Advice

Rick C Johnson

2006-08-24

The Basic Rule can be and is often superseded by local authorities as
noted. Therefore where you are stopped is a critical factor in the
arguability of the situation.
Your best course of action is to demonstrate your understanding of the
Basic Rule at the time you are stopped. I have avoided receiving many
citations this way. You will note the officer often initiates the stop
with a a statement such as, "I've stopped you because I believe you were
going a bit too fast."
Your immediate response should be something like, "No Sir, considering
the clear visibility and good road conditions I feel my speed was quite
reasonable." In inclimate weather I will also point out that I drive
that particular road and understand the different conditions I may
encounter. In winter I will point out that my vehicle is equipped to
monitor outside temperature so I will be forewarned if icy conditions
develop. Often, after the check for wants and warrants comes back clean,
it's "have a nice day."
The key is demonstrating that you are taking your driving
responsibilities seriously despite the fact that your speed maybe above
the 85th percentile.

Rick

Monty Hill wrote:

>One thought that is often overlooked. In Oregon we do not have speed limits. Did you ever notice that when you drive from Washington, Idaho, California all the signs say SPEED LIMIT 75 etc, as soon as you hit Oregon the signs posted say SPEED 65. There are however speed control corridors for example in Salem the posted sign does say SPEED LIMIT 65. In these areas you are much more likely to get a ticket for going 75.
>
>In Oregon we have the basic speed law which essentially states that one must drive for the conditions. So you could go in and argue you were simply driving for the conditions. This usually only works in areas out an I 84 past Mosier where the road is dead straight and you can see 5 miles in front of you and 5 miles behind you without a car in site. You could argue your way out of ticket here as long as you were doing under 80. I have been passed by state trouper, not in pursuit, when I was doing 75.
>
>However the courts usually defer to the officers discretion.
>
>
>
>>>>scott klinger 8/23/2006 6:08 pm >>>
>>>>
>>>>
>1. plead not guilty, set a court date, hope the
>officer doesn't show up to court and it gets
>dismissed....
>2. pay the ticket as described on the back of your
>yellow copy, realize what a great learning opportunity
>it is...and.....
>3. next time, slow down....
>
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Steve Brown

2006-08-24

Try the Lawyer ride today at noon, Pioneer Place, corner by Nordstroms.
On Aug 24, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Monty Hill wrote:

> One thought that is often overlooked. In Oregon we do not have speed
> limits. Did you ever notice that when you drive from Washington,
> Idaho, California all the signs say SPEED LIMIT 75 etc, as soon as you
> hit Oregon the signs posted say SPEED 65. There are however speed
> control corridors for example in Salem the posted sign does say SPEED
> LIMIT 65. In these areas you are much more likely to get a ticket for
> going 75.
>
> In Oregon we have the basic speed law which essentially states that
> one must drive for the conditions. So you could go in and argue you
> were simply driving for the conditions. This usually only works in
> areas out an I 84 past Mosier where the road is dead straight and you
> can see 5 miles in front of you and 5 miles behind you without a car
> in site. You could argue your way out of ticket here as long as you
> were doing under 80. I have been passed by state trouper, not in
> pursuit, when I was doing 75.
>
> However the courts usually defer to the officers discretion.
>
>>>> scott klinger 8/23/2006 6:08 pm >>>
> 1. plead not guilty, set a court date, hope the
> officer doesn't show up to court and it gets
> dismissed....
> 2. pay the ticket as described on the back of your
> yellow copy, realize what a great learning opportunity
> it is...and.....
> 3. next time, slow down....
>
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Monty Hill

2006-08-24

One thought that is often overlooked. In Oregon we do not have speed limits. Did you ever notice that when you drive from Washington, Idaho, California all the signs say SPEED LIMIT 75 etc, as soon as you hit Oregon the signs posted say SPEED 65. There are however speed control corridors for example in Salem the posted sign does say SPEED LIMIT 65. In these areas you are much more likely to get a ticket for going 75.

In Oregon we have the basic speed law which essentially states that one must drive for the conditions. So you could go in and argue you were simply driving for the conditions. This usually only works in areas out an I 84 past Mosier where the road is dead straight and you can see 5 miles in front of you and 5 miles behind you without a car in site. You could argue your way out of ticket here as long as you were doing under 80. I have been passed by state trouper, not in pursuit, when I was doing 75.

However the courts usually defer to the officers discretion.

>>> scott klinger 8/23/2006 6:08 pm >>>
1. plead not guilty, set a court date, hope the
officer doesn't show up to court and it gets
dismissed....
2. pay the ticket as described on the back of your
yellow copy, realize what a great learning opportunity
it is...and.....
3. next time, slow down....

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scott klinger

2006-08-23

1. plead not guilty, set a court date, hope the
officer doesn't show up to court and it gets
dismissed....
2. pay the ticket as described on the back of your
yellow copy, realize what a great learning opportunity
it is...and.....
3. next time, slow down....

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david baker

2006-08-23

commit a felony.
plead innocent to the felony and then before your trial agree to plead
guilty to the felony if they drop your speeding ticket.
I am afraid driving un-insured or taking a homeade raft to cuba are the only
other choices.
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Advice

> Does anyone have any suggestions about how to either get out of a speeding
> ticket or how to have it not show up on insurance? I live in Multnomah
> County and they dont offer defensive driving classes to reduce the ticket.
>
> Thanks
> Taylor
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Don't change insurance companies, they don't check up on you out of the blue!
and the county isn't going to be sending out information to everyone's insurance companies all the time...

But if you change insurance companies well then they do of course check up on new applicants.

Not getting speeding tickets is super easy. Just don't speed. Plus its safer for all involved. remember your energy and killing potential goes up with a square of your speed. 0.5*mass*velocity^2. Yeah so going just from 25 to 35 doubles your energy, and thus braking distance... There is a reason for going under 25 in residential, so less chance of killing little johnny who darts out in front of you.


Taylor Kneuven wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions about how to either get out of a speeding
ticket or how to have it not show up on insurance? I live in Multnomah
County and they dont offer defensive driving classes to reduce the ticket.

Thanks
Taylor

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Taylor Kneuven

2006-08-23

Does anyone have any suggestions about how to either get out of a speeding
ticket or how to have it not show up on insurance? I live in Multnomah
County and they dont offer defensive driving classes to reduce the ticket.

Thanks
Taylor