Molteni wins Or Dist Team Time Trial

Dock, Dion

2001-05-22

I have found that an effective way to increase turnout is to ask people to

participate. Putting on a good event for a number of years so it builds a

reputation also works. Sunshine helps.



Pointing fingers and naming names after the fact doesn't seem to work as

well.



-Dion Dock



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Dearest Oregon Peloton,



Where were you? Don't you know how to run a paceline? No.

That is why you didn't show up, to a very well run event that was called

"The

Oregon State Team Time Trial Championship."



<stuff deleted>



stacy and corey peters and stayton

2001-05-21

If you really believe all cat 1-2 riders get, and per sue free

jerseys/stuff you would be mistaken. Yea , these events are great ( TTT )

, but you must remember that there are other objectives such as enumclaw

in washington, a great tune up for nationals ( two of my team-mates are

going to nationals). Granted i am not going to nationals, and i was in

oregon not racing last weekend, this is my choice . I was tired and had

things to do beyond the scope of cycling . I understand your point yet ,

i would press you to refrain from assuming cat 1-2s are on the prowel

for free stuff. I am not , nor are my mates. Should Stacey stay home from

enumclaw and race locally to appease your expectations? I think you are

selfish , and you also assume too much about the aspects of peoples

lives. Lastly, this medium of e-mail is over used , your every thought

DOES NOT need expressing . We all have filters , use it . Think long and

hard about the things you put on your screen and send , especially when

you wield the gavel so readily.





Perhaps i've taken you to seriously, oh well.............Love Corey.







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Dearest Oregon Peloton,



Where were you? Don't you know how to run a paceline? No.

That is why you didn't show up, to a very well run event that was

called "The

Oregon State Team Time Trial Championship."



Only One Team in the Cat 2s, really?



Where were the big teams like S&M, Torrefazione, those PIR crunchin

Camas cat

4s, Steve wright's nike guys etc.



Oh Oregon, please begin to take pride in racing as a team. This is

what will

make our peloton fast, eliminate crashes etc. and not make the pros

laugh at

us in long editorials in velo news.



Cat 2s: if you could just take a break from searching for your next

free

jersey and frameset long enough to call three of your Cat 2 buddies,

then we

could gain an example of smooth working, wind cheating Team Work that

would

encourage us all.

Let's make the Oregon TTT Championship Sacred Lore. Let us see how

smoothly

L.Staley, S. Peters, and E.Thurston, can work together or how fast

C.Stayton,

J.Leonard, and E.Tonkin can go as a TEAM.

That's Velo News.

Best Regards,

The Naked Tifosi



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2001-05-21

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<P>It was a difficult choice that I do not enjoy making, and I say that as one of the few that attended the TT last year, and placed last, but the lure of hard competition in Enumclaw with Prime Alliance and the legendary Svein Tuft won out. It is not for a lack of love for the Oregon racing community. It was not because I am searching for my next free frameset. And, it was not because I am afraid of teamwork. My teamates and I chose to go to Washington because the only way to become a faster, stronger, smarter cyclist is to do hard things with others who are fast, stronger, and smarter. I will most likely miss out on the Oregon State Road Race as well, something I would really like to participate in, but again, a summer racing road trip seems to be the best way to become a faster, stronger, and smarter cyclist. Searching for the next free jersey is a bit thin, it is true, but it is not exclusive from trying to reach the next level of cycling. Fact is, the !

two often go hand in hand.</P>

<P> I would assume that any OBRA member would not want to miss a District event, I know I wouldn't, so it must be a tough choice to make that is not to be taken lightly. To those of you who<BR>made the hard personal choice to drive farther, spend more, and face a greater chance of being dropped, my best regards. And the same regards to those who decided to hone and perfect their TTT skills - it is too bad we couldn't meet in the middle this one time. Usually we do.</P>

<P>Pietro<BR></P></DIV>

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<DIV></DIV>>Dearest Oregon Peloton,

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>Where were you? Don't you know how to run a paceline? No.

<DIV></DIV>>That is why you didn't show up, to a very well run event that was called "The

<DIV></DIV>>Oregon State Team Time Trial Championship."

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>Only One Team in the Cat 2s, really?

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>Where were the big teams like S&M, Torrefazione, those PIR crunchin Camas cat

<DIV></DIV>>4s, Steve wright's nike guys etc.

