kennettp@comcast.net
Im looking for a ride up to vancouver this weekend for the criterium on sunday. I am racing at 6pm in the cat 3'. sorry for the second email, but I forgot to say that I am in Eugene. I'll buy coffee and gas in return for the lift.
kennett peterson
971-235-5488
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> 1. Re: Landis Doping. Food for thought (Thomas Hoffman)
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> 3. Re: Landis doping (Adrian Black)
> 4. Re: Landis doping (Pollock, EuanX A)
> 5. Oakridge Photos (masessa@charter.net)
> 6. Re: Landis Doping. Food for thought (Martin Baker)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:22:34 -0700
> From: "Thomas Hoffman"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis Doping. Food for thought
> To: "'Ron Frerichs'" ,
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> "...if that guy had sex 4 times the night
> before getting a bronze medal, he had to be on something"
>
> Yeah, Viagra!
>
> ~~)(~~-----Original Message-----
> ~~)(~~From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On
> ~~)(~~Behalf Of Ron Frerichs
> ~~)(~~Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:01 AM
> ~~)(~~To: gmalcolm@professionalcredit.com; obra@list.obra.org
> ~~)(~~Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis Doping. Food for thought
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~If having sex raises testosterone, why do we fall asleep afterwards,
> instead
> ~~)(~~of going to lift weights? Besides, if that guy had sex 4 times the
> night
> ~~)(~~before getting a bronze medal, he had to be on something.
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> ~~)(~~To: obra@list.obra.org
> ~~)(~~Subject: [OBRA Chat] Landis Doping. Food for thought
> ~~)(~~Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:36:33 -0700
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~Aren't most physiological changes the result of hormonal "signaling"?
> As our
> ~~)(~~understanding of that signaling improves, will there be a point at
> which the
> ~~)(~~signaling due to training will be indistinguishable from what can be
> done
> ~~)(~~with drugs? That is, at some point the drugs become not merely "hard
> to
> ~~)(~~spot", but identical to natural processes, in all ways but the
> starting
> ~~)(~~point of the signaling.
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~ For example: "[Dennis] Mitchell, an Olympic bronze medallist, claims
> to
> ~~)(~~have personally experienced the effect having sex had on his
> testosterone
> ~~)(~~level. He was immediately banned from competition in 1998 after
> testing
> ~~)(~~positive for having higher than normal levels of testosterone in his
> body an
> ~~)(~~indication that he was supplementing his natural level by taking
> additional
> ~~)(~~doses of the hormone in order to enhance his performance. Mitchell's
> ~~)(~~defense, which prevailed on appeal, was that his positive drug test
> was the
> ~~)(~~result of having had sex four times (and drinking five bottles of
> beer) the
> ~~)(~~night before the test was administered"
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~Better stop drinking beer...
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:23:33 -0700
> From: "Keith A. Prior"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis doping
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> I am so fu$%ing sick of this sh%t.
>
> I am finished with being a fan of professional cycling and am
> going to find another sport to be a fan of!!
>
> Hmmm...Lets see...Cricket! Yea man..Cricket!
>
> I wonder if there is a big doping problem with professional Cricket players
> in India?!
>
> -K
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:28:29 -0700
> From: Adrian Black
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis doping
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> Shouldn't he be getting ready for hip surgery anyway? Which also reminds
> me - he was supposedly getting approved cortisone shots to manage his
> hip pain. Any biochemists care to elaborate on the relationship between
> cortisone and testosterone?
>
> Thomas Hoffman wrote:
> >
> > But if he is under ?investigation? it makes sense to me. Same rules
> > for Ulrich and Basso
> >
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> > *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> > *On Behalf Of *Brian Baumann
> > *Sent:* Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:52 AM
> > *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis doping
> >
> > The cycling analyst for ESPN commented that not a single rider that
> > has disputed a positive testosterone test has lost. Good news for
> > Floyd I guess. Not showing up at all of these high paying (100k) crits
> > doesn't seem to help his case though.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:28:31 -0700
> From: "Pollock, EuanX A"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis doping
> To: "Keith A. Prior" ,
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> They actual encourage drug use in cricket - it's stimulants to keep the
> spectators awake!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Keith A. Prior
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:24 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis doping
>
> I am so fu$%ing sick of this sh%t.
