Edward Kendrick Sr

Actually, tfc lights & and asphalt are tossing bikes and cars into each other's way. That's what happens during a global-warming-heightened hurricane. It's like throwing an entire town into a blender. Since things have gotten slightly worse, over the past eight months, it seems that we do need major changes. They can be friendly and safe ones, too.

Locally, when a motorist at an intersection doesn't seem to see me coming, I wave and smile at them. This alerts them and helps prevent accidents. I find that most drivers like this, since they smile and wave back.

oregonyankee@comcast.net wrote:
"Perhaps 99.9% of motorists and riders are generally law abiding."

Agreed.

"Road problems are too big for individuals to handle, so we need an effective government

What?! Isn't the individual driver or cyclist and his/her acting responsibly the point? These aren't "road problems" - as if streets signs, tfc lights or the asphalt itself were tossing bikes and cars into each other's way. Reduce auto traffic by 50% (an impossibility without major changes in society and economics) - or even by 70% - and individuals (drivers and cyclists) still have to act responsibly.

Peter
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From: Edward Kendrick Sr
On the other hand, it's been said that I am one of the most politically correct creatures on earth.

Evan, it's good that you don't think this rider deserves to die. Now tell me about your childhood...

Perhaps 99.9% of motorists and riders are generally law abiding. Road problems are too big for individuals to handle, so we need an effective government. How about a multifaceted federal plan to reduce auto traffic by ~50% over the next ten years?

Evan MacKenzie wrote:
Evan
OK, nobody has ever labelled me as politically correct before, and after all you people read this, you most certainly won?t.
Sunday afternoon was a pretty normal day, coming back from the Silverton road race. I?m just getting back into Hillsboro, sitting at the traffic light at Hwy 219 and Oak Street. Here comes this guy on a bike, riding the WRONG WAY down Oak Street (a one-way street), into the intersection, against a red light (which of course he could not see because they don?t put lights facing the other way on one-way streets. I WANTED to hit this guy. I wanted to get him off the streets, because he is the perfect example of why so many people hate cyclists. He was breaking every law out there, and on top of that had the nerve to give the finger to the people behind me, who were also returning the the Silverton RR with bikes on their roof.
Part of the reasoning going through my head at the time was that I had better get out into the intersection, because it would look a lot better for this guy to run into the side of my car than for me to hit him head-on.
I don?t care if this guy was on a bike or not. He was an idiot. He certainly doesn?t deserve to die, but he does deserve to get a severe attitude adjustment.
Which all brings us back to the simple fact that regardless of how or where we ride, what we ride, how we dress (in lycra or in flannel), that moron represents us. No outreach by OBRA, or the BTA, or even the police will get someone like this to obey the law. And until that changes, innocent people like Mr. and Mrs. McDaniel and their friends and families will all pay the price.
Bicycles possess the power to do so much, yet the people who use them possess even more power to abuse and confound any effort to show people the benefits that bicycles can offer us on a personal and a national level.
That?s it.
-Evan

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Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:46:27 +0000

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"Perhaps 99.9% of motorists and riders are generally law abiding."

What?!?!? I don't know what world you live in but based on my observations 99.9% of motorists break the law.
Most speed at least 5 miles over the posted limit. Half roll through stop signs. Half change lanes without a signal. I could go on and on.

As for riders, I can only speak as one of the 0.1% that break the law regularly. I put my safety before any traffic laws. Few traffic laws are made with cyclist safety or ability in mind.

Edward Kendrick Sr wrote:
On the other hand, it's been said that I am one of the most politically correct creatures on earth.

Evan, it's good that you don't think this rider deserves to die. Now tell me about your childhood...

Perhaps 99.9% of motorists and riders are generally law abiding. Road problems are too big for individuals to handle, so we need an effective government. How about a multifaceted federal plan to reduce auto traffic by ~50% over the next ten years?

