Dan H

Messageshorter cranks than you would use on your geared bike are harder to push but easier to spin. I use the same I would on the track so there no change from trainer to racer.
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To the fixed gear riders, do you generally use the same crank length on your fixed gear as your geared road bike?

Thanks,
JT
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I use a 42X18 or a 63 inch gear. What you have is a 70 inch gear. I would not go any higher than that or climbing anything will be a problem. With the 63 I can climb just about anything and I can go on the flats and downhill but I have to spin, which is the whole point of course. You should keep in mind that a bigger gear is also harder to stop. Stopping puts LOTS more stress on your knees than pedaling forward does.

For what it is worth I ride 90-94 on the track.
Mike Murray

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fix Gear question

Hey fellow riders,
I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it. I wanted to get some opinions from the fixxy enthusiasts what a good gear combo was for the Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front ring like a 46 or 48.....? But I don't know, I'm new.
I plan on using it to commute on and develop my spin. But I don't want to spin too much.
What do most fixxys use?
thanks for the help.

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Further thoughts:

...if you don't want to climb hills, you can probably get by with the
42x16. You'll be a bit sluggish off the line, but it's doable. (I was
on that gear today, actually!) However, with a cog of 17 or 18, the
bike will feel livelier, easier to control. Depends on your pedaling
style, and how hard you want to work. A fixed-gear can actually be a
really easy, free ride much of the time....you reach a comfortable spin,
and then just cruise. Bigger gears tend to lose that, not only effort
to get it up to that spin, but in the heightened alertness you need,
being on guard to scrub that higher speed, that additional "wrestling"
you will need to bring it down. It's kind of a "highway vs cityscape"
thing...you want to get out and haul ass, or will you be subject to a
bit of stop-and-go?

cp53x11@aol.com wrote:

> Hey fellow riders,
> I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it. I
> wanted to get some opinions from the fixxy enthusiasts what a good
> gear combo was for the Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front
> ring like a 46 or 48.....? But I don't know, I'm new.
> I plan on using it to commute on and develop my spin. But I don't
> want to spin too much.
> What do most fixxys use?
> thanks for the help.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> **
>

also:

Roger Joys wrote:

> I ride 172.5 on everything road I own.
>

.
Ditto. When I switch between fixed and gearS, I like the fit to be the
same. If I rode 180, I might reconsider, but I really don't have too
much of a pedal-scrape issue with the 172.5.
.
David

Roger Joys

I ride 172.5 on everything road I own.

I busted a bottom bracket banging the crank one too many times on a corner. Those were my younger days. Now I am old and conservative.

-r
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To the fixed gear riders, do you generally use the same crank length on your fixed gear as your geared road bike?

Thanks,
JT
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I use a 42X18 or a 63 inch gear. What you have is a 70 inch gear. I would not go any higher than that or climbing anything will be a problem. With the 63 I can climb just about anything and I can go on the flats and downhill but I have to spin, which is the whole point of course. You should keep in mind that a bigger gear is also harder to stop. Stopping puts LOTS more stress on your knees than pedaling forward does.

For what it is worth I ride 90-94 on the track.
Mike Murray

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fix Gear question

Hey fellow riders,
I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it. I wanted to get some opinions from the fixxy enthusiasts what a good gear combo was for the Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front ring like a 46 or 48.....? But I don't know, I'm new.
I plan on using it to commute on and develop my spin. But I don't want to spin too much.
What do most fixxys use?
thanks for the help.

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It depends on how high your bottom bracket is and how
sharp do you take corners. Dinging a pedal on a
geared bike going around a corner is 'exciting',
dinging a pedal on a fixed gear bike going around a
corner is disasterous.

