PIR location

Rick C Johnson

2006-06-02

Having some experience with motorsports (over 15 years as tuner, engine
builder and crash/rescue worker with about every series you can name)
I'd like to make a few points on the subject of the impact of motorsports.

It's easy for people on the outside of the fence to look a motor racing
and ask "what's the point?" After all it's loud, chaotic and often
involves dramatic crashes that get replayed over and over. It appears to
be simply a lot of fuel is wasted and a bunch of tires trashed.
But not all is exactly as it appears:

* For the majority of events you'd be surprised at how little fuel
is actually used since track time is very limited. A typical Pro
level sprint distance event will see each class on the track only
2-3 hours per day. Even with the poor mileage associated with
running at full throttle much of the time it still doesn't add up
to a lot. Drag racing is even more frugal - for many a few gallons
will see you through the whole day. Want to have some fun with
numbers? Multiply the number of people in your city by the
national average annual miles driven. Then divide that by the
average miles per gallon. Or look up the fuel consumption of the
last commercial jet you flew on and divide that by the number of
passengers. Either example will put things in perspective.
* The types of fuel is interesting as well. The higher the value and
performance of the vehicle the higher the quality of the fuel it
requires. Highly purified (little or no sulfur or other
contaminants) and very clean burning is the norm. Just what you
might expect for between $5-20 a gallon. Alcohol is also common,
even more clean burning and from a renewable source. Indycars have
been powered by it for decades and next year the series will run
only 100% ethanol (currently they use a methanol/ethanol blend).
The technology necessary to run alternate fuels such as alcohol
("the fuel of the future") has already been done thanks to racing.
* Even though at Pro events a lot of tires may be consumed they are
nearly all recycled. The tire manufacturers that support the
series put a lot of effort into making very high quality tires.
These tires recycle far better than your average street tire and
the tire sponsors collect them directly from the event.
* Every crash and spill is immediately cleaned up by trained track
workers. You can see how seriously this is treated by watching a
typical crash response - the absorbent is usually being put down
at the same time the driver is attended to (sometimes even
before). Powdered rice hull (or clay/cat litter) is used as an
absorbent to catch any on track spills. At all tracks there is on
site collection of waste oils, coolants, brake fluid and
contaminated fuel. Most professional series prohibit all coolants
due to the difficulty of cleanup in the event of a spill. Compare
that to the cleanup your average street crash receives and it's
laughable.

And it is true that the urine output is high at NASCAR events, the
port-a-potty contract for those events is a highly profitable one. No joke.

Rick

Jeff Wills wrote:

>>Anyone know the ecological effects of auto racing? (broad question im
>>sure?)
>>
>>


Jeff Wills

2006-06-02

>Anyone know the ecological effects of auto racing? (broad question im
>sure?)

I don't know if there's been actual *studies*, but I'd bet there's an huge
increase in urine outflow at NASCAR events.

( Running away now... )

Jeff Wills

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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2006-06-01

Much less impact than all the commuters (one per car) on I-5 right next to
PIR.... Get max across the river and the ridership on the interstate line
will triple!!!!!!!!!!
ron
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location