Evan MacKenzie wrote:
Evan
OK, nobody has ever labelled me as politically correct before, and after all you people read this, you most certainly won?t.
Sunday afternoon was a pretty normal day, coming back from the Silverton road race. I?m just getting back into Hillsboro, sitting at the traffic light at Hwy 219 and Oak Street. Here comes this guy on a bike, riding the WRONG WAY down Oak Street (a one-way street), into the intersection, against a red light (which of course he could not see because they don?t put lights facing the other way on one-way streets. I WANTED to hit this guy. I wanted to get him off the streets, because he is the perfect example of why so many people hate cyclists. He was breaking every law out there, and on top of that had the nerve to give the finger to the people behind me, who were also returning the the Silverton RR with bikes on their roof.
Part of the reasoning going through my head at the time was that I had better get out into the intersection, because it would look a lot better for this guy to run into the side of my car than for me to hit him head-on.
I don?t care if this guy was on a bike or not. He was an idiot. He certainly doesn?t deserve to die, but he does deserve to get a severe attitude adjustment.
Which all brings us back to the simple fact that regardless of how or where we ride, what we ride, how we dress (in lycra or in flannel), that moron represents us. No outreach by OBRA, or the BTA, or even the police will get someone like this to obey the law. And until that changes, innocent people like Mr. and Mrs. McDaniel and their friends and families will all pay the price.
Bicycles possess the power to do so much, yet the people who use them possess even more power to abuse and confound any effort to show people the benefits that bicycles can offer us on a personal and a national level.
That?s it.
-Evan

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I've been thinking lately at all the crazy thing that "cyclist" do. Then I realized people in general do crazy things. They break laws. Just because they are on a bike doesn't change things. Pedestrians jay walk, run in front of traffic. Drivers run red lights, don't come to complete stops and drive under the influence.

I'm burned out of all the politics for and against cyclists. People do crazy things, whether they are on a bike or not. We're just more in tuned to what cyclist do because we like to ride bikes.

Evan MacKenzie wrote:
Evan
OK, nobody has ever labelled me as politically correct before, and after all you people read this, you most certainly won?t.
Sunday afternoon was a pretty normal day, coming back from the Silverton road race. I?m just getting back into Hillsboro, sitting at the traffic light at Hwy 219 and Oak Street. Here comes this guy on a bike, riding the WRONG WAY down Oak Street (a one-way street), into the intersection, against a red light (which of course he could not see because they don?t put lights facing the other way on one-way streets. I WANTED to hit this guy. I wanted to get him off the streets, because he is the perfect example of why so many people hate cyclists. He was breaking every law out there, and on top of that had the nerve to give the finger to the people behind me, who were also returning the the Silverton RR with bikes on their roof.
Part of the reasoning going through my head at the time was that I had better get out into the intersection, because it would look a lot better for this guy to run into the side of my car than for me to hit him head-on.
I don?t care if this guy was on a bike or not. He was an idiot. He certainly doesn?t deserve to die, but he does deserve to get a severe attitude adjustment.
Which all brings us back to the simple fact that regardless of how or where we ride, what we ride, how we dress (in lycra or in flannel), that moron represents us. No outreach by OBRA, or the BTA, or even the police will get someone like this to obey the law. And until that changes, innocent people like Mr. and Mrs. McDaniel and their friends and families will all pay the price.
Bicycles possess the power to do so much, yet the people who use them possess even more power to abuse and confound any effort to show people the benefits that bicycles can offer us on a personal and a national level.
That?s it.
-Evan

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There's always, always going to be jerks on bikes just like there's always going to be jerks in cars. Again, I post from a couple weeks ago:

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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage

If we TRULY want cars to respects us more we can't be bicycle bozos. DARE we mention this to fellow riders who manage to break 4 laws inside of 2 blocks?

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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:34:40 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] dead cyclists

dead cyclists Evan
OK, nobody has ever labelled me as politically correct before, and after all you people read this, you most certainly won’t.
Sunday afternoon was a pretty normal day, coming back from the Silverton road race. I’m just getting back into Hillsboro, sitting at the traffic light at Hwy 219 and Oak Street. Here comes this guy on a bike, riding the WRONG WAY down Oak Street (a one-way street), into the intersection, against a red light (which of course he could not see because they don’t put lights facing the other way on one-way streets. I WANTED to hit this guy. I wanted to get him off the streets, because he is the perfect example of why so many people hate cyclists. He was breaking every law out there, and on top of that had the nerve to give the finger to the people behind me, who were also returning the the Silverton RR with bikes on their roof.
Part of the reasoning going through my head at the time was that I had better get out into the intersection, because it would look a lot better for this guy to run into the side of my car than for me to hit him head-on.
I don’t care if this guy was on a bike or not. He was an idiot. He certainly doesn’t deserve to die, but he does deserve to get a severe attitude adjustment.
Which all brings us back to the simple fact that regardless of how or where we ride, what we ride, how we dress (in lycra or in flannel), that moron represents us. No outreach by OBRA, or the BTA, or even the police will get someone like this to obey the law. And until that changes, innocent people like Mr. and Mrs. McDaniel and their friends and families will all pay the price.
Bicycles possess the power to do so much, yet the people who use them possess even more power to abuse and confound any effort to show people the benefits that bicycles can offer us on a personal and a national level.
That’s it.
-Evan

