Altitude Tent Article

jakebigham

2006-07-26

I don't think that it is the same as blood doping. How many have died
from abusing their tent?
I know it is hard to draw a bright line, but to me Altitude tents
don't meet the threshold.
Jake
On Jul 26, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Vicki Schroeder wrote:

>
> Unenforceable. Will only tents be banned or will sleeping at altitude
> and training at sea level also be banned? How will they tell the
> difference? Will they assign an official to each athlete to monitor
> them daily? A bureaucrat's delight!
>
> Vicki
>
> --- KG wrote:
>
>> This is straight-up blood doping without a needle. This is what they
>> say on their homepage http://altitudetraining.com/home
>> Tour de France5 of top 6 GC finishers use CATFor years, CAT has
>> supplied altitude simulation to a majority of the top Pro Tour
>> cyclists. Every year, our riders win one of the jerseys, one year we
>> won all four. This year was no exception. Congrats to all of the CAT
>> riders! Looks like Phil Knight built a house in NW Pdx for something
>> called "The Oregon Project".
>>
> http://altitudetraining.com/main/company/media/pressreleases/
> OregonProject
>>
>> I haven't a clue as to how this could ever be reined in.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Rob Burkhart
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:52:02 PM
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Altitude Tent Article
>>
>> The NY Times has an interesting article regarding WADA's pending
>> decision on whether or not to ban altitude tents:
>>
>>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/sports/othersports/
> 26altitude.html?
> hp&ex=1153886400&en=37985d6063c51880&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>> (accessing this may require that you register with the NYT - I can
>> post the text if anyone would like it)
>>
>> Just out of curiousity, has anyone out there used one of these
>> things? (Wasn't there a Dr. Kevorkian who helped with the initial
>> design of these...?)
>>
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J.Michael Manning

2006-07-26





In response to all the hoopla about altitude tents...I am one who has always promoted the use of intelligent science to further the attempts to optimize human performance in sport. Oxygen tents or intermittent hypoxic training are a part of my dream performance center scenario. I would love to try it and see for myself. However, there are several factors that inhibit me in this experimental endeavor. The primary obstacle is the price. Secondly, there needs to be more definitive positive results obtained in the real world before I plunk down that kind of cash. Much of the evidence of purported improved performance is sketchy at best. Check out this link from Peak Performance for a more detailed report: http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/altitude-training-effects.html.
Coach Mike Manning


>From: "Rob Burkhart"
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Altitude Tent Article
>Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:52:02 -0700
>
>
>
>The NY Times has an interesting article regarding WADA's pending decision on whether or not to ban altitude tents:
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/sports/othersports/26altitude.html?hp&ex=1153886400&en=37985d6063c51880&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
>(accessing this may require that you register with the NYT - I can post the text if anyone would like it)
>
>Just out of curiousity, has anyone out there used one of these things?  (Wasn't there a Dr. Kevorkian who helped with the initial design of these...?)
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Leibowitz, Flo

2006-07-26

And while they're at it, will they decide that carb loading and worrying about high vs. low glycemic foods is impermissible technology, too? The headline suggests that Wada's worry is "passive" vs. "active" technologies for athetics. Nutrition seems as much the former as the latter to me.


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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org on behalf of Vicki Schroeder
Sent: Wed 7/26/2006 8:26 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Altitude Tent Article

Unenforceable. Will only tents be banned or will sleeping at altitude
and training at sea level also be banned? How will they tell the
difference? Will they assign an official to each athlete to monitor
them daily? A bureaucrat's delight!

Vicki

--- KG wrote:

> This is straight-up blood doping without a needle. This is what they
> say on their homepage http://altitudetraining.com/home
> Tour de France5 of top 6 GC finishers use CATFor years, CAT has
> supplied altitude simulation to a majority of the top Pro Tour
> cyclists. Every year, our riders win one of the jerseys, one year we
> won all four. This year was no exception. Congrats to all of the CAT
> riders! Looks like Phil Knight built a house in NW Pdx for something
> called "The Oregon Project".
>
http://altitudetraining.com/main/company/media/pressreleases/OregonProject
>
> I haven't a clue as to how this could ever be reined in.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rob Burkhart
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:52:02 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Altitude Tent Article
>
> The NY Times has an interesting article regarding WADA's pending
> decision on whether or not to ban altitude tents:
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/sports/othersports/26altitude.html?hp&ex=1153886400&en=37985d6063c51880&ei=5094&partner=homepage
> (accessing this may require that you register with the NYT - I can
> post the text if anyone would like it)
>
> Just out of curiousity, has anyone out there used one of these
> things? (Wasn't there a Dr. Kevorkian who helped with the initial
> design of these...?)
>
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Rick C Johnson

2006-07-26

They could use those GPS tracking bracelets like they use on criminals.
Wouldn't that be great?
(note heavy sarcasm)

Rick

Vicki Schroeder wrote:

>Unenforceable. Will only tents be banned or will sleeping at altitude
>and training at sea level also be banned? How will they tell the
>difference? Will they assign an official to each athlete to monitor
>them daily? A bureaucrat's delight!
>
>Vicki
>
>--- KG wrote:
>
>
>
>>This is straight-up blood doping without a needle. This is what they
>>say on their homepage http://altitudetraining.com/home
>>Tour de France5 of top 6 GC finishers use CATFor years, CAT has
>>supplied altitude simulation to a majority of the top Pro Tour
>>cyclists. Every year, our riders win one of the jerseys, one year we
>>won all four. This year was no exception. Congrats to all of the CAT
>>riders! Looks like Phil Knight built a house in NW Pdx for something
>>called "The Oregon Project".
>>
>>
>>
>http://altitudetraining.com/main/company/media/pressreleases/OregonProject
>
>
>>I haven't a clue as to how this could ever be reined in.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Rob Burkhart
>>To: obra@list.obra.org
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:52:02 PM
>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Altitude Tent Article
>>
>> The NY Times has an interesting article regarding WADA's pending
>>decision on whether or not to ban altitude tents:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/sports/othersports/26altitude.html?hp&ex=1153886400&en=37985d6063c51880&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
>
>> (accessing this may require that you register with the NYT - I can
>>post the text if anyone would like it)
>>
>>Just out of curiousity, has anyone out there used one of these
>>things? (Wasn't there a Dr. Kevorkian who helped with the initial
>>design of these...?)
>>
>>
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Vicki Schroeder

