Joe Cipale

From what I heard from the victim and others who were nearby, this was a
wheel-touch crash. Something that happened well in back of the field. Here
is another lesson: If you are in the back of the field, it makes no sense to
sprint for 40th place. SIt up and live to race antoher day (It only took me
3 crashes and two seperated shoulders to learn that lesson :^) ).

Joe

Dan H wrote:

> While sometimes helpful, "touches" require removing a hand from the bar (ru=
> le infraction) and touching someone else (rule infraction #2).
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Scott McElroy=20
> To: 'Edward Kendrick Sr' ; obra@list.obra.org=20
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR Tuesday Night Crash in the 3/4's
>
>
> Agree with Ed's comments. The average speed was 24mph yesterday. I hea=
> rd a crash behind me on the sprint, however didn't know it was bad. There =
> was a lot of wheel lapping, bumping and grinding. Riders need to communica=
> te with each other on position, touches to say you are there, and holding l=
> ines. It is a great place to ride and very safe if done properly.
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
> ---
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> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On B=
> ehalf Of Edward Kendrick Sr
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:03 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR Tuesday Night Crash in the 3/4's
>
>
>
> Thank you. Although I only do this race a handful of times per year, the=
> two I've done this year both featured very bad crashes. Two years ago, I =
> got caught in one and my hand took months to recover.
>
>
>
> Crashing is expensive.
>
>
>
> I've noticed that you can either get towards the front on the last lap an=
> d stay safe, or you can deliberately ride about 30 feet off the back and wa=
> tch the crashes happen with enough room to avoid them. I hope Dan keeps hi=
> s spirits up and recovers quickly. See you in July!
>
> J Inscoe wrote:
>
> In case anyone was wondering how the guy was doing that went down in th=
> e 3/4's race...
>
> His name is Dan Antonson and he rides for Bike Peddler. His crash left =
> him with bruised and broken ribs and a collapsed lung. Should be in the hos=
> pital till Saturday or Sunday.=20
>
> Folks, please be careful out there...
>
> J. Inscoe
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Joe Cipale

I have held my tonuge too long on this. Now it is time to pass on some advice:

When racing in a pack, such as at PIR, nearly ALL crashes are the result of
wheels overlapping. From what I have observed, this is often the result of
riders surging to 'make up' a gap. You stand a better chance of riding in a
consistent pace and keeping your line than surging over and over and over.

When you surge, you speed up to the point that you 'overtake' the rider
ahead of you. When this happens, you tend to either hit your brakes, or drift
to one side of a wheel or the other to avoid touches. This will then cause
other riders to the left or right to drift... and so on... and so on.

The fields out at PIR tend to be rather large. If you maintain a steady
pace, small gaps that do develop will close becuase of the overall pack speed
and drafting (remember, you save 30% of your energy when drafting).

Another thing I have learned is that youwatch with your eras as well as your
eyes. The minute you hear a freewheel engage (the 'clicking soound from a
hub...), you should begin to back-off on your pedaling.

99% of the crashes that occur can be avoided simply by listening as much as
observing your surrondings in a field.

Joe

Scott McElroy wrote:

> Agree with Ed=92s comments. The average speed was 24mph yesterday. I hea=
> rd a
> crash behind me on the sprint, however didn=92t know it was bad. There was=
> a lot
> of wheel lapping, bumping and grinding. Riders need to communicate with ea=
> ch
> other on position, touches to say you are there, and holding lines. It is a
> great place to ride and very safe if done properly.
>
> =20
>
> _____=20=20
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Beh=
> alf
> Of Edward Kendrick Sr
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:03 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR Tuesday Night Crash in the 3/4's
>
> =20
>
> Thank you. Although I only do this race a handful of times per year, the t=
> wo
> I've done this year both featured very bad crashes. Two years ago, I got c=
> aught
> in one and my hand took months to recover.
>
> =20
>
> Crashing is expensive.
>
> =20
>
> I've noticed that you can either get towards the front on the last lap and =
> stay
> safe, or you can deliberately ride about 30 feet off the back and watch the
> crashes happen with enough room to avoid them. I hope Dan keeps his spirit=
> s up
> and recovers quickly. See you in July!
>
> J Inscoe wrote:
>
> In case anyone was wondering how the guy was doing that went down in the 3/=
> 4's
> race...
>
> His name is Dan Antonson and he rides for Bike Peddler. His crash left him =
> with
> bruised and broken ribs and a collapsed lung. Should be in the hospital till
> Saturday or Sunday.=20
>
> Folks, please be careful out there...
>
> J. Inscoe
> Therapeutic Associates Cycling
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If there is a known hazard on the track, would it be possible to allocate some
money from the track fees annually to fix the problem? I don't think crack
filler is too expensive even with labor charges from PIR maintenance crew? I
think the only really bad section is a relatively short space where Heather
mentioned. I would assume that might be more cost effective than medical costs,
wrecked bikes, etc? OBRA and PIR is getting great press lately, and maintaining
the image that it is a relatively safe place should be important as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Kanz [mailto:pkanz@lsdex.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:38 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Cc: wibbies@comcast.net; Heather VanValkenburg, Fdg.; ed_ward_kendrick@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR Tuesday Night Crash in the 3/4's

I hope Dan has a speedy recovery and I'm sorry to see anyone crash.

I was in the process of coming around Dan on his right, when he got in to
trouble. Based on how bad his bike was bucking, it would appear that he
got his wheels stuck in the crack that Heather mentioned. Getting stuck
in the crack is very violent experience to go through and witness. I had
the misfortune of getting stuck a few Mondays ago, but I was lucky and got
away with a tweaked set of wheels and soiled pants.

Just don't ride on any painted lines at PIR. If you do get stuck in the
groove, try to relax and try not to fight it (kind of like riding the
muck in cross).

-Paul

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Heather VanValkenburg, Fdg. wrote:

> One easy way to avoid going down in the the clockwise straightaway, is to
> stay out of the dang white line groove. When you notice a "hole" in that
> space, where you could advance your spot- it's for good reason- everyone
> else already knew this rule. You can ride to the left of it, to the right of
> it, near it, by it, far from it, to it, around it, in a box, with a fox, and
> even hold your breath when you ride over it, but you can't ride IN it,or
> THROUGH it, else you might find yourself skidding under it. It was suggested
> that Tuesday's mishap was a white line groove drive.
>
>
> -Heather VanValkenburg
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I hope Dan has a speedy recovery and I'm sorry to see anyone crash.

I was in the process of coming around Dan on his right, when he got in to
trouble. Based on how bad his bike was bucking, it would appear that he
got his wheels stuck in the crack that Heather mentioned. Getting stuck
in the crack is very violent experience to go through and witness. I had
the misfortune of getting stuck a few Mondays ago, but I was lucky and got
away with a tweaked set of wheels and soiled pants.

Just don't ride on any painted lines at PIR. If you do get stuck in the
groove, try to relax and try not to fight it (kind of like riding the
muck in cross).

-Paul

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Heather VanValkenburg, Fdg. wrote:

> One easy way to avoid going down in the the clockwise straightaway, is to
> stay out of the dang white line groove. When you notice a "hole" in that
> space, where you could advance your spot- it's for good reason- everyone
> else already knew this rule. You can ride to the left of it, to the right of
> it, near it, by it, far from it, to it, around it, in a box, with a fox, and
> even hold your breath when you ride over it, but you can't ride IN it,or
> THROUGH it, else you might find yourself skidding under it. It was suggested
> that Tuesday's mishap was a white line groove drive.
>
>
> -Heather VanValkenburg
>
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While sometimes helpful, "touches" require removing a hand from the bar (rule infraction) and touching someone else (rule infraction #2).
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott McElroy
To: 'Edward Kendrick Sr' ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR Tuesday Night Crash in the 3/4's

Agree with Ed's comments. The average speed was 24mph yesterday. I heard a crash behind me on the sprint, however didn't know it was bad. There was a lot of wheel lapping, bumping and grinding. Riders need to communicate with each other on position, touches to say you are there, and holding lines. It is a great place to ride and very safe if done properly.