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>Oh Oregon, please begin to take pride in racing as a team. This is what will

<DIV></DIV>>make our peloton fast, eliminate crashes etc. and not make the pros laugh at

<DIV></DIV>>us in long editorials in velo news.

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>Cat 2s: if you could just take a break from searching for your next free

<DIV></DIV>>jersey and frameset long enough to call three of your Cat 2 buddies, then we

<DIV></DIV>>could gain an example of smooth working, wind cheating Team Work that would

<DIV></DIV>>encourage us all.

<DIV></DIV>>Let's make the Oregon TTT Championship Sacred Lore. Let us see how smoothly

<DIV></DIV>>L.Staley, S. Peters, and E.Thurston, can work together or how fast C.Stayton,

<DIV></DIV>>J.Leonard, and E.Tonkin can go as a TEAM.

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Provencher, Darell

2001-05-21

Can't we all just get along? Let's be GRATEFUL that we are forced to deal

with schedule conflicts as opposed to having little or no schedule of races.

Remember the law of supply and demand. We live in racing paradise compared

to Wyoming or North Dakota, etc. We all make choices re: when and where to

race. Just be thankful we have so many choices such that we can often race

4-5 times a week. In some states you're lucky to race 2 or 3 times per

month. I think we do however need to weigh the importance of state

championships in the schedule as much as possible. We need to let the OBRA

Board know which championship events are most important to which niche of

riders and when to hold them.



-- DP











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Each year there is a call for more coordination in race scheduling between

OR and WA. I want to make sure that people realize that this is done. We

communicate our schedule with them and vice versa. The problem is that

there are lots of events. Currently there are 227 days, 78 of them on

weekends... and CCX is not scheduled yet! It is inevitable that there will

be conflicts and that often that they will be with major events. For that

matter there are conflicts in Oregon alone. This year the Woodland Bottoms

and the Mayor's Cup were both inextricably tied to the same date. Personally

I think that they both could have been reasonably successful but

unfortunately the Woodland Bottoms organizers elected to cancel their event

I suspect in part because they did not want to try to compete against the

bigger prize list Mayor's Cup.



Mike Murray



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"Perhaps the 2 states could try to coordinate race schedules so that

we had races on each weekend."



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2001-05-21

Each year there is a call for more coordination in race scheduling between

OR and WA. I want to make sure that people realize that this is done. We

communicate our schedule with them and vice versa. The problem is that

there are lots of events. Currently there are 227 days, 78 of them on

weekends... and CCX is not scheduled yet! It is inevitable that there will

be conflicts and that often that they will be with major events. For that

matter there are conflicts in Oregon alone. This year the Woodland Bottoms

and the Mayor's Cup were both inextricably tied to the same date. Personally

I think that they both could have been reasonably successful but

unfortunately the Woodland Bottoms organizers elected to cancel their event

I suspect in part because they did not want to try to compete against the

bigger prize list Mayor's Cup.



Mike Murray



Craig Hamilton wrote:

"Perhaps the 2 states could try to coordinate race schedules so that

we had races on each weekend."



Tim Schauer

2001-05-21

Excuse me? Did you ask where, and I quote "those PIR crunchin Camas Cat 4s"

were? Well.......we were there and we placed first in the Cat 4 category and

our Cat 3 team placed 3rd! Too bad the turnout wasn't better.



We were there and loved it! It was the a great event, well organized and the

weather couldn't have been better. Thanks to those who put on the event.

Capital Velo did a nice job.



-Tim





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Dearest Oregon Peloton,



Where were you? Don't you know how to run a paceline? No.

That is why you didn't show up, to a very well run event that was called

"The

Oregon State Team Time Trial Championship."



Only One Team in the Cat 2s, really?



Where were the big teams like S&M, Torrefazione, those PIR crunchin Camas

cat

4s, Steve wright's nike guys etc.



Oh Oregon, please begin to take pride in racing as a team. This is what

will

make our peloton fast, eliminate crashes etc. and not make the pros laugh at



us in long editorials in velo news.



Cat 2s: if you could just take a break from searching for your next free

jersey and frameset long enough to call three of your Cat 2 buddies, then we



could gain an example of smooth working, wind cheating Team Work that would

encourage us all.

