Oregon Teams by membership

Thomas Hoffman

2006-01-07



Half Fast Velo Races Sober!?!







Thomas Hoffman





-----Original Message-----

From: Ian Leitheiser [mailto:ianv-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:01 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Teams by membership





Well, if you're playing that way, we (Half Fast Velo)

usually have about 12-14 riders sober and ready to

race at any given time.



--- John Forbes <johnf-@msn.com> wrote:



 We, the Fred Meyer riders, have 19 riders on a big

day. Usually we have about 12- 14 riders actually

healthy and in town at any one time.

John Forbes

2126 NE 12th Ave.

Portland, OR 97212

503-331-6658

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Randy Dreiling<mailto:ragg-@yahoo.com>

   To:

theshu-@yahoo.com<mailto:theshu-@yahoo.com>

 ; Cowan-@aol.com<mailto:Cowan-@aol.com> ;

gary.m-@gmail.com<mailto:gary.m-@gmail.com>

 ;

dirt-@clearwire.net<mailto:dirt-@clearwire.net>

 ; ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>

   Cc: cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org>

   Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:12 PM

   Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Teams by

membership





   I love it we (Oregon Adventures) moved up 19 spots

:)

   Randy



   --- Jason Shucker

<theshu-@yahoo.com<mailto:theshu-@yahoo.com>>

 wrote:



   > Fred Meyer's only has 19 riders? I call BS on

that.

   > I demand a recount! Recount, Recount, Recount.



   > The system is flawed!!!

   >    

   >   Shucker

   >

   > Cowan-@aol.com<mailto:Cowan-@aol.com>

wrote:

   >       I'm tired of the Yankees winning. What I

did

   > was take the total number of team BAR points and

   > divided them by the number of racers for each

team

   > (Candi sent out this data separately). This

levels

   > the playing field by weighting the number of

points

   > by the number of riders making it a fair

comparison

   > and a fair competition. This way the teams with

the

   > most riders won't necessarily win the

competition.

   >   

   >    

   >   The OBRA BAR is in the far left column (and

also

   > to the left of the team name), the Rider

Weighted

   > BAR is in the far right column and the teams are

   > sorted by their weighted points. Hats off to

Fred

   > Meyers!

   >    

   >    

   >                       OBRA BAR          Weighted

   > BAR Points    Weighted

   > BAR     2 2   Fred Meyer         624.13        

    

   >   1     20 20 Bike Central            458.23

    

   >         2     32 32 Hayden Frontier        

350.93

   >               3     3 3   BBC/Bike N' Hike     

    

   > 347.53               4     10 10 Team Rubicon

    

   >        270.59               5     29 29 Excel

   > Sports            249.00               6     1

   > Half-Fast Velo          233.76               7



   > 17 17 DeSalvo Cycles          222.07          

    

   > 8     22 22 Lowes/Drilex           198.46     

    

   >      9     12 12 Cycle Analysis         

193.05   

   >          10     4 4   Team Oregon        

150.03   

   >          11     7 7   Veloshop           145.99

    

   >         12     25 25 Gentle Lovers          

   > 135.56             13     5 5   EWEB Windpower

    

   >     135.42             14     21 21 Paul's

Bicycle

   > Way of Life       135.20             15     11

11

   > Sunnyside Sports          127.17             16

   

   > 44 44 Team Clif Bar          126.33           

17

   >     45 379

   >           126.33             18     15 15 Team

   > Rose City          120.47             19     39

39

   > Oregon Adventures         119.33             20

   

   > 14 14 Columbia River Velo       116.50        

    

   > 21     26 26 Guinness Cycling         112.53

    

   >       22     9 9   Hutch's Bend           

110.66

   >           23     19 19 Sorella Forte          

   > 109.22             24     16 16 NoMad Sports

Club

   >        104.64             25     13 13

   > Bicycleattorney.com       104.24             26

   

   > 23 23 The Bike Peddler            103.08      

    

   >   27     40 40 Tireless Velo         102.83   

    

   >      28     18 18 Team S&M            100.34

    

   >       29     30 30 veloce/felt          96.54

    

   >        30     37 37 The Valley Athletic

Club/CBC

   > Racing        94.63             31     24 24

   > Therapeutic Associates         88.27            

32

   >    8 8   Hutch's Eugene           84.65        

    

   > 33     42 42 Cedar Mill Velo         79.29    

    

   >     34     33 33

   > Collin's/Specialized           72.69           

35

   >     34 34 MAC           67.52             36



   > 36 36 Webcyclery           61.62            

37   

   > 48 48 Team Bridge City            56.33      

    

   >   38     46 46 Los Ciclistas           53.71

    

   >       39     27 27 Disco Velo           53.23

    

   >        40     31 31 Cyclesport           52.86

    

   >         41     49 49 ETNA Brewing            

   > 52.33             42     28 28 NRR-Bad Boyz

Bikes

   >        51.74             43     35 35 Casa

Bruno

   >         51.25             44     38 38

   > bike/Hincapie            46.85             45   

41

   > 41 Gateway/Speedzone          42.69           

46

   >     43 43 REI/Novara           37.55          



   > 47     47 47 GS Camerati          36.10       

    

   > 48     50 50 Capitol Velo             29.47

    

   >       49     54 54 Team Air Force          

20.67

   >            50     51 51 Wheelworks          

18.22

   >             51     55 55 Companion Pet Clinic

    

   >     18.00   

   >           52     52 52 343 Racing          

12.50

   >            53     53 53 Wheelsport         

10.78

   >            54     6 6   Huntair             56

56

   > Simple Cycling                          Notes:

Did

   > not have riders for Huntair or Simple Cycling   



   > Forza Jet not included in Half Fast since number

of

   > riders were not included in data set

   >

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   >   

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2006-01-06





Well, if you're playing that way, we (Half Fast Velo)

usually have about 12-14 riders sober and ready to

race at any given time.



