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How much wear and tear does an 18#-25# bicycle with 700c tires or, heck, even knobby mountain bike tires put on a road surface versus a couple thousand pound car, full size pick-up or SUV? You could ride a bicycle for 10 lifetimes and probably not do anywhere near the damage to a road surface that a car would do in one year. Not to mention all the other resources (financial and otherwise) that the automobile demands funding from for upkeep of the roadways, expansions, construction, etc.... Car users should pay more taxes, they use more resources.

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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] The WTO Gives Bicycles a Push

I'm sorry, how could that not be a thread?
Gas taxes in this country are a pittance compared to almost any other industrialized nation. And they do not begin to pay for the infrastructure that supports automobiles. Maybe someone with access to budget numbers would like to compare the cost of road repair and maintenance to those funds collected by gas taxes?
Cheers,
Ian Penner

In a message dated 5/26/06 5:20:28 PM, dirtsurf@clearwire.net writes:

not trying to be a thread but...

"even though bicyclists pay their taxes to support road repairs just like car drivers do, they are generally considered second-class users on most north american city streets"


I allways thought gas taxes were generally used to build and maintain roads, not the taxes that come out of your paycheck, property taxes,etc.
If ODOT gets there way, and we do not pay gas taxes, but instead pay for the miles we drive, we could get little transmiters on our bikes and pay by the mile to ride on pavement. How would they know if you were on a trail? GPS? Maybe some of those funds could go to trail maintenance That would be fair, right?

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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

It seems that society at large gets so caught up in the "cost" of things instead of the true "value". From my perspective a bike is a superb value (even a $5000 one), but those cyclists running those studded tires in the winter deal a hard blow the the Dept. of Transportation maintenance costs =).
If more folks commuted, rode, took vacations on and raced bikes our country would be more free from the need of foreign energy imports and probably be a much healthier nation. High value. Low cost.
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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] The WTO Gives Bicycles a Push

I'm sorry, how could that not be a thread?
Gas taxes in this country are a pittance compared to almost any other industrialized nation. And they do not begin to pay for the infrastructure that supports automobiles. Maybe someone with access to budget numbers would like to compare the cost of road repair and maintenance to those funds collected by gas taxes?
Cheers,
Ian Penner

In a message dated 5/26/06 5:20:28 PM, dirtsurf@clearwire.net writes:

not trying to be a thread but...

"even though bicyclists pay their taxes to support road repairs just like car drivers do, they are generally considered second-class users on most north american city streets"


I allways thought gas taxes were generally used to build and maintain roads, not the taxes that come out of your paycheck, property taxes,etc.
If ODOT gets there way, and we do not pay gas taxes, but instead pay for the miles we drive, we could get little transmiters on our bikes and pay by the mile to ride on pavement. How would they know if you were on a trail? GPS? Maybe some of those funds could go to trail maintenance That would be fair, right?

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Dan H

Ian, I was hoping someone would suggest Americans should pay gas tax more in line with "other industrialized nations"...................NOT!
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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] The WTO Gives Bicycles a Push

I'm sorry, how could that not be a thread?
Gas taxes in this country are a pittance compared to almost any other industrialized nation. And they do not begin to pay for the infrastructure that supports automobiles. Maybe someone with access to budget numbers would like to compare the cost of road repair and maintenance to those funds collected by gas taxes?
Cheers,
Ian Penner

In a message dated 5/26/06 5:20:28 PM, dirtsurf@clearwire.net writes:

not trying to be a thread but...

"even though bicyclists pay their taxes to support road repairs just like car drivers do, they are generally considered second-class users on most north american city streets"


I allways thought gas taxes were generally used to build and maintain roads, not the taxes that come out of your paycheck, property taxes,etc.
If ODOT gets there way, and we do not pay gas taxes, but instead pay for the miles we drive, we could get little transmiters on our bikes and pay by the mile to ride on pavement. How would they know if you were on a trail? GPS? Maybe some of those funds could go to trail maintenance That would be fair, right?

