Luciano bailey

Without the personal stuff I agree one of the last instructions given to
riders pre race is this exact topic. We all feel that need to finish strong,
that said the most important none physical elements of racing is awarness
and energy conservation. Awareness would tell you a sprint is useless
energy conservation puts an exclamation on it. My personal view is i'm in
34th I will do better next week, so to all keep the rubber side down and be
safe out there.

>From: "Curt Dewees"
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR Tuesday Night Crash in the 3/4's (RANT)
>Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:30:17 -0700
>
>OK, friends. I guess was being a little harsh on the guy. (And by the way,
>I have no idea who the anonymous backfield sprinter is or exactly where he
>placed.... he could have zipped past several others on his way to the
>finish
>line and placed even higher than 34th.)
>
>Whoever you are, I apologize if I offended you. Yes, it's a bike
>race, and I can understand and appreciate your enthusiasm for finishing the
>race as fast as you can.
>
>The 4/5s are where folks learn how to do race. If I'm not comfortable with
>beginners, maybe I should train more, get faster, and upgrade the heck out
>of there .... ;-)
>
>
>
>On 6/22/06, Curt Dewees wrote:
>>
>> While we're on the subject of last laps & sprinting for a good finish,
>>I'd like to congratulate the rider who came flailing past me at full-on,
>>hard-charging, bike-rockin' sprint just before the finish line at the
>>Monday
>>PIR 4/5 race. You nipped me for 34th place and relegated me to 35th!!!!
>>Nice job, Ace!
>>
>>Is that your phone ringing? I think the Discovery Team is calling you ...
>>they need you to pack your bags now and get to France before July 1!!!
>>
>>OK, it's not them?
>>
>>Anyway,when you made your move, I was cruising safely toward the finish
>>line, seat firm planted in saddle, holding a straight line and watching
>>the
>>action unfold ahead of me, so it worked out OK for both of us.
>>
>>Here's a tip: When you're finishing the last lap at PIR and you're 50
>>yards from the finish line and there are 35 riders ahead of you, please
>>try
>>to reighn in your awesome power. You're not going to win, you're not
>>going
>>to place in the top 10, or even the top 20. Sure, it's important to
>>practice your sprint if you want to get better, but maybe this isn't the
>>safest time or place to do that. Believe me--nobody, and I mean NOBODY--is
>>caring about whether you take 34th vs. 35th at a Monday night 4/5 race at
>>PIR...
>>
>>So if you find yourself in that position again, just relax, sit back down,
>>and enjoy the ending of the race from a safe, stable position. Just
>>finishing one of these races safely is something you can be proud of, OK?
>>Thanks, buddy.
>>
>>
>>On 6/22/06, .David.Auker. wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Robert Nobles wrote:
>> >
>> > > _(...)HOLD YOUR LINE_ and you don't have to "communicate". The people
>> > > who "communicate" in the pack are usually the less skilled
>> > riders.(...)
>> >
>> >
>> > On the subject of "communicating" in the pack, whether it be
>> > strategic/maneuver/chat-oriented, you don't have to actually look at
>>the
>> >
>> > rider you're talking to. I think this is a no-brainer, but
>>occasionally
>> > a rider will be chatting, looking at the rider beside him...all the
>> > while rolling at 25-30 mph. Things can happen very quickly, and senses
>> > need to remain keen and focused.
>> > .
>> > Somewhat related race story:
>> > .
>> > Shawn Wallace, a really good Australian rider is in front of me at a
>> > good-money Seattle race, one lap to go. Cash goes to 20, and we're in
>>a
>> >
>> > break of about 20. Feeling good, guaranteed payday! Shawn looks back
>> > over his shoulder to check on our distance from the chasing pack. He
>> > overlaps wheels in the process, and fails to see our slight change of
>> > direction. Bam! (That's the sound of him crashing, me going down,
>> > too...) Stupid way to end the race for two of us. Riders with less
>> > restraint than me would have started punching him...
>> > .
>> > "Keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel"
>> > .
>> > David
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Curt Dewees

OK, friends. I guess was being a little harsh on the guy. (And by the way,
I have no idea who the anonymous backfield sprinter is or exactly where he
placed.... he could have zipped past several others on his way to the finish
line and placed even higher than 34th.)