> Anyone know the ecological effects of auto racing? (broad question im
> sure?)
>
> mathew braun
>
> d o w a
> 319 sw washington street. #200
> portland, or 97204
> p: 503.226.6950
> f: 503.273.9192
> m: 503.808.0495
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of GEORGE SCHRECK
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:08 AM
> To: ahaliburton@msn.com; Steve.Long@clark.wa.gov;
> susan@teamestrogen.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location
>
> I may be mistaken (and often am), but I believe the reason why the area
> was available for the track was because it was the location for the
> Vanport housing area which was flooded out of existence in the 40's or
> 50's.
>
> Also, it is not as if there is auto racing early in the mroning or
> late at night. Also, what about people who live near PDX Airport or I-
> 5? Are those much less noisy? Actually, my neighbor's children make a
> lot of noise playing in their yard and it disturbs the tranquility of
> afternoons on my deck. Perhaps they should move as well.
>
> ----Original Message----
> From: ahaliburton@msn.com
> Date: 06/01/2006 9:11 AM
> To: , , obra.org>
> Subj: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location
>
> Residential development at the PIR location would be reckless; it lies
> well
> below the hundred-year flood elevation (note the height of the dykes
> there).
> Do people forget so easily! PIR is a non-critical land use - it's
> well-suited to that location whereas residential is not.
>
>
>>From: "Long, Steve"
>>To: "Susan Otcenas" ,
>>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location
>>Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:12:48 -0700
>>
>>Or, you could just click on this link and be taken directly to the
>>survey:
>>
>>http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/poll/index.html?poll_id=1188
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On
>>Behalf Of Susan Otcenas
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:01 PM
>>To: obra@list.obra.org
>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] PIR location
>>
>>The Business Journal is running an online poll, asking the following
>>question:
>>
>>"Should Portland International Raceway cease operations to
> accommodate
>>its residential neighbors? Neighbors around PIR say noise emanating
>>from the race track is disruptive. Racing fans say it would cost too
>>much to relocate the track somewhere else, and say those who live
> near a
>>racetrack should expect some noise now and then. "
>>
>>Your options are yes, no or undecided.
>>
>>So far, 88% say NO.
>>
>>http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/ Click on "Business Pulse
> Survey"
>>in the middle of the page to register your vote and leave a comment.
>>
>>Susan
>>
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Jerald M Powell

2006-06-01

On the other hand, we're all aware of the public benefit that the
facility provides. The environmental consequences of it's location
are (like everything else), mixed. Air quality isn't much of a
factor (remember the wind out there?), but the high water table and
inevitable problems associated with toxic runoff are. Noise has been
an irritant to the folks who have been diligently gentrifying Kenton
and it's adjacent neighborhoods.

...An historical correction. PIR is built on the old streets of
Vanport. After the 1948 flood, the streets were still there and
sometime in the early 1950's Cascade Sports Car Club started using
them for auto racing. By 1960 some of the more extreme corners had
been smoothed out, but the thing was still a mixed surface of asphalt
and concrete streets (think Silverton Criterium). The introduction
of open wheel cars and Can-Am racing in the 1970's brought major
upgrades to the surface, the stands, the railings... The first delta
park I remember racing in was started, refereed and judged by Phil
Hohenstein. Phil started it with a gun and used the steel guardrail
for a "bell"... announcing the final lap by beating on the guardrail
with a great big bolt.

Drag racing on the "home" straight was started in the early 1970's...
part of an effort (PPD?, some ad-hoc safety group?) to give kids
(oops, young adults) an alternative to racing on the streets. If I
remember correctly, there were no modified cars or motorcycles
allowed, it was strictly for street-legal machines.

Jerry

On Jun 1, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Michael O'Hair wrote:

> Good question. Here are a few off the top.
>
> Noise.
>
> Exhaust fumes, both short term and long term.
>
> Water table pollution from oil/fuel spills. ( This is tons better
> than it
> used to be.)
>
> General impact on roads and grounds due to increased usage. Increased
> maintenence requires more access and more "storage" which cuts into
> the
> surrounding "wild area."
>
> Since we're all focused on pedaling like maniacs at PIR, we miss a
> lot.
> Show up a couple hours early and watch the brush and swale. I've seen
> rabbits, hawks, herons, ducks, etc. PIR has some interesting bio-
> diversity.
> You could view the race course as a barrier that protects some of
> the last
> natural land from suburbia.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
>
>
>> Anyone know the ecological effects of auto racing? (broad
>> question im
>> sure?)
>
>
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Portland, OR 97205

503 222 7173
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Martin Baker

2006-06-01

Compared to the impact of all the folks commuting in their cars every day,
it is so miniscule that it rounds to zero.

mb
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of MathewB@dowa.com
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:11 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location

Anyone know the ecological effects of auto racing? (broad question im
sure?)

mathew braun

d o w a
319 sw washington street. #200
portland, or 97204
p: 503.226.6950
f: 503.273.9192
m: 503.808.0495

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of GEORGE SCHRECK
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:08 AM
To: ahaliburton@msn.com; Steve.Long@clark.wa.gov;
susan@teamestrogen.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location

I may be mistaken (and often am), but I believe the reason why the area
was available for the track was because it was the location for the
Vanport housing area which was flooded out of existence in the 40's or
50's.