So, to answer your question, no. I ride 172.5 on my
cross bike and 170 on my fixed gear (my fixed gear is
my 'road bike')

-dan

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> To the fixed gear riders, do you generally use the
> same crank length on your fixed gear as your geared
> road bike?
>
> Thanks,
> JT
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>
>
>
> I use a 42X18 or a 63 inch gear. What you have is a
> 70 inch gear. I would not go any higher than that
> or climbing anything will be a problem. With the 63
> I can climb just about anything and I can go on the
> flats and downhill but I have to spin, which is the
> whole point of course. You should keep in mind that
> a bigger gear is also harder to stop. Stopping puts
> LOTS more stress on your knees than pedaling forward
> does.
>
> For what it is worth I ride 90-94 on the track.
>
> Mike Murray
>
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>
> Hey fellow riders,
> I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a
> 42x16 on it. I wanted to get some opinions from the
> fixxy enthusiasts what a good gear combo was for the
> Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front ring
> like a 46 or 48.....? But I don't know, I'm new.
> I plan on using it to commute on and develop my
> spin. But I don't want to spin too much.
> What do most fixxys use?
> thanks for the help.
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I use shorter cranks on my fg. Remember you'll be pedaling though those
corners you're leaning into.

For figuring out the best gear for you and the terrain you ride in, I
recommend using the gear calculator to find several options between 60 and
70 on your current road bike, pick one you think you might like, and try
riding in that gear exclusively for a few days, being sure to tackle the
biggest hills you expect to have to climb.

jc

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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fix Gear question

To the fixed gear riders, do you generally use the same crank length on your
fixed gear as your geared road bike?

Thanks,

JT
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I use a 42X18 or a 63 inch gear. What you have is a 70 inch gear. I would
not go any higher than that or climbing anything will be a problem. With
the 63 I can climb just about anything and I can go on the flats and
downhill but I have to spin, which is the whole point of course. You should
keep in mind that a bigger gear is also harder to stop. Stopping puts LOTS
more stress on your knees than pedaling forward does.

For what it is worth I ride 90-94 on the track.

Mike Murray

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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:40 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fix Gear question

Hey fellow riders,

I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it. I wanted to
get some opinions from the fixxy enthusiasts what a good gear combo was for
the Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front ring like a 46 or 48.....?
But I don't know, I'm new.

I plan on using it to commute on and develop my spin. But I don't want to
spin too much.

What do most fixxys use?

thanks for the help.

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To the fixed gear riders, do you generally use the same crank length on your fixed gear as your geared road bike?

Thanks,
JT
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I use a 42X18 or a 63 inch gear. What you have is a 70 inch gear. I would not go any higher than that or climbing anything will be a problem. With the 63 I can climb just about anything and I can go on the flats and downhill but I have to spin, which is the whole point of course. You should keep in mind that a bigger gear is also harder to stop. Stopping puts LOTS more stress on your knees than pedaling forward does.

For what it is worth I ride 90-94 on the track.

Mike Murray

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fix Gear question

Hey fellow riders,
I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it. I wanted to get some opinions from the fixxy enthusiasts what a good gear combo was for the Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front ring like a 46 or 48.....? But I don't know, I'm new.
I plan on using it to commute on and develop my spin. But I don't want to spin too much.
What do most fixxys use?
thanks for the help.

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Roger Joys

I am commuting about 160 miles\week on my fixed gear. I run a 67 which is stiffer than others who will chime in. My winter fixed is a 63 which seems better for climbing and all around riding. I will probably be downsizing my summer fixed to a 63 too. It's a kinder\gentler gear, especially when you ride up somthing steep or into a string headwind with a pack on.

For the Tabor Races I ran a 75 which I rode to and from work. This was a bear as a commuting gear.

Your bike has a 71 (well 70.875). So my personal advice is is to move into the mid 60's.

-r
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fix Gear question

Hey fellow riders,
I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it. I wanted to get some opinions from the fixxy enthusiasts what a good gear combo was for the Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front ring like a 46 or 48.....? But I don't know, I'm new.
I plan on using it to commute on and develop my spin. But I don't want to spin too much.
What do most fixxys use?
thanks for the help.