Let's make the Oregon TTT Championship Sacred Lore. Let us see how smoothly

L.Staley, S. Peters, and E.Thurston, can work together or how fast

C.Stayton,

J.Leonard, and E.Tonkin can go as a TEAM.

That's Velo News.

Best Regards,

The Naked Tifosi



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STEVE GARCIA

2001-05-21

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Jim Anderson

2001-05-21

For the record:



"Perhaps the 2 states could try to coordinate race schedules so

that

we had races on each weekend. "





Candi and all the bike race organizers actually work hard at this and DO

cordinate the schedules the best we can. We DO cordinate with some

races and stage races in WA, ID. However this logistical scheduling

nightmare sometimes just doesnt work out.



and to top this we start working on schedules in October for the next

year.



JUST an FYI!





Thanks





Jim











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pretty harsh,



I think racers that are concerned with going fast were at the Enumclaw race

in WA, where a fast rider could race 3 races in 2 days and actually win some

money. Perhaps the 2 states could try to coordinate race schedules so that

we had races on each weekend. The racing in the NW is far better when we

get representation from both OR and WA.



Just a thought,



retired fat cat 2, I'm going to try to snake a seat post at cost from xyz

bike shop.



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Dearest Oregon Peloton,



Where were you? Don't you know how to run a paceline? No.

That is why you didn't show up, to a very well run event that was called

"The

Oregon State Team Time Trial Championship."



Only One Team in the Cat 2s, really?



Where were the big teams like S&M, Torrefazione, those PIR crunchin Camas

cat

4s, Steve wright's nike guys etc.



Oh Oregon, please begin to take pride in racing as a team. This is what

will

make our peloton fast, eliminate crashes etc. and not make the pros laugh at



us in long editorials in velo news.



Cat 2s: if you could just take a break from searching for your next free

jersey and frameset long enough to call three of your Cat 2 buddies, then we



could gain an example of smooth working, wind cheating Team Work that would

encourage us all.

Let's make the Oregon TTT Championship Sacred Lore. Let us see how smoothly

L.Staley, S. Peters, and E.Thurston, can work together or how fast

C.Stayton,

J.Leonard, and E.Tonkin can go as a TEAM.

That's Velo News.

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The Naked Tifosi



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cumm-@ucs.orst.edu

2001-05-21

A very interesting and well said bevy of comments by all.







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Was that necessary? I think not! Before you ridicule teams and people,

maybe you should find out what their situation is ... for instance, team S&M

is also a mtb team and they've been busy being promoters/race organizers of

the Reeher's mtb race and participants in the Coast Hills classic mtb race

over the last two weekends.

Stop talking smack and start asking valid, meaningful questions ... quit

wasting our time with your whining....

Amy



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Redah-@aol.com

2001-05-21

Was that necessary? I think not! Before you ridicule teams and people,

maybe you should find out what their situation is ... for instance, team S&M

is also a mtb team and they've been busy being promoters/race organizers of

the Reeher's mtb race and participants in the Coast Hills classic mtb race

over the last two weekends.    

Stop talking smack and start asking valid, meaningful questions ... quit

wasting our time with your whining....

Amy



Kent Peterson

2001-05-21

Let's not forget that there was also mountain bike racing at the Coast

Hills Classic Sunday. Some of us, as a team, decided to give the TTT a

pass in favor of a different form of racing. Maybe some racers facing

burnout should try it. It's a lot of fun, the change is invigorating and

every bit as hard, probably harder than the TTT.



 Dearest Oregon Peloton,



Where were you? Don't you know how to run a paceline? No.

That is why you didn't show up, to a very well run event that was called "The

Oregon State Team Time Trial Championship."



Only One Team in the Cat 2s, really?



Where were the big teams like S&M, Torrefazione, those PIR crunchin Camas cat

4s, Steve wright's nike guys etc.



Oh Oregon, please begin to take pride in racing as a team. This is what will

make our peloton fast, eliminate crashes etc. and not make the pros laugh at

us in long editorials in velo news.............



Craig Hamilton

2001-05-21

pretty harsh,



I think racers that are concerned with going fast were at the Enumclaw race

in WA, where a fast rider could race 3 races in 2 days and actually win some

money. Perhaps the 2 states could try to coordinate race schedules so that

we had races on each weekend. The racing in the NW is far better when we

get representation from both OR and WA.