--- John Forbes <johnf-@msn.com> wrote:



 We, the Fred Meyer riders, have 19 riders on a big

day. Usually we have about 12- 14 riders actually

healthy and in town at any one time.

John Forbes

2126 NE 12th Ave.

Portland, OR 97212

503-331-6658

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Randy Dreiling<mailto:ragg-@yahoo.com>

   To:

theshu-@yahoo.com<mailto:theshu-@yahoo.com>

 ; Cowan-@aol.com<mailto:Cowan-@aol.com> ;

gary.m-@gmail.com<mailto:gary.m-@gmail.com>

 ;

dirt-@clearwire.net<mailto:dirt-@clearwire.net>

 ; ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>

   Cc: cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org>

   Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:12 PM

   Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Teams by

membership





   I love it we (Oregon Adventures) moved up 19 spots

:)

   Randy



   --- Jason Shucker

<theshu-@yahoo.com<mailto:theshu-@yahoo.com>>

 wrote:



   > Fred Meyer's only has 19 riders? I call BS on

that.

   > I demand a recount! Recount, Recount, Recount.



   > The system is flawed!!!

   >    

   >   Shucker

   >

   > Cowan-@aol.com<mailto:Cowan-@aol.com>

wrote:

   >       I'm tired of the Yankees winning. What I

did

   > was take the total number of team BAR points and

   > divided them by the number of racers for each

team

   > (Candi sent out this data separately). This

levels

   > the playing field by weighting the number of

points

   > by the number of riders making it a fair

comparison

   > and a fair competition. This way the teams with

the

   > most riders won't necessarily win the

competition.

   >   

   >    

   >   The OBRA BAR is in the far left column (and

also

   > to the left of the team name), the Rider

Weighted

   > BAR is in the far right column and the teams are

   > sorted by their weighted points. Hats off to

Fred

   > Meyers!

   >    

   >    

   >                       OBRA BAR          Weighted

   > BAR Points    Weighted

   > BAR     2 2   Fred Meyer         624.13        

    

   >   1     20 20 Bike Central            458.23

    

   >         2     32 32 Hayden Frontier        

350.93

   >               3     3 3   BBC/Bike N' Hike     

    

   > 347.53               4     10 10 Team Rubicon

    

   >        270.59               5     29 29 Excel

   > Sports            249.00               6     1

   > Half-Fast Velo          233.76               7



   > 17 17 DeSalvo Cycles          222.07          

    

   > 8     22 22 Lowes/Drilex           198.46     

    

   >      9     12 12 Cycle Analysis         

193.05   

   >          10     4 4   Team Oregon        

150.03   

   >          11     7 7   Veloshop           145.99

    

   >         12     25 25 Gentle Lovers          

   > 135.56             13     5 5   EWEB Windpower

    

   >     135.42             14     21 21 Paul's

Bicycle

   > Way of Life       135.20             15     11

11

   > Sunnyside Sports          127.17             16

   

   > 44 44 Team Clif Bar          126.33           

17

   >     45 379

   >           126.33             18     15 15 Team

   > Rose City          120.47             19     39

39

   > Oregon Adventures         119.33             20

   

   > 14 14 Columbia River Velo       116.50        

    

   > 21     26 26 Guinness Cycling         112.53

    

   >       22     9 9   Hutch's Bend           

110.66

   >           23     19 19 Sorella Forte          

   > 109.22             24     16 16 NoMad Sports

Club

   >        104.64             25     13 13

   > Bicycleattorney.com       104.24             26

   

   > 23 23 The Bike Peddler            103.08      

    

   >   27     40 40 Tireless Velo         102.83   

    

   >      28     18 18 Team S&M            100.34

    

   >       29     30 30 veloce/felt          96.54

    

   >        30     37 37 The Valley Athletic

Club/CBC

   > Racing        94.63             31     24 24

   > Therapeutic Associates         88.27            

32

   >    8 8   Hutch's Eugene           84.65        

    

   > 33     42 42 Cedar Mill Velo         79.29    

    

   >     34     33 33

   > Collin's/Specialized           72.69           

35

   >     34 34 MAC           67.52             36



   > 36 36 Webcyclery           61.62            

37   

   > 48 48 Team Bridge City            56.33      

    

   >   38     46 46 Los Ciclistas           53.71

    

   >       39     27 27 Disco Velo           53.23

    

   >        40     31 31 Cyclesport           52.86

    

   >         41     49 49 ETNA Brewing            

   > 52.33             42     28 28 NRR-Bad Boyz

Bikes

   >        51.74             43     35 35 Casa

Bruno

   >         51.25             44     38 38

   > bike/Hincapie            46.85             45   

41

   > 41 Gateway/Speedzone          42.69           

46

   >     43 43 REI/Novara           37.55          



   > 47     47 47 GS Camerati          36.10       

    

   > 48     50 50 Capitol Velo             29.47

    

   >       49     54 54 Team Air Force          

20.67

   >            50     51 51 Wheelworks          

18.22

   >             51     55 55 Companion Pet Clinic

    

   >     18.00   

   >           52     52 52 343 Racing          

12.50

   >            53     53 53 Wheelsport         

10.78

   >            54     6 6   Huntair             56

56

   > Simple Cycling                          Notes:

Did

   > not have riders for Huntair or Simple Cycling   



   > Forza Jet not included in Half Fast since number

of

   > riders were not included in data set

   >

   > To respond to the whole group send to

   > ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>. To

respond to the list manager

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Yes - Fred Meyer's only has 19 riders - they just lapped you three times

each race, so it seems like they have 57 riders!





Jason Shucker wrote:

 Fred Meyer's only has 19 riders? I call BS on that. I demand a

recount! Recount, Recount, Recount. The system is flawed!!!