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I use a 42X18 or a 63 inch gear. What you have is a 70 inch gear. I would
not go any higher than that or climbing anything will be a problem. With
the 63 I can climb just about anything and I can go on the flats and
downhill but I have to spin, which is the whole point of course. You should
keep in mind that a bigger gear is also harder to stop. Stopping puts LOTS
more stress on your knees than pedaling forward does.

For what it is worth I ride 90-94 on the track.

Mike Murray

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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:40 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fix Gear question

Hey fellow riders,
I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it. I wanted to
get some opinions from the fixxy enthusiasts what a good gear combo was for
the Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front ring like a 46 or 48.....?
But I don't know, I'm new.
I plan on using it to commute on and develop my spin. But I don't want to
spin too much.
What do most fixxys use?
thanks for the help.

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drewnelson wrote:

> David Auker is the guru of fixed gear road riding. Maybe he has more
> and better tidbits of advice than I.

Shucks...

> Don't go too big a gear,

For me, this is really true. I use a 42x18...this is in Portland's West
Hills, but if you do any climbing, it's nice to keep the experience
similar to "real riding," not being forced to get out of the saddle at
every little bump. A fixed climbs like a rocket when the gear/gradient
is fairly compatible (and due to the efficiency of the drive train, this
is a bigger gear than you might think).

cp53x11@aol.com wrote:

> I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it.

That's good you have the 42...I would put an 18 on the back, maybe a
17. The fixed gear is always a compromise, like you'll be spun out on
some descents, but this riding isn't about absolute speed, it's about
control. With a 42x18, after balancing at stoplights, the acceleration
will beat 9/10 of the cars off the line (letting you claim your spot in
the lane...and this is a big factor why fixed-gear rules in an urban
setting...you can balance at any light, pointed up or downhill). Bigger
gears are harder to do that, and to control when scrubbing speed with
back-pressure.

Have fun! It's quite an entertaining toy. And, when the rains come
back, you can't beat a fendered fixed for many, many reasons...

David

p.s. Looks like a great night coming up at Tabor tomorrow...let's get a
record fixed-gear turnout! 6:00 start time! (The gear question for
this race is a different one than for riding around town...the climb is
sort of shallow, and you need speed on the descent. So, for general
urban riding/training: 63-68", Tabor: 70-??++

> The fixed gear bike will highlight every weakness one has on the
> bicycle. Therefore it will improve every weakness one has on the
> bicycle. Initially I would start in a gear you find easy to sit in
> the saddle and climb in. 39-42 (17,18,19 rear cog). If you start too
> big you most likely wont do too many miles on the new bike. Remember
> that an hour on the fixed gear is like two on the road bike, you can
> never stop pedaling, so you do that many more revolutions of the
> pedals. Cycling is a leg speed sport. Those who can carry a higher
> cadence in the 53x11 go faster and farther than those who cant keep a
> high cadence. The fixed gear is about training the legs and muscles
> speed. It improves endurance by sheer repetitions, and spinning aids
> improvement of recovery during races or after hard pulls at the
> front. Shift up and spin the legs. The fixed gear is also great for
> building cycling specific strength. Use the legs as your breaks, or
> to slow on long descents by applying force in reverse of the normal.
> Do some hill sprints, etc.etc. Last but not least, you will learn to
> pedal circles, smooth out your pedal stroke, and apply force all the
> way around, verse the one direction(down) we normally pedal in. If
> your using your commute time as training time, I think you've made a
> wise choice in a commuter bicycle. Don't go too big a gear, or you
> may find that you train your legs to go slower than you want, and it
> will be darn painful. David Auker is the guru of fixed gear road
> riding. Maybe he has more and better tidbits of advice than I. Good
> luck, and keep pedaling. Drew Nelson
> On Jun 20, 2006, at 10:39 AM, cp53x11@aol.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hey fellow riders,
>> I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it. I
>> wanted to get some opinions from the fixxy enthusiasts what a good
>> gear combo was for the Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front
>> ring like a 46 or 48.....? But I don't know, I'm new.
>> I plan on using it to commute on and develop my spin. But I don't
>> want to spin too much.
>> What do most fixxys use?
>> thanks for the help.
>>