Also, it is not as if there is auto racing early in the mroning or
late at night. Also, what about people who live near PDX Airport or I-
5? Are those much less noisy? Actually, my neighbor's children make a
lot of noise playing in their yard and it disturbs the tranquility of
afternoons on my deck. Perhaps they should move as well.

----Original Message----
From: ahaliburton@msn.com
Date: 06/01/2006 9:11 AM
To: , ,
Subj: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location

Residential development at the PIR location would be reckless; it lies
well
below the hundred-year flood elevation (note the height of the dykes
there).
Do people forget so easily! PIR is a non-critical land use - it's
well-suited to that location whereas residential is not.

>From: "Long, Steve"
>To: "Susan Otcenas" ,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location
>Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:12:48 -0700
>
>Or, you could just click on this link and be taken directly to the
>survey:
>
>http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/poll/index.html?poll_id=1188
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
>Behalf Of Susan Otcenas
>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:01 PM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] PIR location
>
>The Business Journal is running an online poll, asking the following
>question:
>
>"Should Portland International Raceway cease operations to
accommodate
>its residential neighbors? Neighbors around PIR say noise emanating
>from the race track is disruptive. Racing fans say it would cost too
>much to relocate the track somewhere else, and say those who live
near a
>racetrack should expect some noise now and then. "
>
>Your options are yes, no or undecided.
>
>So far, 88% say NO.
>
>http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/ Click on "Business Pulse
Survey"
>in the middle of the page to register your vote and leave a comment.
>
>Susan
>
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Monty Hill

2006-06-01

hey let's move the airport! (:

>>> "Adams, Mike" 6/1/2006 10:38 am >>>
Well Michael finally hit the nail on the head. Mult. cty. is being
pressured by developer interests that see this area as urban growth and
are selling it as tax base for schools. This is an extension of the Max
line\St. Johns development plan. It is long term and there will be
public comment blah blah blah.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael O'Hair [mailto:mohair@easystreet.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:30 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location

What is now Delta Park and surrounding was at one time Vanport. In the
50's
it was a large open area surrounded by industrial properties. In the
early
60's, if memory serves, a drag strip was built and the road course
added
later. The reasons were basic: it was in the "middle of nowhere" and
someone saw a way to make a buck.

I suspect that the "complaining neighbors" are being abetted by real
estate
developers who envision "Vanport Acres" or some such housing tract
nonsense.
I would like to see a map of where the complaining parties dwell in
relationship to PIR and to the airport. There is more going on here
than
simple economic pressure.

---- "Where there's smoke, you'll find a smoke making machine." John
F.
Kennedy

----- Original Message -----
From: "GEORGE SCHRECK"

> I may be mistaken (and often am), but I believe the reason why the
area
> was available for the track was because it was the location for the
> Vanport housing area which was flooded out of existence in the 40's
or
> 50's.

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Michael O'Hair

2006-06-01

Good question. Here are a few off the top.

Noise.

Exhaust fumes, both short term and long term.

Water table pollution from oil/fuel spills. ( This is tons better than it
used to be.)

General impact on roads and grounds due to increased usage. Increased
maintenence requires more access and more "storage" which cuts into the
surrounding "wild area."

Since we're all focused on pedaling like maniacs at PIR, we miss a lot.
Show up a couple hours early and watch the brush and swale. I've seen
rabbits, hawks, herons, ducks, etc. PIR has some interesting bio-diversity.
You could view the race course as a barrier that protects some of the last
natural land from suburbia.

----- Original Message -----
From:

> Anyone know the ecological effects of auto racing? (broad question im
> sure?)