    

   Shucker



Cowan-@aol.com wrote:

       I'm tired of the Yankees winning. What I did was take the total number

       of team BAR points and divided them by the number of racers for each

       team (Candi sent out this data separately). This levels the playing

       field by weighting the number of points by the number of riders making

       it a fair comparison and a fair competition. This way the teams with

       the most riders won't necessarily win the competition.     

    

   The OBRA BAR is in the far left column (and also to the left of the team

   name), the Rider Weighted BAR is in the far right column and the teams

   are sorted by their weighted points. Hats off to Fred Meyers!

    

    

                       OBRA BAR          Weighted

BAR Points    Weighted

BAR     2 2   Fred Meyer         624.13               1     20 20

Bike Central            458.23               2     32 32 Hayden

Frontier         350.93               3     3 3   BBC/Bike N' Hike      

      347.53               4     10 10 Team Rubicon            270.59   

             5     29 29 Excel Sports            249.00               6

     1 Half-Fast Velo          233.76               7     17 17

DeSalvo Cycles          222.07               8     22 22 Lowes/Drilex

          198.46               9     12 12 Cycle Analysis          

193.05             10     4 4   Team Oregon         150.03             

11     7 7   Veloshop           145.99             12     25 25

Gentle Lovers           135.56             13     5 5   EWEB Windpower

         135.42             14     21 21 Paul's Bicycle Way of Life     

   135.20             15     11 11 Sunnyside Sports          127.17     

         16     44 44 Team Clif Bar          126.33             17     

45 379

           126.33             18     15 15 Team Rose City          120.47         

               19     39 39 Oregon Adventures         119.33             20     

           14 14 Columbia River Velo       116.50             21     26 26

           Guinness Cycling         112.53             22     9 9   Hutch's Bend   

                    110.66             23     19 19 Sorella Forte           

           109.22             24     16 16 NoMad Sports Club         104.64       

                 25     13 13 Bicycleattorney.com       104.24             26     

           23 23 The Bike Peddler            103.08             27     40 40

           Tireless Velo         102.83             28     18 18 Team S&M         

              100.34             29     30 30 veloce/felt          96.54          

              30     37 37 The Valley Athletic Club/CBC Racing        94.63       

                 31     24 24 Therapeutic Associates         88.27             32

               8 8   Hutch's Eugene           84.65             33     42 42

           Cedar Mill Velo         79.29             34     33 33

Collin's/Specialized           72.69             35     34 34 MAC      

       67.52             36     36 36 Webcyclery           61.62         

      37     48 48 Team Bridge City            56.33             38     

46 46 Los Ciclistas           53.71             39     27 27 Disco

Velo           53.23             40     31 31 Cyclesport           

52.86             41     49 49 ETNA Brewing             52.33          

     42     28 28 NRR-Bad Boyz Bikes         51.74             43     35

   35 Casa Bruno           51.25             44     38 38 bike/Hincapie

             46.85             45     41 41 Gateway/Speedzone          

42.69             46     43 43 REI/Novara           37.55             

47     47 47 GS Camerati          36.10             48     50 50

Capitol Velo             29.47             49     54 54 Team Air Force

            20.67             50     51 51 Wheelworks           18.22    

           51     55 55 Companion Pet Clinic          18.00   

           52     52 52 343 Racing           12.50             53     53 53

           Wheelsport          10.78             54     6 6   Huntair             

           56 56 Simple Cycling                          Notes: Did not have

           riders for Huntair or Simple Cycling      Forza Jet not included in Half

           Fast since number of riders were not included in data set



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JOHN FORBES

2006-01-04

We, the Fred Meyer riders, have 19 riders on a big day. Usually we have about 12- 14 riders actually healthy and in town at any one time.

John Forbes

2126 NE 12th Ave.

Portland, OR 97212

503-331-6658

----- Original Message -----

From: Randy Dreiling<mailto:ragg-@yahoo.com>

To: theshu-@yahoo.com<mailto:theshu-@yahoo.com> ; Cowan-@aol.com<mailto:Cowan-@aol.com> ; gary.m-@gmail.com<mailto:gary.m-@gmail.com> ; dirt-@clearwire.net<mailto:dirt-@clearwire.net> ; ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>

Cc: cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org>

Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:12 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Teams by membership





I love it we (Oregon Adventures) moved up 19 spots :)

Randy



--- Jason Shucker <theshu-@yahoo.com<mailto:theshu-@yahoo.com>> wrote:



> Fred Meyer's only has 19 riders? I call BS on that.

> I demand a recount! Recount, Recount, Recount.

> The system is flawed!!!

>    

>   Shucker

>

> Cowan-@aol.com<mailto:Cowan-@aol.com> wrote:

>       I'm tired of the Yankees winning. What I did

> was take the total number of team BAR points and

> divided them by the number of racers for each team

> (Candi sent out this data separately). This levels

> the playing field by weighting the number of points

> by the number of riders making it a fair comparison

> and a fair competition. This way the teams with the

> most riders won't necessarily win the competition.

>   

>    

>   The OBRA BAR is in the far left column (and also

> to the left of the team name), the Rider Weighted

> BAR is in the far right column and the teams are

> sorted by their weighted points. Hats off to Fred

> Meyers!