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Trispoke@aol.com

I'm sorry, how could that not be a thread?
Gas taxes in this country are a pittance compared to almost any other
industrialized nation. And they do not begin to pay for the infrastructure that
supports automobiles. Maybe someone with access to budget numbers would like to
compare the cost of road repair and maintenance to those funds collected by
gas taxes?
Cheers,
Ian Penner

In a message dated 5/26/06 5:20:28 PM, dirtsurf@clearwire.net writes:

> not trying to be a thread but...
>  
> "even though bicyclists pay their taxes to support road repairs just like
> car drivers do, they are generally considered second-class users on most north
> american city streets"
>  
>  
>  I allways thought gas taxes were generally used to build and maintain
> roads, not the taxes that come out of your paycheck, property taxes,etc. 
> If ODOT  gets there way, and we do not pay gas taxes, but instead pay for
> the miles we drive, we could get little transmiters on our bikes and pay by
> the mile to ride on pavement. How would they know if you were on a trail? GPS?
> Maybe some of those funds could go to trail maintenance That would be fair,
> right?  
>
>

Jim Carlton

Yes, David, lots of folks erroneously believe automobile drivers pay their
fair share. But that's just not the case. Wish more people were aware of the
facts. Cyclists would certainly get more respect.

"Briefly, here is the gist of the facts: studies estimate that motor vehicle
users pay an average of 2.3 cents per mile in user charges such as gas
taxes, registration fees, and tolls. However, they impose 6.5 cents per mile
in road service costs. In contrast, cyclist impose road service costs
averaging a miniscule 2/10ths of 1 cent per mile."

Read on:

http://www.teamestrogen.com/articles/articles_myth2.asp

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of david baker
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 5:20 PM
To: Evan MacKenzie; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] The WTO Gives Bicycles a Push

not trying to be a thread but...

"even though bicyclists pay their taxes to support road repairs just like
car drivers do, they are generally considered second-class users on most
north american city streets"

I allways thought gas taxes were generally used to build and maintain
roads, not the taxes that come out of your paycheck, property taxes,etc.

If ODOT gets there way, and we do not pay gas taxes, but instead pay for
the miles we drive, we could get little transmiters on our bikes and pay by
the mile to ride on pavement. How would they know if you were on a trail?
GPS? Maybe some of those funds could go to trail maintenance That would be
fair, right?

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From: Evan MacKenzie

To: obra@list.obra.org

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 11:35 AM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] The WTO Gives Bicycles a Push

The WTO Gives Bicycles a Push

http://blog.uwinnipeg.ca/ius/archives/002082.html

Worth the quick read; interesting links as well.

Not trying to start a thread, just thought some of you out there would be
interested.

Evan

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david baker

The WTO Gives Bicycles a Pushnot trying to be a thread but...

"even though bicyclists pay their taxes to support road repairs just like car drivers do, they are generally considered second-class users on most north american city streets"

I allways thought gas taxes were generally used to build and maintain roads, not the taxes that come out of your paycheck, property taxes,etc.
If ODOT gets there way, and we do not pay gas taxes, but instead pay for the miles we drive, we could get little transmiters on our bikes and pay by the mile to ride on pavement. How would they know if you were on a trail? GPS? Maybe some of those funds could go to trail maintenance That would be fair, right?
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan MacKenzie
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 11:35 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] The WTO Gives Bicycles a Push

The WTO Gives Bicycles a Push

http://blog.uwinnipeg.ca/ius/archives/002082.html

Worth the quick read; interesting links as well.

Not trying to start a thread, just thought some of you out there would be interested.

Evan

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The WTO Gives Bicycles a Push
http://blog.uwinnipeg.ca/ius/archives/002082.html

Worth the quick read; interesting links as well.
Not trying to start a thread, just thought some of you out there would
be interested.

Evan