Adams, Mike

2006-06-01

Well Michael finally hit the nail on the head. Mult. cty. is being pressured by developer interests that see this area as urban growth and are selling it as tax base for schools. This is an extension of the Max line\St. Johns development plan. It is long term and there will be public comment blah blah blah.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael O'Hair [mailto:mohair@easystreet.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:30 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location

What is now Delta Park and surrounding was at one time Vanport. In the 50's
it was a large open area surrounded by industrial properties. In the early
60's, if memory serves, a drag strip was built and the road course added
later. The reasons were basic: it was in the "middle of nowhere" and
someone saw a way to make a buck.

I suspect that the "complaining neighbors" are being abetted by real estate
developers who envision "Vanport Acres" or some such housing tract nonsense.
I would like to see a map of where the complaining parties dwell in
relationship to PIR and to the airport. There is more going on here than
simple economic pressure.

---- "Where there's smoke, you'll find a smoke making machine." John F.
Kennedy

----- Original Message -----
From: "GEORGE SCHRECK"

> I may be mistaken (and often am), but I believe the reason why the area
> was available for the track was because it was the location for the
> Vanport housing area which was flooded out of existence in the 40's or
> 50's.

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Michael O'Hair

2006-06-01

What is now Delta Park and surrounding was at one time Vanport. In the 50's
it was a large open area surrounded by industrial properties. In the early
60's, if memory serves, a drag strip was built and the road course added
later. The reasons were basic: it was in the "middle of nowhere" and
someone saw a way to make a buck.

I suspect that the "complaining neighbors" are being abetted by real estate
developers who envision "Vanport Acres" or some such housing tract nonsense.
I would like to see a map of where the complaining parties dwell in
relationship to PIR and to the airport. There is more going on here than
simple economic pressure.

---- "Where there's smoke, you'll find a smoke making machine." John F.
Kennedy

----- Original Message -----
From: "GEORGE SCHRECK"

> I may be mistaken (and often am), but I believe the reason why the area
> was available for the track was because it was the location for the
> Vanport housing area which was flooded out of existence in the 40's or
> 50's.


MathewB@dowa.com

2006-06-01

Anyone know the ecological effects of auto racing? (broad question im
sure?)

mathew braun

d o w a
319 sw washington street. #200
portland, or 97204
p: 503.226.6950
f: 503.273.9192
m: 503.808.0495

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of GEORGE SCHRECK
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:08 AM
To: ahaliburton@msn.com; Steve.Long@clark.wa.gov;
susan@teamestrogen.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location

I may be mistaken (and often am), but I believe the reason why the area
was available for the track was because it was the location for the
Vanport housing area which was flooded out of existence in the 40's or
50's.

Also, it is not as if there is auto racing early in the mroning or
late at night. Also, what about people who live near PDX Airport or I-
5? Are those much less noisy? Actually, my neighbor's children make a
lot of noise playing in their yard and it disturbs the tranquility of
afternoons on my deck. Perhaps they should move as well.

----Original Message----
From: ahaliburton@msn.com
Date: 06/01/2006 9:11 AM
To: , ,
Subj: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location

Residential development at the PIR location would be reckless; it lies
well
below the hundred-year flood elevation (note the height of the dykes
there).
Do people forget so easily! PIR is a non-critical land use - it's
well-suited to that location whereas residential is not.

>From: "Long, Steve"
>To: "Susan Otcenas" ,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location
>Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:12:48 -0700
>
>Or, you could just click on this link and be taken directly to the
>survey:
>
>http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/poll/index.html?poll_id=1188
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
>Behalf Of Susan Otcenas
>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:01 PM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] PIR location
>
>The Business Journal is running an online poll, asking the following
>question:
>
>"Should Portland International Raceway cease operations to
accommodate
>its residential neighbors? Neighbors around PIR say noise emanating
>from the race track is disruptive. Racing fans say it would cost too
>much to relocate the track somewhere else, and say those who live
near a
>racetrack should expect some noise now and then. "
>
>Your options are yes, no or undecided.
>
>So far, 88% say NO.
>
>http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/ Click on "Business Pulse
Survey"
>in the middle of the page to register your vote and leave a comment.
>
>Susan
>
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GEORGE SCHRECK

2006-06-01

I may be mistaken (and often am), but I believe the reason why the area
was available for the track was because it was the location for the
Vanport housing area which was flooded out of existence in the 40's or
50's.