>    

>    

>                       OBRA BAR          Weighted

> BAR Points    Weighted

> BAR     2 2   Fred Meyer         624.13            

>   1     20 20 Bike Central            458.23      

>         2     32 32 Hayden Frontier         350.93

>               3     3 3   BBC/Bike N' Hike         

> 347.53               4     10 10 Team Rubicon    

>        270.59               5     29 29 Excel

> Sports            249.00               6     1

> Half-Fast Velo          233.76               7    

> 17 17 DeSalvo Cycles          222.07              

> 8     22 22 Lowes/Drilex           198.46         

>      9     12 12 Cycle Analysis          193.05   

>          10     4 4   Team Oregon         150.03   

>          11     7 7   Veloshop           145.99    

>         12     25 25 Gentle Lovers          

> 135.56             13     5 5   EWEB Windpower     

>     135.42             14     21 21 Paul's Bicycle

> Way of Life       135.20             15     11 11

> Sunnyside Sports          127.17             16    

> 44 44 Team Clif Bar          126.33             17

>     45 379

>           126.33             18     15 15 Team

> Rose City          120.47             19     39 39

> Oregon Adventures         119.33             20    

> 14 14 Columbia River Velo       116.50            

> 21     26 26 Guinness Cycling         112.53      

>       22     9 9   Hutch's Bend            110.66

>           23     19 19 Sorella Forte          

> 109.22             24     16 16 NoMad Sports Club

>        104.64             25     13 13

> Bicycleattorney.com       104.24             26    

> 23 23 The Bike Peddler            103.08          

>   27     40 40 Tireless Velo         102.83       

>      28     18 18 Team S&M            100.34      

>       29     30 30 veloce/felt          96.54     

>        30     37 37 The Valley Athletic Club/CBC

> Racing        94.63             31     24 24

> Therapeutic Associates         88.27             32

>    8 8   Hutch's Eugene           84.65            

> 33     42 42 Cedar Mill Velo         79.29        

>     34     33 33

> Collin's/Specialized           72.69             35

>     34 34 MAC           67.52             36    

> 36 36 Webcyclery           61.62             37   

> 48 48 Team Bridge City            56.33          

>   38     46 46 Los Ciclistas           53.71      

>       39     27 27 Disco Velo           53.23     

>        40     31 31 Cyclesport           52.86    

>         41     49 49 ETNA Brewing            

> 52.33             42     28 28 NRR-Bad Boyz Bikes

>        51.74             43     35 35 Casa Bruno

>         51.25             44     38 38

> bike/Hincapie            46.85             45     41

> 41 Gateway/Speedzone          42.69             46

>     43 43 REI/Novara           37.55            

> 47     47 47 GS Camerati          36.10           

> 48     50 50 Capitol Velo             29.47      

>       49     54 54 Team Air Force           20.67

>            50     51 51 Wheelworks           18.22

>             51     55 55 Companion Pet Clinic     

>     18.00   

>           52     52 52 343 Racing           12.50

>            53     53 53 Wheelsport          10.78

>            54     6 6   Huntair             56 56

> Simple Cycling                          Notes: Did

> not have riders for Huntair or Simple Cycling     

> Forza Jet not included in Half Fast since number of

> riders were not included in data set

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Randy Dreiling

2006-01-04



I love it we (Oregon Adventures) moved up 19 spots :)

Randy



--- Jason Shucker <theshu-@yahoo.com> wrote:



 Fred Meyer's only has 19 riders? I call BS on that.

I demand a recount! Recount, Recount, Recount.

The system is flawed!!!

    

   Shucker



Cowan-@aol.com wrote:

       I'm tired of the Yankees winning. What I did

was take the total number of team BAR points and

divided them by the number of racers for each team

(Candi sent out this data separately). This levels

the playing field by weighting the number of points

by the number of riders making it a fair comparison

and a fair competition. This way the teams with the

most riders won't necessarily win the competition.

   

    

   The OBRA BAR is in the far left column (and also

to the left of the team name), the Rider Weighted

BAR is in the far right column and the teams are

sorted by their weighted points. Hats off to Fred

Meyers!

    

    

                       OBRA BAR          Weighted

BAR Points    Weighted

BAR     2 2   Fred Meyer         624.13            

   1     20 20 Bike Central            458.23      

         2     32 32 Hayden Frontier         350.93

               3     3 3   BBC/Bike N' Hike         

347.53               4     10 10 Team Rubicon    

        270.59               5     29 29 Excel

Sports            249.00               6     1

Half-Fast Velo          233.76               7    

17 17 DeSalvo Cycles          222.07              

8     22 22 Lowes/Drilex           198.46         

      9     12 12 Cycle Analysis          193.05   

          10     4 4   Team Oregon         150.03   

          11     7 7   Veloshop           145.99    

         12     25 25 Gentle Lovers          

135.56             13     5 5   EWEB Windpower     

     135.42             14     21 21 Paul's Bicycle

Way of Life       135.20             15     11 11

Sunnyside Sports          127.17             16    

44 44 Team Clif Bar          126.33             17

     45 379

           126.33             18     15 15 Team

Rose City          120.47             19     39 39

Oregon Adventures         119.33             20    

14 14 Columbia River Velo       116.50            

21     26 26 Guinness Cycling         112.53      

       22     9 9   Hutch's Bend            110.66

           23     19 19 Sorella Forte          

109.22             24     16 16 NoMad Sports Club

        104.64             25     13 13

Bicycleattorney.com       104.24             26    

23 23 The Bike Peddler            103.08          

   27     40 40 Tireless Velo         102.83       

      28     18 18 Team S&M            100.34      

       29     30 30 veloce/felt          96.54     

        30     37 37 The Valley Athletic Club/CBC

Racing        94.63             31     24 24

Therapeutic Associates         88.27             32

    8 8   Hutch's Eugene           84.65            

33     42 42 Cedar Mill Velo         79.29        

     34     33 33

Collin's/Specialized           72.69             35

     34 34 MAC           67.52             36    

36 36 Webcyclery           61.62             37   

48 48 Team Bridge City            56.33          

   38     46 46 Los Ciclistas           53.71      

       39     27 27 Disco Velo           53.23     

        40     31 31 Cyclesport           52.86    

         41     49 49 ETNA Brewing            

52.33             42     28 28 NRR-Bad Boyz Bikes

        51.74             43     35 35 Casa Bruno

         51.25             44     38 38

bike/Hincapie            46.85             45     41

41 Gateway/Speedzone          42.69             46

     43 43 REI/Novara           37.55            

47     47 47 GS Camerati          36.10           

48     50 50 Capitol Velo             29.47      

       49     54 54 Team Air Force           20.67

            50     51 51 Wheelworks           18.22

             51     55 55 Companion Pet Clinic     

     18.00   

           52     52 52 343 Racing           12.50

            53     53 53 Wheelsport          10.78

            54     6 6   Huntair             56 56

Simple Cycling                          Notes: Did

not have riders for Huntair or Simple Cycling     

Forza Jet not included in Half Fast since number of

riders were not included in data set



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Jason Shucker

2006-01-04

Fred Meyer's only has 19 riders? I call BS on that. I demand a recount! Recount, Recount, Recount. The system is flawed!!!