Whoever you are, I apologize if I offended you. Yes, it's a bike
race, and I can understand and appreciate your enthusiasm for finishing the
race as fast as you can.

The 4/5s are where folks learn how to do race. If I'm not comfortable with
beginners, maybe I should train more, get faster, and upgrade the heck out
of there .... ;-)

On 6/22/06, Curt Dewees wrote:
>
> While we're on the subject of last laps & sprinting for a good finish,
> I'd like to congratulate the rider who came flailing past me at full-on,
> hard-charging, bike-rockin' sprint just before the finish line at the Monday
> PIR 4/5 race. You nipped me for 34th place and relegated me to 35th!!!!
> Nice job, Ace!
>
> Is that your phone ringing? I think the Discovery Team is calling you ...
> they need you to pack your bags now and get to France before July 1!!!
>
> OK, it's not them?
>
> Anyway,when you made your move, I was cruising safely toward the finish
> line, seat firm planted in saddle, holding a straight line and watching the
> action unfold ahead of me, so it worked out OK for both of us.
>
> Here's a tip: When you're finishing the last lap at PIR and you're 50
> yards from the finish line and there are 35 riders ahead of you, please try
> to reighn in your awesome power. You're not going to win, you're not going
> to place in the top 10, or even the top 20. Sure, it's important to
> practice your sprint if you want to get better, but maybe this isn't the
> safest time or place to do that. Believe me--nobody, and I mean NOBODY--is
> caring about whether you take 34th vs. 35th at a Monday night 4/5 race at
> PIR...
>
> So if you find yourself in that position again, just relax, sit back down,
> and enjoy the ending of the race from a safe, stable position. Just
> finishing one of these races safely is something you can be proud of, OK?
> Thanks, buddy.
>
>
> On 6/22/06, .David.Auker. wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Nobles wrote:
> >
> > > _(...)HOLD YOUR LINE_ and you don't have to "communicate". The people
> > > who "communicate" in the pack are usually the less skilled
> > riders.(...)
> >
> >
> > On the subject of "communicating" in the pack, whether it be
> > strategic/maneuver/chat-oriented, you don't have to actually look at the
> >
> > rider you're talking to. I think this is a no-brainer, but occasionally
> > a rider will be chatting, looking at the rider beside him...all the
> > while rolling at 25-30 mph. Things can happen very quickly, and senses
> > need to remain keen and focused.
> > .
> > Somewhat related race story:
> > .
> > Shawn Wallace, a really good Australian rider is in front of me at a
> > good-money Seattle race, one lap to go. Cash goes to 20, and we're in a
> >
> > break of about 20. Feeling good, guaranteed payday! Shawn looks back
> > over his shoulder to check on our distance from the chasing pack. He
> > overlaps wheels in the process, and fails to see our slight change of
> > direction. Bam! (That's the sound of him crashing, me going down,
> > too...) Stupid way to end the race for two of us. Riders with less
> > restraint than me would have started punching him...
> > .
> > "Keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel"
> > .
> > David
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Joe Cipale

Ummmmm.. common sense and safety?

KG wrote:

> This completely baffles me. If the behavior was dangerous then yes, he should mellow out. But if you're saying no one should sprint unless they're in the money??? Why bother racing at all?
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Curt Dewees
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:20:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR Tuesday Night Crash in the 3/4's (RANT)
>
> While we're on the subject of last laps & sprinting for a good finish, I'd like to congratulate the rider who came flailing past me at full-on, hard-charging, bike-rockin' sprint just before the finish line at the Monday PIR 4/5 race. You nipped me for 34th place and relegated me to 35th!!!! Nice job, Ace!
>
> Is that your phone ringing? I think the Discovery Team is calling you ... they need you to pack your bags now and get to France before July 1!!!
>
> OK, it's not them?
>
> Anyway,when you made your move, I was cruising safely toward the finish line, seat firm planted in saddle, holding a straight line and watching the action unfold ahead of me, so it worked out OK for both of us.
>
> Here's a tip: When you're finishing the last lap at PIR and you're 50 yards from the finish line and there are 35 riders ahead of you, please try to reighn in your awesome power. You're not going to win, you're not going to place in the top 10, or even the top 20. Sure, it's important to practice your sprint if you want to get better, but maybe this isn't the safest time or place to do that. Believe me--nobody, and I mean NOBODY--is caring about whether you take 34th vs. 35th at a Monday night 4/5 race at PIR...
>
> So if you find yourself in that position again, just relax, sit back down, and enjoy the ending of the race from a safe, stable position. Just finishing one of these races safely is something you can be proud of, OK? Thanks, buddy.
>
>
> On 6/22/06, .David.Auker. wrote:
>
> Robert Nobles wrote:
>
> > _(...)HOLD YOUR LINE_ and you don't have to "communicate". The people
> > who "communicate" in the pack are usually the less skilled riders.(...)
>
>
> On the subject of "communicating" in the pack, whether it be
> strategic/maneuver/chat-oriented, you don't have to actually look at the
> rider you're talking to. I think this is a no-brainer, but occasionally
> a rider will be chatting, looking at the rider beside him...all the
> while rolling at 25-30 mph. Things can happen very quickly, and senses
> need to remain keen and focused.
> .
> Somewhat related race story:
> .
> Shawn Wallace, a really good Australian rider is in front of me at a
> good-money Seattle race, one lap to go. Cash goes to 20, and we're in a
> break of about 20. Feeling good, guaranteed payday! Shawn looks back
> over his shoulder to check on our distance from the chasing pack. He
> overlaps wheels in the process, and fails to see our slight change of
> direction. Bam! (That's the sound of him crashing, me going down,
> too...) Stupid way to end the race for two of us. Riders with less
> restraint than me would have started punching him...
> .
> "Keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel"
> .
> David
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Mark Jenkins

Yeah, basically. Watch the way it works even in races where the field splits
(as it usually doesn't at PIR) -- the people at the front of the splits may
sprint with other like minded people, even if it's for a lower placing, but
no one sprints from the back through a field that has already begun sitting
up. What's baffling about not weaving through slowing riders at 35mph?

If you want to sprint, do the work to get in position and sprint. If you're
launching your sprint from 50th place, it's too late, the race is over.

On 6/22/06, KG wrote:
>
> This completely baffles me. If the behavior was dangerous then yes, he
> should mellow out. But if you're saying no one should sprint unless they're
> in the money??? Why bother racing at all?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Curt Dewees
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:20:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR Tuesday Night Crash in the 3/4's (RANT)
>
> While we're on the subject of last laps & sprinting for a good finish, I'd
> like to congratulate the rider who came flailing past me at full-on,
> hard-charging, bike-rockin' sprint just before the finish line at the Monday
> PIR 4/5 race. You nipped me for 34th place and relegated me to 35th!!!!
> Nice job, Ace!
>
> Is that your phone ringing? I think the Discovery Team is calling you ...
> they need you to pack your bags now and get to France before July 1!!!
>
> OK, it's not them?
>
> Anyway,when you made your move, I was cruising safely toward the finish
> line, seat firm planted in saddle, holding a straight line and watching the
> action unfold ahead of me, so it worked out OK for both of us.
>
> Here's a tip: When you're finishing the last lap at PIR and you're 50
> yards from the finish line and there are 35 riders ahead of you, please try
> to reighn in your awesome power. You're not going to win, you're not going
> to place in the top 10, or even the top 20. Sure, it's important to
> practice your sprint if you want to get better, but maybe this isn't the
> safest time or place to do that. Believe me--nobody, and I mean NOBODY--is
> caring about whether you take 34th vs. 35th at a Monday night 4/5 race at
> PIR...
>
> So if you find yourself in that position again, just relax, sit back down,
> and enjoy the ending of the race from a safe, stable position. Just
> finishing one of these races safely is something you can be proud of, OK?
> Thanks, buddy.
>
>
> On 6/22/06, .David.Auker. wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Nobles wrote:
> >
> > > _(...)HOLD YOUR LINE_ and you don't have to "communicate". The people
> > > who "communicate" in the pack are usually the less skilled
> > riders.(...)
> >
> >
> > On the subject of "communicating" in the pack, whether it be
> > strategic/maneuver/chat-oriented, you don't have to actually look at the
> >
> > rider you're talking to. I think this is a no-brainer, but occasionally
> > a rider will be chatting, looking at the rider beside him...all the
> > while rolling at 25-30 mph. Things can happen very quickly, and senses
> > need to remain keen and focused.
> > .
> > Somewhat related race story:
> > .
> > Shawn Wallace, a really good Australian rider is in front of me at a
> > good-money Seattle race, one lap to go. Cash goes to 20, and we're in a
> >
> > break of about 20. Feeling good, guaranteed payday! Shawn looks back
> > over his shoulder to check on our distance from the chasing pack. He
> > overlaps wheels in the process, and fails to see our slight change of
> > direction. Bam! (That's the sound of him crashing, me going down,
> > too...) Stupid way to end the race for two of us. Riders with less
> > restraint than me would have started punching him...
> > .
> > "Keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel"
> > .
> > David
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KG