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Keith A. Prior

All I have to say about this whole subject is......life is inherently
dangerous, cycling makes it more so.

Not to minimize others deaths or even our own untimely exit but all we
really are is dust in the wind.
We can easily be damaged beyond repair regardless of if someone means to run
us over or not.
Remember..any one of us could have a lapse in our attention behind the wheel
and kill one of our brothers or sisters
of the wheel in an instant.

We are physical matter in a big world full of big things that can break us.
None of us nor government can make the world
100% safe and to enter into such debate goes against the very dualistic
nature of our existence.

In other words, there is no life without death and if you are really
concerned about dying on the bicycle get
lots of movies and ride indoors! Better yet even move the whole thing
outside and ride in your back yard! :)

-Keith

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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:13 AM
To: Edward Kendrick Sr; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] dead cyclists

"Perhaps 99.9% of motorists and riders are generally law abiding."

Agreed.

"Road problems are too big for individuals to handle, so we need an
effective government

What?! Isn't the individual driver or cyclist and his/her acting
responsibly the point? These aren't "road problems" - as if streets signs,
tfc lights or the asphalt itself were tossing bikes and cars into each
other's way. Reduce auto traffic by 50% (an impossibility without major
changes in society and economics) - or even by 70% - and individuals
(drivers and cyclists) still have to act responsibly.

Peter
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Edward Kendrick Sr

On the other hand, it's been said that I am one of the most politically
correct creatures on earth.

Evan, it's good that you don't think this rider deserves to die. Now
tell me about your childhood...

Perhaps 99.9% of motorists and riders are generally law abiding. Road
problems are too big for individuals to handle, so we need an effective
government. How about a multifaceted federal plan to reduce auto traffic by
~50% over the next ten years?

Evan MacKenzie wrote:
Evan
OK, nobody has ever labelled me as politically correct before, and
after all you people read this, you most certainly wont.
Sunday afternoon was a pretty normal day, coming back from the
Silverton road race. Im just getting back into Hillsboro, sitting at the
traffic light at Hwy 219 and Oak Street. Here comes this guy on a bike,
riding the WRONG WAY down Oak Street (a one-way street), into the
intersection, against a red light (which of course he could not see because
they dont put lights facing the other way on one-way streets. I WANTED to
hit this guy. I wanted to get him off the streets, because he is the perfect
examp le of why so many people hate cyclists. He was breaking every law out
there, and on top of that had the nerve to give the finger to the people
behind me, who were also returning the the Silverton RR with bikes on their
roof.
Part of the reasoning going through my head at the time was that I had
better get out into the intersection, because it would look a lot better for
this guy to run into the side of my car than for me to hit him head-on.
I dont care if this guy was on a bike or not. He was an idiot. He
certainly doesnt deserve to die, but he does deserve to get a severe
attitude adjustment.
Which all brings us back to the simple fact that regardless of how or
where we ride, what we ride, how we dress (in lycra or in flannel), that
moron represents us. No outreach by OBRA, or the BTA, or even the police
will get someone like this to obey the law. And until that changes, innocent
people like Mr. and Mrs. McDaniel and their friends and families will all
pay the price.
Bicycles possess the power to do so much, yet the people who use them
possess even more power to abuse and confound any effort to show people the
benefits that bicycles can offer us on a personal and a national level.
Thats it.
-Evan

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"Perhaps 99.9% of motorists and riders are generally law abiding."

Agreed.