   

Shucker



Cowan-@aol.com wrote:

      I'm tired of the Yankees winning. What I did was take the total number of team BAR points and divided them by the number of racers for each team (Candi sent out this data separately). This levels the playing field by weighting the number of points by the number of riders making it a fair comparison and a fair competition. This way the teams with the most riders won't necessarily win the competition.     

   

The OBRA BAR is in the far left column (and also to the left of the team name), the Rider Weighted BAR is in the far right column and the teams are sorted by their weighted points. Hats off to Fred Meyers!

   

   

                      OBRA BAR          Weighted

BAR Points    Weighted

BAR     2 2   Fred Meyer         624.13               1     20 20 Bike Central            458.23               2     32 32 Hayden Frontier         350.93               3     3 3   BBC/Bike N' Hike           347.53               4     10 10 Team Rubicon            270.59               5     29 29 Excel Sports            249.00               6     1 Half-Fast Velo          233.76               7     17 17 DeSalvo Cycles          222.07               8     22 22 Lowes/Drilex           198.46               9     12 12 Cycle Analysis          193.05             10     4 4   Team Oregon         150.03             11     7 7   Veloshop           145.99             12     25 25 Gentle Lovers           135.56             13     5 5   EWEB Windpower          135.42             14     21 21 Paul's Bicycle Way of Life       135.20             15     11 11 Sunnyside Sports          127.17             16     44 44 Team Clif Bar          126.33             17     45 379

          126.33             18     15 15 Team Rose City          120.47             19     39 39 Oregon Adventures         119.33             20     14 14 Columbia River Velo       116.50             21     26 26 Guinness Cycling         112.53             22     9 9   Hutch's Bend            110.66             23     19 19 Sorella Forte           109.22             24     16 16 NoMad Sports Club         104.64             25     13 13 Bicycleattorney.com       104.24             26     23 23 The Bike Peddler            103.08             27     40 40 Tireless Velo         102.83             28     18 18 Team S&M            100.34             29     30 30 veloce/felt          96.54             30     37 37 The Valley Athletic Club/CBC Racing        94.63             31     24 24 Therapeutic Associates         88.27             32     8 8   Hutch's Eugene           84.65             33     42 42 Cedar Mill Velo         79.29             34     33 33

Collin's/Specialized           72.69             35     34 34 MAC           67.52             36     36 36 Webcyclery           61.62             37     48 48 Team Bridge City            56.33             38     46 46 Los Ciclistas           53.71             39     27 27 Disco Velo           53.23             40     31 31 Cyclesport           52.86             41     49 49 ETNA Brewing             52.33             42     28 28 NRR-Bad Boyz Bikes         51.74             43     35 35 Casa Bruno           51.25             44     38 38 bike/Hincapie            46.85             45     41 41 Gateway/Speedzone          42.69             46     43 43 REI/Novara           37.55             47     47 47 GS Camerati          36.10             48     50 50 Capitol Velo             29.47             49     54 54 Team Air Force           20.67             50     51 51 Wheelworks           18.22             51     55 55 Companion Pet Clinic          18.00   

          52     52 52 343 Racing           12.50             53     53 53 Wheelsport          10.78             54     6 6   Huntair             56 56 Simple Cycling                          Notes: Did not have riders for Huntair or Simple Cycling      Forza Jet not included in Half Fast since number of riders were not included in data set



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2006-01-04

hah,

i knew sunnyside was better than hutches!

naner, naner, naaaner...:)

----- Original Message -----

From: Cowan-@aol.com

To: gary.m-@gmail.com ; dirt-@clearwire.net ; ob-@topica.com

Cc: cmur-@obra.org

Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:18 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Teams by membership





I'm tired of the Yankees winning. What I did was take the total number of team BAR points and divided them by the number of racers for each team (Candi sent out this data separately). This levels the playing field by weighting the number of points by the number of riders making it a fair comparison and a fair competition. This way the teams with the most riders won't necessarily win the competition.     



The OBRA BAR is in the far left column (and also to the left of the team name), the Rider Weighted BAR is in the far right column and the teams are sorted by their weighted points. Hats off to Fred Meyers!





