Cyclists beating up SUV's

Dan H

2006-05-20

I went for a nice ride this afternoon. Nothing out of the ordinary happened.
As for "WEAR A HELMET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I take a libertarian approach to
helmets. I almost always wear one because I think it's a good idea but I
don't care if you wear one or not.
I and many of my contemporaries somehow managed to grow up imitating Evil
Kneival with rickety ramps and no protective gear whatsoever.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Feldman"
To: ""Dave German"" ; ;

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cyclists beating up SUV's

This is a very tough time for cyclists in the Portland metro area!!!!
I witnessed on 3 different occasions today motorists being very agressive
to cyclists in Washington county. I am sure KATU did not have any intention
on portraying cyclists as bad people. The story just came out that way,
Which does anger many motorists.

We as cyclists need to obey all rules of the road and
all motorists need to do the same.
I see so many cyclists riding through stop signs, Weaving in and out of
traffic, Not signaling. WEAR A HELMET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you see a motorist doing this, Cyclists say they should be cited for the
violation. Why not cite a cyclist for the same violation?

Most of us cyclists also drive motor vehicles on a regular basis, We are the
ones who should be setting the example of how to drive as well as ride
a bicycle. If a motorist or cyclist does not know they are doing something
wrong or unsafe they will always perform in this manner.

Be safe, Have fun, Enjoy Life!!!!!

"Dave German" wrote:

>I saw the report. The lady said she was turning, left I think, and after
>she made the turn three riders stopped her and were beating on her minivan.
>One guy was beating on the passenger window and she said she wouldn't drop
>the window because "I didn't know what they were capable of". She said she
>didn't know why they would do that because she did nothing wrong. A
>neighbor lady stopped by during the "assault" and witnessed the event. She
>corroborated the 'victims' story.
>
>So unless the riders go public, we will only hear one side. The "I didn't
>do anything wrong" side.
>
>
>>From: "Brad Cockman, DC"
>>To: obra@list.obra.org
>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cyclists beating up SUV's
>>Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:43:44 -0700
>>
>>So I just saw something on KATU about 3 cyclists beating up some lady's
>>SUV
>>out off of Cornelius Pass Rd. My thinking is that this lady did something
>>to
>>really p*ss these people off. Of course this lady said nothing about
>>WHY...
>>
>>Anyone know what transpired? I don't think the cops are looking for you.
>>Yet.
>
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Ron Feldman

2006-05-20

This is a very tough time for cyclists in the Portland metro area!!!!
I witnessed on 3 different occasions today motorists being very agressive
to cyclists in Washington county. I am sure KATU did not have any intention on portraying cyclists as bad people. The story just came out that way, Which does anger many motorists.

We as cyclists need to obey all rules of the road and
all motorists need to do the same.
I see so many cyclists riding through stop signs, Weaving in and out of traffic, Not signaling. WEAR A HELMET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you see a motorist doing this, Cyclists say they should be cited for the violation. Why not cite a cyclist for the same violation?

Most of us cyclists also drive motor vehicles on a regular basis, We are the ones who should be setting the example of how to drive as well as ride
a bicycle. If a motorist or cyclist does not know they are doing something wrong or unsafe they will always perform in this manner.

Be safe, Have fun, Enjoy Life!!!!!

"Dave German" wrote:

>I saw the report.  The lady said she was turning, left I think, and after
>she made the turn three riders stopped her and were beating on her minivan.  
>One guy was beating on the passenger window and she said she wouldn't drop
>the window because "I didn't know what they were capable of". She said she
>didn't know why they would do that because she did nothing wrong.  A
>neighbor lady stopped by during the "assault" and witnessed the event.  She
>corroborated the 'victims' story.
>
>So unless the riders go public, we will only hear one side.  The "I didn't
>do anything wrong" side.
>
>
>>From: "Brad Cockman, DC"
>>To: obra@list.obra.org
>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cyclists beating up SUV's
>>Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:43:44 -0700
>>
>>So I just saw something on KATU about 3 cyclists beating up some lady's SUV
>>out off of Cornelius Pass Rd. My thinking is that this lady did something
>>to
>>really p*ss these people off. Of course this lady said nothing about WHY...
>>
>>Anyone know what transpired? I don't think the cops are looking for you.
>>Yet.
>
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Regardless getting mad and beating on cars is stupid. I can just hear hear my co-workers... "cyclists start beating on my car, and i'll run them over, period". Since we get grouped as "cyclists" these three just made it that much worse for other cyclists.