Just a thought,



retired fat cat 2, I'm going to try to snake a seat post at cost from xyz

bike shop.



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Dearest Oregon Peloton,



Where were you? Don't you know how to run a paceline? No.

That is why you didn't show up, to a very well run event that was called

"The

Oregon State Team Time Trial Championship."



Only One Team in the Cat 2s, really?



Where were the big teams like S&M, Torrefazione, those PIR crunchin Camas

cat

4s, Steve wright's nike guys etc.



Oh Oregon, please begin to take pride in racing as a team. This is what

will

make our peloton fast, eliminate crashes etc. and not make the pros laugh at



us in long editorials in velo news.



Cat 2s: if you could just take a break from searching for your next free

jersey and frameset long enough to call three of your Cat 2 buddies, then we



could gain an example of smooth working, wind cheating Team Work that would

encourage us all.

Let's make the Oregon TTT Championship Sacred Lore. Let us see how smoothly

L.Staley, S. Peters, and E.Thurston, can work together or how fast

C.Stayton,

J.Leonard, and E.Tonkin can go as a TEAM.

That's Velo News.

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Silvernail, D.L. (Dan)

2001-05-21

Membership,



Here's my theory why the TTT was so poorly attended: first, there was a big

stage race in Washington. Most bike racers would rather go to a big stage

race than a team time trial. That's the harsh truth.



HOWEVER, the biggest reason may be this: there has been LOTS of racing going

on here in the Pacific Northwest since mid-February. People are starting to

get a little burned out. So, they probably are in a phase of re-charging

themselves physically, mentally, and psychologially before the Columbia

Plateau and Mayor's Cup Crit (both of which are big-time races that involve

travel), and are probabaly taking care of things so they can have those two

weekends free. So, since most racers either can't, or don't want to race

every weekend and having to choose which race to skip, I'd be willing to bet

most bike racers would sacrifice a TTT over a crit or road race. That's

also the harsh truth. Sorry, but I don't have any answers as to what to do

about it.



Dan Silvernail



cumm-@ucs.orst.edu

2001-05-21

Is it possible, as a team, they decided to do a different race?



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Dearest Oregon Peloton,



Where were you? Don't you know how to run a paceline? No.

That is why you didn't show up, to a very well run event that was called

"The

Oregon State Team Time Trial Championship."



Only One Team in the Cat 2s, really?



Where were the big teams like S&M, Torrefazione, those PIR crunchin Camas

cat

4s, Steve wright's nike guys etc.



Oh Oregon, please begin to take pride in racing as a team. This is what

will

make our peloton fast, eliminate crashes etc. and not make the pros laugh at

us in long editorials in velo news.



Cat 2s: if you could just take a break from searching for your next free

jersey and frameset long enough to call three of your Cat 2 buddies, then we

could gain an example of smooth working, wind cheating Team Work that would

encourage us all.

Let's make the Oregon TTT Championship Sacred Lore. Let us see how smoothly

L.Staley, S. Peters, and E.Thurston, can work together or how fast

C.Stayton,

J.Leonard, and E.Tonkin can go as a TEAM.

That's Velo News.

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The Naked Tifosi



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LeM-@aol.com

2001-05-21

Dearest Oregon Peloton,



Where were you? Don't you know how to run a paceline? No.

That is why you didn't show up, to a very well run event that was called "The

Oregon State Team Time Trial Championship."



Only One Team in the Cat 2s, really?



Where were the big teams like S&M, Torrefazione, those PIR crunchin Camas cat

4s, Steve wright's nike guys etc.



Oh Oregon, please begin to take pride in racing as a team. This is what will

make our peloton fast, eliminate crashes etc. and not make the pros laugh at

us in long editorials in velo news.



Cat 2s: if you could just take a break from searching for your next free

jersey and frameset long enough to call three of your Cat 2 buddies, then we

could gain an example of smooth working, wind cheating Team Work that would

encourage us all.

Let's make the Oregon TTT Championship Sacred Lore. Let us see how smoothly

L.Staley, S. Peters, and E.Thurston, can work together or how fast C.Stayton,

J.Leonard, and E.Tonkin can go as a TEAM.

That's Velo News.

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