        OBRA BAR      Weighted

        BAR Points   Weighted

        BAR

        2 2   Fred Meyer       624.13              1

        20 20 Bike Central          458.23              2

        32 32 Hayden Frontier       350.93              3

        3 3   BBC/Bike N' Hike         347.53              4

        10 10 Team Rubicon          270.59              5

        29 29 Excel Sports          249.00              6

        1 Half-Fast Velo        233.76              7

        17 17 DeSalvo Cycles        222.07              8

        22 22 Lowes/Drilex         198.46              9

        12 12 Cycle Analysis        193.05            10

        4 4   Team Oregon       150.03            11

        7 7   Veloshop         145.99            12

        25 25 Gentle Lovers         135.56            13

        5 5   EWEB Windpower        135.42            14

        21 21 Paul's Bicycle Way of Life      135.20            15

        11 11 Sunnyside Sports         127.17            16

        44 44 Team Clif Bar        126.33            17

        45 379       126.33            18

        15 15 Team Rose City        120.47            19

        39 39 Oregon Adventures        119.33            20

        14 14 Columbia River Velo      116.50            21

        26 26 Guinness Cycling       112.53            22

        9 9   Hutch's Bend          110.66            23

        19 19 Sorella Forte         109.22            24

        16 16 NoMad Sports Club        104.64            25

        13 13 Bicycleattorney.com      104.24            26

        23 23 The Bike Peddler          103.08            27

        40 40 Tireless Velo       102.83            28

        18 18 Team S&M          100.34            29

        30 30 veloce/felt        96.54            30

        37 37 The Valley Athletic Club/CBC Racing       94.63            31

        24 24 Therapeutic Associates        88.27            32

        8 8   Hutch's Eugene         84.65            33

        42 42 Cedar Mill Velo       79.29            34

        33 33 Collin's/Specialized          72.69            35

        34 34 MAC        67.52            36

        36 36 Webcyclery         61.62            37

        48 48 Team Bridge City          56.33            38

        46 46 Los Ciclistas         53.71            39

        27 27 Disco Velo         53.23            40

        31 31 Cyclesport         52.86            41

        49 49 ETNA Brewing           52.33            42

        28 28 NRR-Bad Boyz Bikes        51.74            43

        35 35 Casa Bruno         51.25            44

        38 38 bike/Hincapie          46.85            45

        41 41 Gateway/Speedzone         42.69            46

        43 43 REI/Novara         37.55            47

        47 47 GS Camerati        36.10            48

        50 50 Capitol Velo           29.47            49

        54 54 Team Air Force         20.67            50

        51 51 Wheelworks         18.22            51

        55 55 Companion Pet Clinic         18.00            52

        52 52 343 Racing         12.50            53

        53 53 Wheelsport        10.78            54

        6 6   Huntair      

        56 56 Simple Cycling      

            

        Notes: Did not have riders for Huntair or Simple Cycling

        Forza Jet not included in Half Fast since number of riders were not included in data set



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RCJoh-@attglobal.net

2006-01-04



Too right. 'Cause really you should also account for all the riders

ages and genders too.

The art of statistics - just keep messaging the numbers until you get a

result you like.



Rick



J.Michael Manning wrote:



 

And I guess the next step is to do a calculation on how many team

members competed in at least 5 races, or maybe we should make it an

even dozen to make the stats more accurate. And while you're at it,

why don't you tell us how many of those races had enough entrants to

qualify for category upgrade... Ad infinitum. Ad nauseum.

J.Michael Manning



 From: Cowan-@aol.com

Reply-To: Cowan-@aol.com

To: gary.m-@gmail.com, dirt-@clearwire.net, ob-@topica.com

CC: cmur-@obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Teams by membership

Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:18:09 EST



I'm tired of the Yankees winning. What I did was take the total

number of

team BAR points and divided them by the number of racers for each

team (Candi

sent out this data separately). This levels the playing field by

weighting the

number of points by the number of riders making it a fair comparison

and a

fair competition. This way the teams with the most riders won't

necessarily win

the competition.



The OBRA BAR is in the far left column (and also to the left of the team

name), the Rider Weighted BAR is in the far right column and the

teams are sorted

by their weighted points. Hats off to Fred Meyers!





OBRA BAR Weighted

BAR Points Weighted

BAR

22   Fred Meyer     624.13             1

2020 Bike Central        458.23             2

3232 Hayden Frontier     350.93             3

33   BBC/Bike N' Hike       347.53             4

1010 Team Rubicon        270.59             5

2929 Excel Sports        249.00             6

1Half-Fast Velo      233.76             7

1717 DeSalvo Cycles      222.07             8

2222 Lowes/Drilex       198.46             9

1212 Cycle Analysis      193.05           10

44   Team Oregon     150.03           11

77   Veloshop       145.99           12

2525 Gentle Lovers       135.56           13

55   EWEB Windpower      135.42           14

2121 Paul's Bicycle Way of Life     135.20           15

1111 Sunnyside Sports        127.17           16

4444 Team Clif Bar      126.33           17

45379    126.33           18

1515 Team Rose City      120.47           19

3939 Oregon Adventures       119.33           20

1414 Columbia River Velo     116.50           21

2626 Guinness Cycling     112.53           22

99   Hutch's Bend        110.66           23

1919 Sorella Forte       109.22           24

1616 NoMad Sports Club       104.64           25

1313 Bicycleattorney.com     104.24           26

2323 The Bike Peddler        103.08           27

4040 Tireless Velo     102.83           28

1818 Team S&M        100.34           29

3030 veloce/felt      96.54           30

3737 The Valley Athletic Club/CBC Racing      94.63           31

2424 Therapeutic Associates       88.27           32

88   Hutch's Eugene       84.65           33

4242 Cedar Mill Velo     79.29           34

3333 Collin's/Specialized         72.69           35

3434 MAC     67.52           36

3636 Webcyclery       61.62           37

4848 Team Bridge City        56.33           38

4646 Los Ciclistas       53.71           39

2727 Disco Velo       53.23           40

3131 Cyclesport       52.86           41

4949 ETNA Brewing         52.33           42

2828 NRR-Bad Boyz Bikes       51.74           43

3535 Casa Bruno       51.25           44

3838 bike/Hincapie        46.85           45

4141 Gateway/Speedzone        42.69           46

4343 REI/Novara       37.55           47

4747 GS Camerati      36.10           48

5050 Capitol Velo         29.47           49

5454 Team Air Force       20.67           50

5151 Wheelworks       18.22           51

5555 Companion Pet Clinic        18.00           52

5252 343 Racing       12.50           53

5353 Wheelsport      10.78           54

66   Huntair

5656 Simple Cycling



Notes: Did not have riders for Huntair or Simple Cycling

Forza Jet not included in Half Fast since number of riders were not

included

in data set



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2006-01-04





And I guess the next step is to do a calculation on how many team members

competed in at least 5 races, or maybe we should make it an even dozen to

make the stats more accurate. And while you're at it, why don't you tell us

how many of those races had enough entrants to qualify for category

upgrade... Ad infinitum. Ad nauseum.