Dan H

about a 61" gear is default. Season to taste from there.
Check this cool gear calculator: http://www.jbarrm.com/cycal/cycal.html

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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fix Gear question

Hey fellow riders,
I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it. I wanted to get some opinions from the fixxy enthusiasts what a good gear combo was for the Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front ring like a 46 or 48.....? But I don't know, I'm new.
I plan on using it to commute on and develop my spin. But I don't want to spin too much.
What do most fixxys use?
thanks for the help.

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The fixed gear bike will highlight every weakness one has on the
bicycle. Therefore it will improve every weakness one has on the
bicycle. Initially I would start in a gear you find easy to sit in
the saddle and climb in. 39-42 (17,18,19 rear cog). If you start
too big you most likely wont do too many miles on the new bike.
Remember that an hour on the fixed gear is like two on the road bike,
you can never stop pedaling, so you do that many more revolutions of
the pedals. Cycling is a leg speed sport. Those who can carry a
higher cadence in the 53x11 go faster and farther than those who cant
keep a high cadence. The fixed gear is about training the legs and
muscles speed. It improves endurance by sheer repetitions, and
spinning aids improvement of recovery during races or after hard
pulls at the front. Shift up and spin the legs. The fixed gear is
also great for building cycling specific strength. Use the legs as
your breaks, or to slow on long descents by applying force in reverse
of the normal. Do some hill sprints, etc.etc. Last but not least,
you will learn to pedal circles, smooth out your pedal stroke, and
apply force all the way around, verse the one direction(down) we
normally pedal in. If your using your commute time as training time,
I think you've made a wise choice in a commuter bicycle. Don't go
too big a gear, or you may find that you train your legs to go slower
than you want, and it will be darn painful. David Auker is the guru
of fixed gear road riding. Maybe he has more and better tidbits of
advice than I. Good luck, and keep pedaling. Drew Nelson
On Jun 20, 2006, at 10:39 AM, cp53x11@aol.com wrote:

> Hey fellow riders,
> I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it. I
> wanted to get some opinions from the fixxy enthusiasts what a good
> gear combo was for the Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front
> ring like a 46 or 48.....? But I don't know, I'm new.
> I plan on using it to commute on and develop my spin. But I don't
> want to spin too much.
> What do most fixxys use?
> thanks for the help.
>
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I use 42x18. But I ride a lot of hills. For flats, 42x16 is great.

If you don't want to spin, you might not be fixie material ;)

-Erik

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fix Gear question

Hey fellow riders,

I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it. I wanted to
get some opinions from the fixxy enthusiasts what a good gear combo was for
the Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front ring like a 46 or 48.....?
But I don't know, I'm new.

I plan on using it to commute on and develop my spin. But I don't want to
spin too much.

What do most fixxys use?

thanks for the help.

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I ride an undergeared 42/17 for around portland

You should leave it alone for a while and ride it as is, then see if you want to go up or not.

Fixie in the street isn't the fastest, especially downhill, but that ain't the point.

as a data point on the track a 50/15 is not unreasonable in the 1/2's

Mark Ginsberg

cp53x11@aol.com wrote: Hey fellow riders,
I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it. I wanted to get some opinions from the fixxy enthusiasts what a good gear combo was for the Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front ring like a 46 or 48.....? But I don't know, I'm new.
I plan on using it to commute on and develop my spin. But I don't want to spin too much.
What do most fixxys use?
thanks for the help.

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Hey fellow riders,
I just bought a fixed gear bike. It came with a 42x16 on it. I wanted to get some opinions from the fixxy enthusiasts what a good gear combo was for the Portland area. I'm thinking a bigger front ring like a 46 or 48.....? But I don't know, I'm new.
I plan on using it to commute on and develop my spin. But I don't want to spin too much.
What do most fixxys use?
thanks for the help.

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