Re: Oregon Crit Championships

Mike Murray

2006-08-07

If you are a Cat 3 you cannot ride in a Cat 4 only race.

Mike Murray

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
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Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 09:18 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org; LAMBRA_racing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Crit Championships

This happens in many USCF races. In those road races, a rider can get
dropped after about 15 miles. Then the 4's catch you. Oh sure, let them
pass you, so you can fight the wind again and get caught by the 5's, too?

Conclusion: Just ride Cat. 4.

Gary Malcolm wrote:

Ooops... will there be a Cat 3 Crit championship race, because I have spent
much of my season being beaten up by Pro 1, 2's?

Thanks,

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Mike Murray

2006-08-07

The downgrading rules for OBRA and USCF are:

"Downgrade Guidelines: Riders who do not score points in a 12 month period
may elect to be downgraded one category.
Riders will not be downgraded lower than Category 4. "

Of course, here in Oregon most races offer a Cat 3 field since that is the
largest group. The point is that riders may not self select and
categorization is based on specific criteria and does not change back and
forth from race to race.

Mike

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Edward Kendrick Sr
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 13:51 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Crit Championships

If a USCF Cat. 3 can show a pattern of near-last place finishes, and most
races in the district have no alternative, other than 1, 2, 3 mass starts,
then a case can be made for downgrading. This requires written approval
from USCF, and should not be taken lightly.

Riders in Texas, for example, don't generally have this problem, because the
3's get their own races. If a Texas 3, moves somewhere where they will
routinely have to compete with the team that won the Tour of French Guianna
(sp?), it can prompt some soul searching.

I did not mean to imply that a rider can race without the proper
documentation.

Candi Murray wrote:

They do require that you race only in the category you are rated in.
Candi

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Behalf Of Curt Dewees
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:00 AM
To: Edward Kendrick Sr
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; LAMBRA_racing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Crit Championships

I thought that OBRA rules require a rider to race with his or her category
and not "downgrade" just because they don't feel like competing in the race
category they fit into. If that's true, then "just ride Cat. 4" isn't
really a valid option for a Cat. 3 racers.


On 8/7/06, Edward Kendrick Sr wrote:
This happens in many USCF races. In those road races, a rider can get
dropped after about 15 miles. Then the 4's catch you. Oh sure, let them
pass you, so you can fight the wind again and get caught by the 5's, too?

Conclusion: Just ride Cat. 4.

Gary Malcolm wrote:

Ooops... will there be a Cat 3 Crit championship race, because I have spent
much of my season being beaten up by Pro 1, 2's?

Thanks,

--
Gary Malcolm
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Edward Kendrick Sr

2006-08-07

If a USCF Cat. 3 can show a pattern of near-last place finishes, and most races in the district have no alternative, other than 1, 2, 3 mass starts, then a case can be made for downgrading. This requires written approval from USCF, and should not be taken lightly.

Riders in Texas, for example, don't generally have this problem, because the 3's get their own races. If a Texas 3, moves somewhere where they will routinely have to compete with the team that won the Tour of French Guianna (sp?), it can prompt some soul searching.

I did not mean to imply that a rider can race without the proper documentation.

Candi Murray wrote:
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Candi


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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Curt Dewees
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:00 AM
To: Edward Kendrick Sr
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; LAMBRA_racing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Crit Championships


I thought that OBRA rules require a rider to race with his or her category and not "downgrade" just because they don't feel like competing in the race category they fit into. If that's true, then "just ride Cat. 4" isn't really a valid option for a Cat. 3 racers.


On 8/7/06, Edward Kendrick Sr wrote:
This happens in many USCF races. In those road races, a rider can get dropped after about 15 miles. Then the 4's catch you. Oh sure, let them pass you, so you can fight the wind again and get caught by the 5's, too?

Conclusion: Just ride Cat. 4.

Gary Malcolm wrote:

Ooops... will there be a Cat 3 Crit championship race, because I have spent much of my season being beaten up by Pro 1, 2's?

Thanks,

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Candi Murray

2006-08-07

They do require that you race only in the category you are rated in.

Candi

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Curt Dewees

2006-08-07

I thought that OBRA rules require a rider to race with his or her category
and not "downgrade" just because they don't feel like competing in the race
category they fit into. If that's true, then "just ride Cat. 4" isn't
really a valid option for a Cat. 3 racers.

On 8/7/06, Edward Kendrick Sr wrote:
>
> This happens in many USCF races. In those road races, a rider can get
> dropped after about 15 miles. Then the 4's catch you. Oh sure, let them
> pass you, so you can fight the wind again and get caught by the 5's, too?
>
> Conclusion: Just ride Cat. 4.
>
> *Gary Malcolm * wrote:
>
> Ooops... will there be a Cat 3 Crit championship race, because I have
> spent much of my season being beaten up by Pro 1, 2's?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Malcolm
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Edward Kendrick Sr

2006-08-07

This happens in many USCF races. In those road races, a rider can get dropped after about 15 miles. Then the 4's catch you. Oh sure, let them pass you, so you can fight the wind again and get caught by the 5's, too?

Conclusion: Just ride Cat. 4.

Gary Malcolm wrote:
Ooops... will there be a Cat 3 Crit championship race, because I have spent much of my season being beaten up by Pro 1, 2's?

Thanks,

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Gary Malcolm
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