J.Michael Manning



 From: Cowan-@aol.com

Reply-To: Cowan-@aol.com

To: gary.m-@gmail.com, dirt-@clearwire.net, ob-@topica.com

CC: cmur-@obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Teams by membership

Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:18:09 EST



I'm tired of the Yankees winning. What I did was take the total number of

team BAR points and divided them by the number of racers for each team

(Candi

sent out this data separately). This levels the playing field by weighting

the

number of points by the number of riders making it a fair comparison and a

fair competition. This way the teams with the most riders won't

necessarily win

the competition.



The OBRA BAR is in the far left column (and also to the left of the team

name), the Rider Weighted BAR is in the far right column and the teams are

sorted

by their weighted points. Hats off to Fred Meyers!





OBRA BAR Weighted

BAR Points Weighted

BAR

22   Fred Meyer     624.13             1

2020 Bike Central        458.23             2

3232 Hayden Frontier     350.93             3

33   BBC/Bike N' Hike       347.53             4

1010 Team Rubicon        270.59             5

2929 Excel Sports        249.00             6

1Half-Fast Velo      233.76             7

1717 DeSalvo Cycles      222.07             8

2222 Lowes/Drilex       198.46             9

1212 Cycle Analysis      193.05           10

44   Team Oregon     150.03           11

77   Veloshop       145.99           12

2525 Gentle Lovers       135.56           13

55   EWEB Windpower      135.42           14

2121 Paul's Bicycle Way of Life     135.20           15

1111 Sunnyside Sports        127.17           16

4444 Team Clif Bar      126.33           17

45379    126.33           18

1515 Team Rose City      120.47           19

3939 Oregon Adventures       119.33           20

1414 Columbia River Velo     116.50           21

2626 Guinness Cycling     112.53           22

99   Hutch's Bend        110.66           23

1919 Sorella Forte       109.22           24

1616 NoMad Sports Club       104.64           25

1313 Bicycleattorney.com     104.24           26

2323 The Bike Peddler        103.08           27

4040 Tireless Velo     102.83           28

1818 Team S&M        100.34           29

3030 veloce/felt      96.54           30

3737 The Valley Athletic Club/CBC Racing      94.63           31

2424 Therapeutic Associates       88.27           32

88   Hutch's Eugene       84.65           33

4242 Cedar Mill Velo     79.29           34

3333 Collin's/Specialized         72.69           35

3434 MAC     67.52           36

3636 Webcyclery       61.62           37

4848 Team Bridge City        56.33           38

4646 Los Ciclistas       53.71           39

2727 Disco Velo       53.23           40

3131 Cyclesport       52.86           41

4949 ETNA Brewing         52.33           42

2828 NRR-Bad Boyz Bikes       51.74           43

3535 Casa Bruno       51.25           44

3838 bike/Hincapie        46.85           45

4141 Gateway/Speedzone        42.69           46

4343 REI/Novara       37.55           47

4747 GS Camerati      36.10           48

5050 Capitol Velo         29.47           49

5454 Team Air Force       20.67           50

5151 Wheelworks       18.22           51

5555 Companion Pet Clinic        18.00           52

5252 343 Racing       12.50           53

5353 Wheelsport      10.78           54

66   Huntair

5656 Simple Cycling



Notes: Did not have riders for Huntair or Simple Cycling

Forza Jet not included in Half Fast since number of riders were not

included

in data set



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Cowan-@aol.com

2006-01-04

I'm tired of the Yankees winning. What I did was take the total number of

team BAR points and divided them by the number of racers for each team (Candi

sent out this data separately). This levels the playing field by weighting the

number of points by the number of riders making it a fair comparison and a

fair competition. This way the teams with the most riders won't necessarily win

the competition.     



The OBRA BAR is in the far left column (and also to the left of the team

name), the Rider Weighted BAR is in the far right column and the teams are sorted

by their weighted points. Hats off to Fred Meyers!





OBRA BAR Weighted

BAR Points Weighted

BAR

22   Fred Meyer     624.13             1

2020 Bike Central        458.23             2

3232 Hayden Frontier     350.93             3

33   BBC/Bike N' Hike       347.53             4

1010 Team Rubicon        270.59             5

2929 Excel Sports        249.00             6

1Half-Fast Velo      233.76             7

1717 DeSalvo Cycles      222.07             8

2222 Lowes/Drilex       198.46             9

1212 Cycle Analysis      193.05           10

44   Team Oregon     150.03           11

77   Veloshop       145.99           12

2525 Gentle Lovers       135.56           13

55   EWEB Windpower      135.42           14

2121 Paul's Bicycle Way of Life     135.20           15

1111 Sunnyside Sports        127.17           16

4444 Team Clif Bar      126.33           17

45379    126.33           18

1515 Team Rose City      120.47           19

3939 Oregon Adventures       119.33           20

1414 Columbia River Velo     116.50           21

2626 Guinness Cycling     112.53           22

99   Hutch's Bend        110.66           23

1919 Sorella Forte       109.22           24

1616 NoMad Sports Club       104.64           25

1313 Bicycleattorney.com     104.24           26

2323 The Bike Peddler        103.08           27

4040 Tireless Velo     102.83           28

1818 Team S&M        100.34           29

3030 veloce/felt      96.54           30

3737 The Valley Athletic Club/CBC Racing      94.63           31

2424 Therapeutic Associates       88.27           32

88   Hutch's Eugene       84.65           33

4242 Cedar Mill Velo     79.29           34

3333 Collin's/Specialized         72.69           35

3434 MAC     67.52           36

3636 Webcyclery       61.62           37

4848 Team Bridge City        56.33           38

4646 Los Ciclistas       53.71           39

2727 Disco Velo       53.23           40

3131 Cyclesport       52.86           41

4949 ETNA Brewing         52.33           42

2828 NRR-Bad Boyz Bikes       51.74           43

3535 Casa Bruno       51.25           44

3838 bike/Hincapie        46.85           45

4141 Gateway/Speedzone        42.69           46

4343 REI/Novara       37.55           47

4747 GS Camerati      36.10           48

5050 Capitol Velo         29.47           49

5454 Team Air Force       20.67           50

5151 Wheelworks       18.22           51

5555 Companion Pet Clinic        18.00           52

5252 343 Racing       12.50           53

5353 Wheelsport      10.78           54

66   Huntair

5656 Simple Cycling



Notes: Did not have riders for Huntair or Simple Cycling

Forza Jet not included in Half Fast since number of riders were not included

in data set



steve garcia

2005-12-24

Hey, how did that Bike Central team do so well? Didn't they only have 7 racers and don't they just ride the track? What's up with that? I demand a recount!