This completely baffles me. If the behavior was dangerous then yes, he should mellow out. But if you're saying no one should sprint unless they're in the money??? Why bother racing at all?

----- Original Message ----
From: Curt Dewees
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:20:32 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR Tuesday Night Crash in the 3/4's (RANT)

While we're on the subject of last laps & sprinting for a good finish, I'd like to congratulate the rider who came flailing past me at full-on, hard-charging, bike-rockin' sprint just before the finish line at the Monday PIR 4/5 race. You nipped me for 34th place and relegated me to 35th!!!! Nice job, Ace!

Is that your phone ringing? I think the Discovery Team is calling you ... they need you to pack your bags now and get to France before July 1!!!

OK, it's not them?

Anyway,when you made your move, I was cruising safely toward the finish line, seat firm planted in saddle, holding a straight line and watching the action unfold ahead of me, so it worked out OK for both of us.

Here's a tip: When you're finishing the last lap at PIR and you're 50 yards from the finish line and there are 35 riders ahead of you, please try to reighn in your awesome power. You're not going to win, you're not going to place in the top 10, or even the top 20. Sure, it's important to practice your sprint if you want to get better, but maybe this isn't the safest time or place to do that. Believe me--nobody, and I mean NOBODY--is caring about whether you take 34th vs. 35th at a Monday night 4/5 race at PIR...

So if you find yourself in that position again, just relax, sit back down, and enjoy the ending of the race from a safe, stable position. Just finishing one of these races safely is something you can be proud of, OK? Thanks, buddy.


On 6/22/06, .David.Auker. wrote:

Robert Nobles wrote:

> _(...)HOLD YOUR LINE_ and you don't have to "communicate". The people
> who "communicate" in the pack are usually the less skilled riders.(...)

On the subject of "communicating" in the pack, whether it be
strategic/maneuver/chat-oriented, you don't have to actually look at the
rider you're talking to. I think this is a no-brainer, but occasionally
a rider will be chatting, looking at the rider beside him...all the
while rolling at 25-30 mph. Things can happen very quickly, and senses
need to remain keen and focused.
.
Somewhat related race story:
.
Shawn Wallace, a really good Australian rider is in front of me at a
good-money Seattle race, one lap to go. Cash goes to 20, and we're in a
break of about 20. Feeling good, guaranteed payday! Shawn looks back
over his shoulder to check on our distance from the chasing pack. He
overlaps wheels in the process, and fails to see our slight change of
direction. Bam! (That's the sound of him crashing, me going down,
too...) Stupid way to end the race for two of us. Riders with less
restraint than me would have started punching him...
.
"Keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel"
.
David
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Curt Dewees

While we're on the subject of last laps & sprinting for a good finish, I'd
like to congratulate the rider who came flailing past me at full-on,
hard-charging, bike-rockin' sprint just before the finish line at the Monday
PIR 4/5 race. You nipped me for 34th place and relegated me to 35th!!!!
Nice job, Ace!

