m-@obra.org
Reply-To: mike.m-@obra.org
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] age categories
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:35:25 -0700
There has been some discussion about Master age divisions and it has
contained some misinformation. Some have suggested that OBRA and/or
USCF
recognize Masters as 35+. This is not the case. USCF defines masters
as
30+ although race organizers may define other age divisions.
Similarly the OBRA rule with regard to age grading is:
"8.5 - AGE GRADED CATEGORIES
Racing age is defined as the age the rider will be on December 31 of
the
current year. Age graded races are defined at the discretion of the
race
organizer subject to the following:
MASTERS may be any age range 30 or older. If no age range is stated on
the
Entry Form/Race Announcement the default age will be 40 and older.
JUNIORS may be any age range 18 or younger. If no age range is stated
on
the Entry Form/Race Announcement the default age will be 18 and
younger."
In other words, each race organizer gets to define the age divisions
for
Masters as long as the age range is 30 or above.
Here in Oregon, as well as other locations, most race organizers have
used
35+ although this is far from universal. Monday PIR and the various
State
Championships use 30+. The Alpenrose Challenge was and will continue
to be
40+. In some locations the local associations have been more formal
about
establishing specific race category and age divisions. I think this
would
be a mistake since individual races may have specific reasons why
different
ability and/or age divisions work better for them. To force those
races to
use another specific division would be a bad thing.
The difficulty comes when calculating the results for the BAR since
there
are several different age and ability schemes that are used by
different
races. Trying to combine them all to make the BAR fair is difficult.=20
My
suggestion would be that for BAR purposes we only include races that
have
specific age and ability divisions. Race organizers could feel free to
use
other criteria to divide fields but the results of those races would
not be
included in the BAR.
Now for my $0.02 on Master divisions; 30+ is clearly stupid since this
includes most of the membership. I think 35+ is also too low since
about
half the membership is older than 35 (mean age of 2005 annual members
is
34.7). We have a large number of members that we are not really
offering a
good product to; older lower category riders. 40+ makes the most
sense to
me looking at the demographics of our identified market. Of course
none of
this has anything to do with me being 50+. YMMV
Mike Murray
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</excerpt>
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</excerpt><fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param>Jerald M Powell, AICP
<italic><x-tad-smaller>Community Planning</x-tad-smaller></italic>
1926 SW Madison Street
Portland, OR 97205
503 222 7173
503 799 7823
jpow-@spiritone.com</fontfamily>
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