RE: USCF.. Still

mmur-@teleport.com

2001-05-14

Yes, there is a reciprocal agreement between these organizations. If you

have a membership in one of them you do not need to purchase another

membership to ride in the other organization's races.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: DaViD AuKeR [mailto:Dav-@Hevanet.Com]

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 23:22 PM

To: mmur-@teleport.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USCF.. Still





Mike,



ACA, ABR, OBRA and NCNCA... do they all honor each other's licenses, so

like we OBRAs could race in northern California, and just pay the enty,

no additional license?



David



mmur-@teleport.com

2001-05-12

Brian O'Neal wrote:

"What I would love to see is all the independant associations get together

(FIAC?.. I think that's it) and start holding national championships,"



There have been meetings involving ACA, ABR, OBRA and NCNCA. The

organization Federation of Independent Associations for Cycling (FIAC) was

developed from these meetings. FIAC has incorporated and there was a plan

to eventually host national championships however action has stalled in part

due to the fact that the involved individuals are all very busy with their

respective organizations. This is unfortunate. It is possible that there

may be more movement on this front if USAC is unable to extricate itself

from their current financial difficulties.



Mike Murray



Brian O'Neal

2001-05-11

Well spoken by all. The only thing I can think of to

add would be an idea about the national network that

Emily refered to. In my opinion, one of the very few

things that the USAC has to offer (or has a monopoly

on, more to the point) is the national team and the

national championships. Since OBRA is the Oregon

bicycle racing association, we clearly can't hold our

own national championships. However, OBRA isn't the

only 'renegade' association in the country. What I

would love to see is all the independant associations

get together (FIAC?.. I think that's it) and start

holding national championships, and perhaps even put

together a composite team for the sole purpose of

raining on the USAC's national team's parade. Or for

the purpose of promoting elite level racing, but I

like raining on USAC's parade better.

I imagine I'm not the first one to have this idea. I

also imagine that Mike Murray has even discussed the

possibility with other association representatives.

So, does anyone have any imput on whether this would

work at all, do anything to solve the problem of

regional isolation, halt global warming, or end

mindless rambling in a public chat? (That last part

was aimed at me.. telling me to stop now)

Thanks,

Brian O'Neal



 

I think other people have responded to Emily's note

adequately but I just

wanted to point out that what Emily is complaining

about is really a USAC

problem and not an OBRA problem. USCF could at any

point decide that they

recognize and award upgrades for placing in non-USCF

races that otherwise

meet their distance and field size requirements.

They could also stop

discriminating against riders because of where they

live. (If you think that

is not a problem then talk to Lance Coffel about his

experience...Or maybe

even Steve Larson.)



USAC is in serious financial difficulty. If they

can manage to turn things

around so that they can stop the hemorrhage of

members and events then it is

possible that the could fix their problems but it

looks very unlikely at

this point. Ultimately it appears to me that the

USAC's ship is sinking.

It would do us very little good to attach a line to

them at this point so

that we could get dragged down with them.



I agree with Emily that the elite level racers pay a

price here but it is

important to recognize that the price they pay is

due to the failings of

USAC not because of the success of OBRA. Even though

the elite (or potential

elite) level racers pay a price they also benefit

from the larger number of

races, larger prize lists and decreased membership

and ultimately lower race

entry costs. Even though Emily has not noticed any

"decline in race fees

since OBRA went solo" you can guarantee that would

be increases if we were

to go back to doing USCF events since the costs to

the race organizers will

go up substantially and the number of riders will go

down due to the

increased membership costs.



Having said all this I have to agree that OBRA needs

to do a better job at

encouraging development of elite level riders. Our

current system is heavily

participation based and inclusive rather than

exclusive. This is a good

thing since it has increased the total number of

riders. Currently Oregon

easily has the highest number of bike racers per

capita in the US. The

problem is that the number and quality of lower

category and Masters races

has contributed to the problem of the shrinking of

the Cat. 1/2 fields. To

reverse this trend we need to give riders more

reason to become Cat 1/2

riders, to stay Cat 1/2 riders and to come to the

races that are offered. I

have several ideas about how we can do that. One

big component would be to

stratify prize lists so that Cat 1/2 riders get

substantially more. (Why do

we prize Old Guy races anyhow? Does it do anything

to increase

participation or to help the sport?)



I would love to change this discussion from a rant

for or against USAC and

to a discussion of what we can do to solve our own

problems. It is unlikely

that USAC will be providing us anything other than a

bill in the near

future.



Mike Murray







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