Is that your phone ringing? I think the Discovery Team is calling you ...
they need you to pack your bags now and get to France before July 1!!!

OK, it's not them?

Anyway,when you made your move, I was cruising safely toward the finish
line, seat firm planted in saddle, holding a straight line and watching the
action unfold ahead of me, so it worked out OK for both of us.

Here's a tip: When you're finishing the last lap at PIR and you're 50 yards
from the finish line and there are 35 riders ahead of you, please try to
reighn in your awesome power. You're not going to win, you're not going to
place in the top 10, or even the top 20. Sure, it's important to practice
your sprint if you want to get better, but maybe this isn't the safest time
or place to do that. Believe me--nobody, and I mean NOBODY--is caring about
whether you take 34th vs. 35th at a Monday night 4/5 race at PIR...

So if you find yourself in that position again, just relax, sit back down,
and enjoy the ending of the race from a safe, stable position. Just
finishing one of these races safely is something you can be proud of, OK?
Thanks, buddy.

On 6/22/06, .David.Auker. wrote:
>
>
>
> Robert Nobles wrote:
>
> > _(...)HOLD YOUR LINE_ and you don't have to "communicate". The people
> > who "communicate" in the pack are usually the less skilled riders.(...)
>
>
> On the subject of "communicating" in the pack, whether it be
> strategic/maneuver/chat-oriented, you don't have to actually look at the
> rider you're talking to. I think this is a no-brainer, but occasionally
> a rider will be chatting, looking at the rider beside him...all the
> while rolling at 25-30 mph. Things can happen very quickly, and senses
> need to remain keen and focused.
> .
> Somewhat related race story:
> .
> Shawn Wallace, a really good Australian rider is in front of me at a
> good-money Seattle race, one lap to go. Cash goes to 20, and we're in a
> break of about 20. Feeling good, guaranteed payday! Shawn looks back
> over his shoulder to check on our distance from the chasing pack. He
> overlaps wheels in the process, and fails to see our slight change of
> direction. Bam! (That's the sound of him crashing, me going down,
> too...) Stupid way to end the race for two of us. Riders with less
> restraint than me would have started punching him...
> .
> "Keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel"
> .
> David
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.David.Auker.

Robert Nobles wrote:

> _(...)HOLD YOUR LINE_ and you don't have to "communicate". The people
> who "communicate" in the pack are usually the less skilled riders.(...)

On the subject of "communicating" in the pack, whether it be
strategic/maneuver/chat-oriented, you don't have to actually look at the
rider you're talking to. I think this is a no-brainer, but occasionally
a rider will be chatting, looking at the rider beside him...all the
while rolling at 25-30 mph. Things can happen very quickly, and senses
need to remain keen and focused.
.
Somewhat related race story:
.
Shawn Wallace, a really good Australian rider is in front of me at a
good-money Seattle race, one lap to go. Cash goes to 20, and we're in a
break of about 20. Feeling good, guaranteed payday! Shawn looks back
over his shoulder to check on our distance from the chasing pack. He
overlaps wheels in the process, and fails to see our slight change of
direction. Bam! (That's the sound of him crashing, me going down,
too...) Stupid way to end the race for two of us. Riders with less
restraint than me would have started punching him...
.
"Keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel"
.
David

Joe Cipale

And while Robert is at it:
When taking a turn, DO NOT sprint hard to overtake a rider on your INSIDE and dive inside to grab the line! THAT IS DANGEROUS RIDING! And THAT has
caused just as many crashes by:
1 - Forcing a person to grab brake
2 - Force other riders to grab brake and go into a skid
3 - Result in a wheel touch and a crash

Lets face it - the majority of us DO THIS FOR FUN! We have lost that chance
for that big Pro deal. We will NEVER see the Tour as anything other than a
spectator. Ride with common sense and YOUR safety in mind and a lot of
crashes can be avoided.

