Patrick wilder
I've been watching this thread all week so now I've got to jump in with my 2 cents. I frequently commute across the St. John's from NW.
Regarding the St. John's Bride:
1. There are signs for bikes to yield to peds on the sidewalk.
2. There are yellow and black signs that say: Bicycles on Bridge
3. There are signs suggesting a 35 mph speed limit.
Look we're not talking about the Hawthorne bridge here, it's not like there are bikes and peds to navigate and pass. I rarely see another cyclist on the St. John's Bridge.
Bridge's are hazards, period. Chose the safest route to get across. Personally, I think the side walk is sufficient as I'm not into dealing with big semi's who are easily exceeding the posted 35 mph speed limit.
jo-@aracnet.com wrote: Mark,
Now you are getting into the realm of "Shcroedinger's Cat"... ;)
Joe 'showing my geekness' Cipale
markjgi-@yahoo.com wrote:
bicyclist live in a strange legal world, we are both vehilces of the
road and sometimes pedestrians.
Sort of like quantum physics where something can be in 2 places at once.
as for sellwood brigde, yes, you can ride on the roadway and signs say
walk on the "sidewalk".
Marl Ginsberg
Steven Mullen wrote:A couple of years ago, I
witnessed a cyclists who rode too close to the concrete railing on the
Sellwood bridge, trying to avoid a pedestrian (me), hit her bar on the
railing, and went flying out into the road. Luckily, the nearest
vehicle was still 50 meters away (a Ross Island Sand and Gravel cement
truck), and I helped her get herself and her bike back out of the
roadway before being hit.
The only way to properly ride across the Sellwood Bridge is in the
roadway. The sidewalks are just too narrow for passing, and I would
recommend obeying the signs that suggest walking your bike, if you wish
to use the sidewalk. Unfortunately, I believe those same signs confuse
motorists, who think that cyclists are SUPPOSED to use the sidewalk.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe, by law, cyclists
are treated as motor vehicles, and are SUPPOSED to use the roadway.
A sign, to that effect (CYCLISTS IN ROADWAY), would probably help a
great deal.
-Steven Mullen.
-----Original Message-----
From: ".David.Auker."
Sent: Dec 11, 2005 8:18 PM
To: cycl-@yahoo.com
Cc: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] St John's
steve truesdale-Digital DJ Ser wrote:
Dave, I meant for this to go to everyone.
When they put those signs up on bridges that have no room like the
Sellwood, they are using us as martyrs. They can just through a few
cyclists out the to get hit so that the public gets in an uproar one
way or the other and the legislature has to come up with the funds so
that "more won't have to die" instead of proactively trying to get the
funds, knowing it will be too hard of a battle and they might loose
some votes for "spending all that tax money on bike riders".
Be a martyr if you want but I would rather live to ride on another
sidewalk and try to get them to do it right the first time.
Life's too short to be always riding on sidewalks (not to mention
annoying the walkers). I'll take my chances on the roadway, when given
the choice. It's not for everyone, though, and I can appreciate that.
However, you've GOT to have some aggressive "in your face" attitude when
riding on any road shared with cars, and looking for too many sidewalks
stiffles efficient journeys across town. It's like living like a
refugee...*
David
*
Somewhere, somehow, somebody must have
Kicked you around some
Who knows, maybe you were kidnapped,
Tied-up, taken away, and held for ransom
Honey, it don?t really matter to me
Baby, everybody?s ha d to fight to be free
You see, you don?t have to live like a refugee
No, you don?t have to live like a refugee
Baby, you don?t have to live like a refugee
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