"Road problems are too big for individuals to handle, so we need an effective government

What?! Isn't the individual driver or cyclist and his/her acting responsibly the point? These aren't "road problems" - as if streets signs, tfc lights or the asphalt itself were tossing bikes and cars into each other's way. Reduce auto traffic by 50% (an impossibility without major changes in society and economics) - or even by 70% - and individuals (drivers and cyclists) still have to act responsibly.

Peter
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Edward Kendrick Sr

On the other hand, it's been said that I am one of the most politically correct creatures on earth.

Evan, it's good that you don't think this rider deserves to die. Now tell me about your childhood...

Perhaps 99.9% of motorists and riders are generally law abiding. Road problems are too big for individuals to handle, so we need an effective government. How about a multifaceted federal plan to reduce auto traffic by ~50% over the next ten years?

Evan MacKenzie wrote:
Evan
OK, nobody has ever labelled me as politically correct before, and after all you people read this, you most certainly won?t.
Sunday afternoon was a pretty normal day, coming back from the Silverton road race. I?m just getting back into Hillsboro, sitting at the traffic light at Hwy 219 and Oak Street. Here comes this guy on a bike, riding the WRONG WAY down Oak Street (a one-way street), into the intersection, against a red light (which of course he could not see because they don?t put lights facing the other way on one-way streets. I WANTED to hit this guy. I wanted to get him off the streets, because he is the perfect example of why so many people hate cyclists. He was breaking every law out there, and on top of that had the nerve to give the finger to the people behind me, who were also returning the the Silverton RR with bikes on their roof.
Part of the reasoning going through my head at the time was that I had better get out into the intersection, because it would look a lot better for this guy to run into the side of my car than for me to hit him head-on.
I don?t care if this guy was on a bike or not. He was an idiot. He certainly doesn?t deserve to die, but he does deserve to get a severe attitude adjustment.
Which all brings us back to the simple fact that regardless of how or where we ride, what we ride, how we dress (in lycra or in flannel), that moron represents us. No outreach by OBRA, or the BTA, or even the police will get someone like this to obey the law. And until that changes, innocent people like Mr. and Mrs. McDaniel and their friends and families will all pay the price.
Bicycles possess the power to do so much, yet the people who use them possess even more power to abuse and confound any effort to show people the benefits that bicycles can offer us on a personal and a national level.
That?s it.
-Evan

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Weber, Dave

I almost never reply to these but...

A few years ago a motorist killed two girls about 1 mile from my house
in a hit and run. The girls were completely off the highway and
shoulder sitting on the grass at night.

After a very public search for the "killer", he was found and related to
police that he had fallen asleep at the wheel. He was not charged
because they could not produce enough evidence for an indictment. His
life and the lives of several people were permanently damaged because he
chose to drive and not rest.

Among the possible reasons for this tragic incident might be simply
failing to pull over and rest before falling asleep at the wheel and
killing two people.

If the driver purposefully ran them over, then the driver should be
punished. That still doesn't fix that we don't teach people when we
have the opportunity to about cyclists and our right to use the highway.
This is evidenced by the fact two of my kids attended driver training
and neither was taught anything about what to do or not do around
cyclists and the dangers of driving while fatigued.

Dave.

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Edward Kendrick Sr
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:46 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] dead cyclists

On the other hand, it's been said that I am one of the most politically
correct creatures on earth.

Evan, it's good that you don't think this rider deserves to die. Now
tell me about your childhood...

Perhaps 99.9% of motorists and riders are generally law abiding. Road
problems are too big for individuals to handle, so we need an effective
government. How about a multifaceted federal plan to reduce auto
traffic by ~50% over the next ten years?

Evan MacKenzie wrote:

Evan

OK, nobody has ever labelled me as politically correct before,
and after all you people read this, you most certainly won't.

Sunday afternoon was a pretty normal day, coming back from the
Silverton road race. I'm just getting back into Hillsboro, sitting at
the traffic light at Hwy 219 and Oak Street. Here comes this guy on a
bike, riding the WRONG WAY down Oak Street (a one-way street), into the
intersection, against a red light (which of course he could not see
because they don't put lights facing the other way on one-way streets. I
WANTED to hit this guy. I wanted to get him off the streets, because he
is the perfect example of why so many people hate cyclists. He was
breaking every law out there, and on top of that had the nerve to give
the finger to the people behind me, who were also returning the the
Silverton RR with bikes on their roof.