Most likely the Lady didn't have any clue what she did. She was probably on a cell phone.. This why to practice defensive driving or defensive riding. You have to watch out for the stupidities of others. I almost never get mad at drivers, but sometimes I would like to explain to them how dangerous it is what they just did. but you can't do that by beating on the car.

In addition do you know how terrrifying it can be to be surrounded by people that are beating on your car. Think about it. Think about your wife or daughter or sister or son or boyfriend, etc or yourself, driving downtown or anywhere and all of sudden surrounded by hoodlums beating on the car. THIS IS SCARY STUFF. In most parts of the country, this means the occupants life is in danger, so right foot all the way down and probably head too cause most likely the assailants have guns and will start shooting. Anyway those cyclists are luckily the lady wasn't a recent transplant from Detroit or Chicago or LA, etc, cause her first reaction might have been to run them over in panic...


Joe Cipale

2006-05-20

All parties are innocent until proven guilty... My guess, sadly, is that it
is highly unlikely that the cyclists will come forward. Unless the driver did
something especially aggregious and a police report was filed.

Joe

Dave German wrote:

> I saw the report. The lady said she was turning, left I think, and after
> she made the turn three riders stopped her and were beating on her minivan.
> One guy was beating on the passenger window and she said she wouldn't drop
> the window because "I didn't know what they were capable of". She said she
> didn't know why they would do that because she did nothing wrong. A
> neighbor lady stopped by during the "assault" and witnessed the event. She
> corroborated the 'victims' story.
>
> So unless the riders go public, we will only hear one side. The "I didn't
> do anything wrong" side.
>
>
> >From: "Brad Cockman, DC"
> >To: obra@list.obra.org
> >Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cyclists beating up SUV's
> >Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:43:44 -0700
> >
> >So I just saw something on KATU about 3 cyclists beating up some lady's SUV
> >out off of Cornelius Pass Rd. My thinking is that this lady did something
> >to
> >really p*ss these people off. Of course this lady said nothing about WHY...
> >
> >Anyone know what transpired? I don't think the cops are looking for you.
> >Yet.
>
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Dave German

2006-05-20

I saw the report. The lady said she was turning, left I think, and after
she made the turn three riders stopped her and were beating on her minivan.
One guy was beating on the passenger window and she said she wouldn't drop
the window because "I didn't know what they were capable of". She said she
didn't know why they would do that because she did nothing wrong. A
neighbor lady stopped by during the "assault" and witnessed the event. She
corroborated the 'victims' story.

So unless the riders go public, we will only hear one side. The "I didn't
do anything wrong" side.

>From: "Brad Cockman, DC"
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cyclists beating up SUV's
>Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:43:44 -0700
>
>So I just saw something on KATU about 3 cyclists beating up some lady's SUV
>out off of Cornelius Pass Rd. My thinking is that this lady did something
>to
>really p*ss these people off. Of course this lady said nothing about WHY...
>
>Anyone know what transpired? I don't think the cops are looking for you.
>Yet.

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Brad Cockman, DC

2006-05-19

So I just saw something on KATU about 3 cyclists beating up some lady's SUV
out off of Cornelius Pass Rd. My thinking is that this lady did something to
really p*ss these people off. Of course this lady said nothing about WHY...

Anyone know what transpired? I don't think the cops are looking for you.
Yet.