Joe

Robert Nobles wrote:

> At the 3/4 PIR much, I do not do the last lap, unless I can force a break. Why would I do it? I am not a sprinter or a lead-out. Many of the other non-sprinters who do the last lap cannot hold their line as the field passes them, or there are the guys who are strong enough to stay in the leadout draft, but also cannot hold their line.
>
> HOLD YOUR LINE and you don't have to "communicate". The people who "communicate" in the pack are usually the less skilled riders. Do not make intentional contact, do not tell me "inside" or "on your left". You have room or you do not. If you need to say "inside" you either do not have room, you do not have the confidence to be "inside", or you are saying "inside" to try to make room. None of these are acceptable at the Cat. 3 level. JUST HOLD YOUR LINE..
>
>
>
> Scott McElroy wrote:
> Agree with Ed?s comments. The average speed was 24mph yesterday. I heard a crash behind me on the sprint, however didn?t know it was bad. There was a lot of wheel lapping, bumping and grinding. Riders need to communicate with each other on position, touches to say you are there, and holding lines. It is a great place to ride and very safe if done properly.
>
>
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>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Edward Kendrick Sr
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:03 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR Tuesday Night Crash in the 3/4's
>
>
> Thank you. Although I only do this race a handful of times per year, the two I've done this year both featured very bad crashes. Two years ago, I got caught in one and my hand took months to recover.
>
>
>
> Crashing is expensive.
>
>
>
> I've noticed that you can either get towards the front on the last lap and stay safe, or you can deliberately ride about 30 feet off the back and watch the crashes happen with enough room to avoid them. I hope Dan keeps his spirits up and recovers quickly. See you in July!
>
> J Inscoe wrote:
>
> In case anyone was wondering how the guy was doing that went down in the 3/4's race...
>
> His name is Dan Antonson and he rides for Bike Peddler. His crash left him with bruised and broken ribs and a collapsed lung. Should be in the hospital till Saturday or Sunday.
>
> Folks, please be careful out there...
>
> J. Inscoe
> Therapeutic Associates Cycling
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At the 3/4 PIR much, I do not do the last lap, unless I can force a break. Why would I do it? I am not a sprinter or a lead-out. Many of the other non-sprinters who do the last lap cannot hold their line as the field passes them, or there are the guys who are strong enough to stay in the leadout draft, but also cannot hold their line.

HOLD YOUR LINE and you don't have to "communicate". The people who "communicate" in the pack are usually the less skilled riders. Do not make intentional contact, do not tell me "inside" or "on your left". You have room or you do not. If you need to say "inside" you either do not have room, you do not have the confidence to be "inside", or you are saying "inside" to try to make room. None of these are acceptable at the Cat. 3 level. JUST HOLD YOUR LINE..



Scott McElroy wrote:
Agree with Ed?s comments. The average speed was 24mph yesterday. I heard a crash behind me on the sprint, however didn?t know it was bad. There was a lot of wheel lapping, bumping and grinding. Riders need to communicate with each other on position, touches to say you are there, and holding lines. It is a great place to ride and very safe if done properly.


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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Edward Kendrick Sr
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:03 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR Tuesday Night Crash in the 3/4's

Thank you. Although I only do this race a handful of times per year, the two I've done this year both featured very bad crashes. Two years ago, I got caught in one and my hand took months to recover.

Crashing is expensive.

I've noticed that you can either get towards the front on the last lap and stay safe, or you can deliberately ride about 30 feet off the back and watch the crashes happen with enough room to avoid them. I hope Dan keeps his spirits up and recovers quickly. See you in July!

J Inscoe wrote:

In case anyone was wondering how the guy was doing that went down in the 3/4's race...

His name is Dan Antonson and he rides for Bike Peddler. His crash left him with bruised and broken ribs and a collapsed lung. Should be in the hospital till Saturday or Sunday.

Folks, please be careful out there...

J. Inscoe
Therapeutic Associates Cycling
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