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Edward Kendrick Sr
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:03 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR Tuesday Night Crash in the 3/4's

Thank you. Although I only do this race a handful of times per year, the two I've done this year both featured very bad crashes. Two years ago, I got caught in one and my hand took months to recover.

Crashing is expensive.

I've noticed that you can either get towards the front on the last lap and stay safe, or you can deliberately ride about 30 feet off the back and watch the crashes happen with enough room to avoid them. I hope Dan keeps his spirits up and recovers quickly. See you in July!

J Inscoe wrote:

In case anyone was wondering how the guy was doing that went down in the 3/4's race...

His name is Dan Antonson and he rides for Bike Peddler. His crash left him with bruised and broken ribs and a collapsed lung. Should be in the hospital till Saturday or Sunday.

Folks, please be careful out there...

J. Inscoe
Therapeutic Associates Cycling
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Heather VanValkenburg, Fdg.

One easy way to avoid going down in the the clockwise straightaway, is to
stay out of the dang white line groove. When you notice a "hole" in that
space, where you could advance your spot- it's for good reason- everyone
else already knew this rule. You can ride to the left of it, to the right of
it, near it, by it, far from it, to it, around it, in a box, with a fox, and
even hold your breath when you ride over it, but you can't ride IN it,or
THROUGH it, else you might find yourself skidding under it. It was suggested
that Tuesday's mishap was a white line groove drive.

-Heather VanValkenburg

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Agree with Ed?s comments. The average speed was 24mph yesterday. I heard a
crash behind me on the sprint, however didn?t know it was bad. There was a lot
of wheel lapping, bumping and grinding. Riders need to communicate with each
other on position, touches to say you are there, and holding lines. It is a
great place to ride and very safe if done properly.

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf
Of Edward Kendrick Sr
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:03 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR Tuesday Night Crash in the 3/4's

Thank you. Although I only do this race a handful of times per year, the two
I've done this year both featured very bad crashes. Two years ago, I got caught
in one and my hand took months to recover.

Crashing is expensive.

I've noticed that you can either get towards the front on the last lap and stay
safe, or you can deliberately ride about 30 feet off the back and watch the
crashes happen with enough room to avoid them. I hope Dan keeps his spirits up
and recovers quickly. See you in July!

J Inscoe wrote:

In case anyone was wondering how the guy was doing that went down in the 3/4's
race...

His name is Dan Antonson and he rides for Bike Peddler. His crash left him with
bruised and broken ribs and a collapsed lung. Should be in the hospital till
Saturday or Sunday.

Folks, please be careful out there...

J. Inscoe
Therapeutic Associates Cycling
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Thank you. Although I only do this race a handful of times per year, the two I've done this year both featured very bad crashes. Two years ago, I got caught in one and my hand took months to recover.

Crashing is expensive.

I've noticed that you can either get towards the front on the last lap and stay safe, or you can deliberately ride about 30 feet off the back and watch the crashes happen with enough room to avoid them. I hope Dan keeps his spirits up and recovers quickly. See you in July!

J Inscoe wrote:
In case anyone was wondering how the guy was doing that went down in the 3/4's race...

His name is Dan Antonson and he rides for Bike Peddler. His crash left him with bruised and broken ribs and a collapsed lung. Should be in the hospital till Saturday or Sunday.

Folks, please be careful out there...

J. Inscoe
Therapeutic Associates Cycling
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In case anyone was wondering how the guy was doing that went down in the 3/4's race...

His name is Dan Antonson and he rides for Bike Peddler. His crash left him with bruised and broken ribs and a collapsed lung. Should be in the hospital till Saturday or Sunday.

Folks, please be careful out there...

J. Inscoe
Therapeutic Associates Cycling