Gary Malcolm <gary.m-@gmail.com> wrote: Rich does have a bit of a point.



A team like Fred Meyer would really stand out with his method. A more balanced approach might be to take the top 3 team members from each Category on BAR points and then add those all up. This would allow smaller teams their day in the sun as well as promote competition at all levels.



On the other hand... I just think it's pretty darn cool that we have these kick ass teams!



Gary Malcolm



On 12/23/05, david baker < dirt-@clearwire.net> wrote:    Yeah,

and then we could have diffrerent team classifications for averages of age and ability, oh and discipline.

Candy, got some time to kill?

But really I think you would see a lot of smaller teams, and that would not help anything.

Barry Wicks could start his own one man team and have the highest average. People would start teams that only had members that scored well, kind of killing the team spirit theory, were not pro right?

      ----- Original Message -----

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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Teams by membership





Since you have team points and team members per team, a more meaningful team comparison than the team BAR would be average points per team member (Total Team Points / Members per Team), then rank the teams. This would put all teams on equal footing and level the playing field.

   

Rich



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Gary Malcolm

2005-12-24

Rich does have a bit of a point.



A team like Fred Meyer would really stand out with his method. A more

balanced approach might be to take the top 3 team members from each Category

on BAR points and then add those all up. This would allow smaller teams

their day in the sun as well as promote competition at all levels.



On the other hand... I just think it's pretty darn cool that we have these

kick ass teams!



Gary Malcolm



On 12/23/05, david baker <dirt-@clearwire.net> wrote:

 

Yeah,

and then we could have diffrerent team classifications for averages of age

and ability, oh and discipline.

Candy, got some time to kill?

But really I think you would see a lot of smaller teams, and that would

not help anything.

Barry Wicks could start his own one man team and have the highest

average. People would start teams that only had members that scored well,

kind of killing the team spirit theory, were not pro right?



----- Original Message -----

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*Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Teams by membership



Since you have team points and team members per team, a more meaningful

team comparison than the team BAR would be average points per team member

(Total Team Points / Members per Team), then rank the teams. This would put

all teams on equal footing and level the playing field.



Rich



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Yeah,

and then we could have diffrerent team classifications

for averages of age and ability, oh and discipline.

Candy, got some time to kill?

But really I think you would see a lot of smaller teams, and

that would not help anything.

Barry Wicks could start his own one man team and have the

highest average. People would start teams that only had members that

scored well, kind of killing the team spirit theory, were not pro

right?  

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    Since you have team points and team members per team, a more

meaningful team comparison than the team BAR would be average points

per team member (Total Team Points / Members per Team), then rank the

teams.  This would put all teams on equal footing and level the playing

field.  

     

    Rich 

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david baker

2005-12-23

Yeah,

and then we could have diffrerent team classifications for averages of age and ability, oh and discipline.

Candy, got some time to kill?

But really I think you would see a lot of smaller teams, and that would not help anything.

Barry Wicks could start his own one man team and have the highest average. People would start teams that only had members that scored well, kind of killing the team spirit theory, were not pro right?

----- Original Message -----

From: Cowan-@aol.com

To: cmur-@obra.org ; ob-@topica.com

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 2:35 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Teams by membership





Since you have team points and team members per team, a more meaningful team comparison than the team BAR would be average points per team member (Total Team Points / Members per Team), then rank the teams. This would put all teams on equal footing and level the playing field.



Rich

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Cowan-@aol.com

2005-12-23

Since you have team points and team members per team, a more meaningful team

comparison than the team BAR would be average points per team member (Total

Team Points / Members per Team), then rank the teams. This would put all teams

on equal footing and level the playing field.



Rich



cmur-@obra.org

2005-12-22



Team Oregon 68

EWEB Windpower 54

Half Fast Velo 54

Hutch's Eugene 50

Hutch's Bend 38

veloshop 38

Bicycleattorney.com 34

Emerald Velo 32

BBC 31

Disco Velo 31

NoMad 31

North River Racing 30

Sunnyside Sports 30

Columbia Velo 29

Team S&M 29

Team Rose City 27

Sorella Forte 26

Therapuetic Associates 25

The Bike Peddler 24

Forza Jet 23

Cycle Sport 22

Paul's Bicycle Way of Life 20

Cycle Analysis 19

Fred Meyer 19

Guinness 18

bike/Hincapie 16

Casa Bruno 16

Gentle Lovers 16

Team rubicon 15

DeSalvo Custo Cycles 14

Collin's Cycle 13

Gateway/Speedzone 13

GS Forza -Lowes/Drilex 13

MAC 13

Veloce/Felt 13

Webcyclery 13

343 Racing 12

Broadmark capital 11

Novara/REI 11

GS Camerati 10

Capital Velo 9

Wheelworks 9

The Valley Athletic 8

Cedar Mill Velo 7

Los Ciclistas 7

Bike central 6

Etna Brewing 6

Excel Sports 6

Oregon Adventures 6

Team Bridge City 6

Three River Racing 6

Tireless Racing 6

Headhunters 4

Clif Bar 3

Hayden Frontier 3

Team Air Force 3

Companion Pet Clinic 2



Candi Murray