Also, it is not as if there is auto racing early in the mroning or
late at night. Also, what about people who live near PDX Airport or I-
5? Are those much less noisy? Actually, my neighbor's children make a
lot of noise playing in their yard and it disturbs the tranquility of
afternoons on my deck. Perhaps they should move as well.

----Original Message----
From: ahaliburton@msn.com
Date: 06/01/2006 9:11 AM
To: , ,
Subj: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location

Residential development at the PIR location would be reckless; it lies
well
below the hundred-year flood elevation (note the height of the dykes
there).
Do people forget so easily! PIR is a non-critical land use - it's
well-suited to that location whereas residential is not.

>From: "Long, Steve"
>To: "Susan Otcenas" ,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location
>Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:12:48 -0700
>
>Or, you could just click on this link and be taken directly to the
>survey:
>
>http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/poll/index.html?poll_id=1188
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
>Behalf Of Susan Otcenas
>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:01 PM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] PIR location
>
>The Business Journal is running an online poll, asking the following
>question:
>
>"Should Portland International Raceway cease operations to
accommodate
>its residential neighbors? Neighbors around PIR say noise emanating
>from the race track is disruptive. Racing fans say it would cost too
>much to relocate the track somewhere else, and say those who live
near a
>racetrack should expect some noise now and then. "
>
>Your options are yes, no or undecided.
>
>So far, 88% say NO.
>
>http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/ Click on "Business Pulse
Survey"
>in the middle of the page to register your vote and leave a comment.
>
>Susan
>
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Andrew HALIBURTON

2006-06-01

Residential development at the PIR location would be reckless; it lies well
below the hundred-year flood elevation (note the height of the dykes there).
Do people forget so easily! PIR is a non-critical land use - it's
well-suited to that location whereas residential is not.

>From: "Long, Steve"
>To: "Susan Otcenas" ,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR location
>Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:12:48 -0700
>
>Or, you could just click on this link and be taken directly to the
>survey:
>
>http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/poll/index.html?poll_id=1188
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>Behalf Of Susan Otcenas
>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:01 PM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] PIR location
>
>The Business Journal is running an online poll, asking the following
>question:
>
>"Should Portland International Raceway cease operations to accommodate
>its residential neighbors? Neighbors around PIR say noise emanating
>from the race track is disruptive. Racing fans say it would cost too
>much to relocate the track somewhere else, and say those who live near a
>racetrack should expect some noise now and then. "
>
>Your options are yes, no or undecided.
>
>So far, 88% say NO.
>
>http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/ Click on "Business Pulse Survey"
>in the middle of the page to register your vote and leave a comment.
>
>Susan
>
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Long, Steve

2006-06-01

Or, you could just click on this link and be taken directly to the
survey:

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/poll/index.html?poll_id=1188

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Susan Otcenas
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:01 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] PIR location

The Business Journal is running an online poll, asking the following
question:

"Should Portland International Raceway cease operations to accommodate
its residential neighbors? Neighbors around PIR say noise emanating
from the race track is disruptive. Racing fans say it would cost too
much to relocate the track somewhere else, and say those who live near a
racetrack should expect some noise now and then. "

Your options are yes, no or undecided.

So far, 88% say NO.

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/ Click on "Business Pulse Survey"
in the middle of the page to register your vote and leave a comment.

Susan

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Susan Otcenas

2006-05-31

The Business Journal is running an online poll, asking the following
question:

"Should Portland International Raceway cease operations to accommodate its
residential neighbors? Neighbors around PIR say noise emanating from the
race track is disruptive. Racing fans say it would cost too much to relocate
the track somewhere else, and say those who live near a racetrack should
expect some noise now and then. "

Your options are yes, no or undecided.

So far, 88% say NO.

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/ Click on "Business Pulse Survey" in
the middle of the page to register your vote and leave a comment.

Susan