>
> I am finished with being a fan of professional cycling and am going to
> find another sport to be a fan of!!
>
> Hmmm...Lets see...Cricket! Yea man..Cricket!
>
> I wonder if there is a big doping problem with professional Cricket
> players in India?!
>
> -K
>
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:35:20 -0700
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> Anyone know who the photographer was at Oakridge FTF last weekend?
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:45:32 -0700
> From: "Martin Baker"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis Doping. Food for thought
> To: "'Thomas Hoffman'" , "'Ron Frerichs'"
> , ,
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> Well that would definitely be a "performance" enhancing drug...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Thomas Hoffman
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:23 AM
> To: 'Ron Frerichs'; gmalcolm@professionalcredit.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis Doping. Food for thought
>
> "...if that guy had sex 4 times the night
> before getting a bronze medal, he had to be on something"
>
> Yeah, Viagra!
>
> ~~)(~~-----Original Message-----
> ~~)(~~From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On
> ~~)(~~Behalf Of Ron Frerichs
> ~~)(~~Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:01 AM
> ~~)(~~To: gmalcolm@professionalcredit.com; obra@list.obra.org
> ~~)(~~Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis Doping. Food for thought
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~If having sex raises testosterone, why do we fall asleep afterwards,
> instead
> ~~)(~~of going to lift weights? Besides, if that guy had sex 4 times the
> night
> ~~)(~~before getting a bronze medal, he had to be on something.
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> ~~)(~~To: obra@list.obra.org
> ~~)(~~Subject: [OBRA Chat] Landis Doping. Food for thought
> ~~)(~~Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:36:33 -0700
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~Aren't most physiological changes the result of hormonal "signaling"?
> As our
> ~~)(~~understanding of that signaling improves, will there be a point at
> which the
> ~~)(~~signaling due to training will be indistinguishable from what can be
> done
> ~~)(~~with drugs? That is, at some point the drugs become not merely "hard
> to
> ~~)(~~spot", but identical to natural processes, in all ways but the
> starting
> ~~)(~~point of the signaling.
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~ For example: "[Dennis] Mitchell, an Olympic bronze medallist, claims
> to
> ~~)(~~have personally experienced the effect having sex had on his
> testosterone
> ~~)(~~level. He was immediately banned from competition in 1998 after
> testing
> ~~)(~~positive for having higher than normal levels of testosterone in his
> body an
> ~~)(~~indication that he was supplementing his natural level by taking
> additional
> ~~)(~~doses of the hormone in order to enhance his performance. Mitchell's
> ~~)(~~defense, which prevailed on appeal, was that his positive drug test
> was the
> ~~)(~~result of having had sex four times (and drinking five bottles of
> beer) the
> ~~)(~~night before the test was administered"
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~Better stop drinking beer...
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~Gary Malcolm
> ~~)(~~
> ~~)(~~find / -name '*your_base*' -exec chown us:us {} \;
> ~~)(~~
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:51:06 -0700
> From: "Erik Voldengen"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Stem and Bars
> To:
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> Salsa Moto-Ace Stem:
> - Black
> - 130mm length
> - 115 degree rise - pretty high, stem fits like 120mm.
> - For Oversized bars (31.8)
> - 1 year old, very good condition
> - Ridden maybe 2-3 times.
> - $20
>
> New FSA RD-330 handlebar
> - Black
> - 44cm c-c
> - 31.8 (Oversized)
> - very nice ergo shape, transition to drops is very
> flat, doesn't slope down like older bar designs.
> - Mounted once, never ridden, never taped.
> - $22
>
> Modolo 6 bend handlebar
> - Silver
> - 46cm o-o
> - 26.0 (Standard)
> - unique shape
> - About 1 year old, probably 2 months use
> - $7
>
> I'll probably be at the crit this weekend and PIR on Tuesdays.
>
> -Erik
>
>
>
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