2006-07-26

Unenforceable. Will only tents be banned or will sleeping at altitude
and training at sea level also be banned? How will they tell the
difference? Will they assign an official to each athlete to monitor
them daily? A bureaucrat's delight!

Vicki

--- KG wrote:

> This is straight-up blood doping without a needle. This is what they
> say on their homepage http://altitudetraining.com/home
> Tour de France5 of top 6 GC finishers use CATFor years, CAT has
> supplied altitude simulation to a majority of the top Pro Tour
> cyclists. Every year, our riders win one of the jerseys, one year we
> won all four. This year was no exception. Congrats to all of the CAT
> riders! Looks like Phil Knight built a house in NW Pdx for something
> called "The Oregon Project".
>
http://altitudetraining.com/main/company/media/pressreleases/OregonProject
>
> I haven't a clue as to how this could ever be reined in.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rob Burkhart
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:52:02 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Altitude Tent Article
>
> The NY Times has an interesting article regarding WADA's pending
> decision on whether or not to ban altitude tents:
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/sports/othersports/26altitude.html?hp&ex=1153886400&en=37985d6063c51880&ei=5094&partner=homepage
> (accessing this may require that you register with the NYT - I can
> post the text if anyone would like it)
>
> Just out of curiousity, has anyone out there used one of these
> things? (Wasn't there a Dr. Kevorkian who helped with the initial
> design of these...?)
>
>
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Steve Brown

2006-07-26

What they don't say is how many in the last 50 in the GC also used the
device. Also noted on the home page is a piece relating to training
for the NFL evaluation camps. Vertical leap, 40yd dash and bench
pressing maximum reps at 225# are the key criteria for the NFL. This is
basically ATP stuff, not endurance events. I am not a doctor, but had
enough exposure to strength training and sprinting to be a little
suspect. Might be nice marketing fluff, but not anywhere near blood
doping. Oregon project has been going on for sometime and has yet to
produce a "tour winner" type athlete.
My point is that if these guys can't seem to distinguish between
strength and endurance, maybe their science is not so hot on this
device either. It might not cause any harm but doubt that it does much
to improve performance. Train in the gorge and sleep on Mt. Hood.
Didn't Bill Koch do that?

Steve Brown
On Jul 26, 2006, at 7:54 AM, KG wrote:

> This is straight-up blood doping without a needle.  This is what they
> say on their homepage http://altitudetraining.com/home
>
> Tour de France
>
> 5 of top 6 GC finishers use CAT
>
> For years, CAT has supplied altitude simulation to a majority of the
> top Pro Tour cyclists. Every year, our riders win one of the jerseys,
> one year we won all four. This year was no exception. Congrats to all
> of the CAT riders!
> Looks like Phil Knight built a house in NW Pdx for something called
> "The Oregon Project".
> http://altitudetraining.com/main/company/media/pressreleases/
> OregonProject
>
> I haven't a clue as to how this could ever be reined in.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rob Burkhart
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:52:02 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Altitude Tent Article
>
>
> The NY Times has an interesting article regarding WADA's pending
> decision on whether or not to ban altitude tents:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/sports/othersports/26altitude.html?
> hp&ex=1153886400&en=37985d6063c51880&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
> (accessing this may require that you register with the NYT - I can
> post the text if anyone would like it)
>
> Just out of curiousity, has anyone out there used one of these
> things?  (Wasn't there a Dr. Kevorkian who helped with the initial
> design of these...?)
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KG

2006-07-26

This is straight-up blood doping without a needle. This is what they say on their homepage http://altitudetraining.com/home
Tour de France5 of top 6 GC finishers use CATFor years, CAT has supplied altitude simulation to a majority of the top Pro Tour cyclists. Every year, our riders win one of the jerseys, one year we won all four. This year was no exception. Congrats to all of the CAT riders! Looks like Phil Knight built a house in NW Pdx for something called "The Oregon Project".
http://altitudetraining.com/main/company/media/pressreleases/OregonProject

I haven't a clue as to how this could ever be reined in.

----- Original Message ----
From: Rob Burkhart
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:52:02 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Altitude Tent Article

The NY Times has an interesting article regarding WADA's pending decision on whether or not to ban altitude tents:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/sports/othersports/26altitude.html?hp&ex=1153886400&en=37985d6063c51880&ei=5094&partner=homepage
(accessing this may require that you register with the NYT - I can post the text if anyone would like it)

Just out of curiousity, has anyone out there used one of these things? (Wasn't there a Dr. Kevorkian who helped with the initial design of these...?)

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Rob Burkhart

2006-07-25


The NY Times has an interesting article regarding WADA's pending decision on whether or not to ban altitude tents:


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/sports/othersports/26altitude.html?hp&ex=1153886400&en=37985d6063c51880&ei=5094&partner=homepage


(accessing this may require that you register with the NYT - I can post the text if anyone would like it)

Just out of curiousity, has anyone out there used one of these things?  (Wasn't there a Dr. Kevorkian who helped with the initial design of these...?)


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