Part of the reasoning going through my head at the time was that
I had better get out into the intersection, because it would look a lot
better for this guy to run into the side of my car than for me to hit
him head-on.

I don't care if this guy was on a bike or not. He was an idiot.
He certainly doesn't deserve to die, but he does deserve to get a severe
attitude adjustment.

Which all brings us back to the simple fact that regardless of
how or where we ride, what we ride, how we dress (in lycra or in
flannel), that moron represents us. No outreach by OBRA, or the BTA, or
even the police will get someone like this to obey the law. And until
that changes, innocent people like Mr. and Mrs. McDaniel and their
friends and families will all pay the price.

Bicycles possess the power to do so much, yet the people who use
them possess even more power to abuse and confound any effort to show
people the benefits that bicycles can offer us on a personal and a
national level.

That's it.

-Evan

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On the other hand, it's been said that I am one of the most politically correct creatures on earth.

Evan, it's good that you don't think this rider deserves to die. Now tell me about your childhood...

Perhaps 99.9% of motorists and riders are generally law abiding. Road problems are too big for individuals to handle, so we need an effective government. How about a multifaceted federal plan to reduce auto traffic by ~50% over the next ten years?

Evan MacKenzie wrote:
Evan
OK, nobody has ever labelled me as politically correct before, and after all you people read this, you most certainly won?t.
Sunday afternoon was a pretty normal day, coming back from the Silverton road race. I?m just getting back into Hillsboro, sitting at the traffic light at Hwy 219 and Oak Street. Here comes this guy on a bike, riding the WRONG WAY down Oak Street (a one-way street), into the intersection, against a red light (which of course he could not see because they don?t put lights facing the other way on one-way streets. I WANTED to hit this guy. I wanted to get him off the streets, because he is the perfect example of why so many people hate cyclists. He was breaking every law out there, and on top of that had the nerve to give the finger to the people behind me, who were also returning the the Silverton RR with bikes on their roof.
Part of the reasoning going through my head at the time was that I had better get out into the intersection, because it would look a lot better for this guy to run into the side of my car than for me to hit him head-on.
I don?t care if this guy was on a bike or not. He was an idiot. He certainly doesn?t deserve to die, but he does deserve to get a severe attitude adjustment.
Which all brings us back to the simple fact that regardless of how or where we ride, what we ride, how we dress (in lycra or in flannel), that moron represents us. No outreach by OBRA, or the BTA, or even the police will get someone like this to obey the law. And until that changes, innocent people like Mr. and Mrs. McDaniel and their friends and families will all pay the price.
Bicycles possess the power to do so much, yet the people who use them possess even more power to abuse and confound any effort to show people the benefits that bicycles can offer us on a personal and a national level.
That?s it.
-Evan

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Evan MacKenzie

Evan

OK, nobody has ever labelled me as politically correct before, and after
all you people read this, you most certainly won't.

Sunday afternoon was a pretty normal day, coming back from the Silverton
road race. I'm just getting back into Hillsboro, sitting at the traffic
light at Hwy 219 and Oak Street. Here comes this guy on a bike, riding
the WRONG WAY down Oak Street (a one-way street), into the intersection,
against a red light (which of course he could not see because they don't
put lights facing the other way on one-way streets. I WANTED to hit this
guy. I wanted to get him off the streets, because he is the perfect
example of why so many people hate cyclists. He was breaking every law
out there, and on top of that had the nerve to give the finger to the
people behind me, who were also returning the the Silverton RR with
bikes on their roof.

Part of the reasoning going through my head at the time was that I had
better get out into the intersection, because it would look a lot better
for this guy to run into the side of my car than for me to hit him
head-on.

I don't care if this guy was on a bike or not. He was an idiot. He
certainly doesn't deserve to die, but he does deserve to get a severe
attitude adjustment.

Which all brings us back to the simple fact that regardless of how or
where we ride, what we ride, how we dress (in lycra or in flannel), that
moron represents us. No outreach by OBRA, or the BTA, or even the police
will get someone like this to obey the law. And until that changes,
innocent people like Mr. and Mrs. McDaniel and their friends and
families will all pay the price.

Bicycles possess the power to do so much, yet the people who use them
possess even more power to abuse and confound any effort to show people
the benefits that bicycles can offer us on a personal and a national
level.

That's it.

-Evan

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