jake

its interesting that someone finaly touched on the subject of cb geeks...............copy,...over,........jake rosenfeld.--- On Wed 08/30, JOHN FORBES < johnffor1@msn.com > wrote:
From: JOHN FORBES [mailto: johnffor1@msn.com]To: gschreckchat@hughes.net, mike.murray@obra.org, obra@list.obra.orgDate: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:09:41 -0700Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

Well George, you could use a radio on your trip to Ashland. That way you won't get lost with all that distance.
----- Original Message ----- From: GEORGE SCHRECK To: mike.murray@obra.org ; obra@list.obra.org Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:47 PMSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peletonI think OBRA should launch its own satellite so we could get both sound and real time pictures. That way we could not only hear about the break, we could actually see it from above.Another option is for everyone to have CB radios with those whip antennas on our bicycles. We each could have a catchy handle and call one another asking such important information as what is your handle, how far apart we are and how well we are reading one another. The only time I had the misfortune to be forced to listen to CB talk, that seemed to be the entire converation with everyone over the course of three hours. Either of these seems to be as practical as having everyone in a pack trying to talk at the same time over radios while racing in close quarters. If we do get radios, I think we should increase the

medical insurance at the same time.----Original Message----From: mike.murray@obra.orgDate: 08/29/2006 3:35 PMTo: <obra@list.obra.org>Subj: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peletonThere has been much debate, particularly regarding professional bike racing,about the effect of use of radios by riders. There are advantages but thereare also significant disadvantages. There is no question that the use ofradios has changed the game.OBRA currently has no specific rule regarding radios, of for that matter MP3players, etc. I plan to propose rules on this subject for 2007. Currentlyofficials have been prohibiting use of music players using the "dangerousriding" rule which is, to my mind, correct.USCF allows riders to use only non-hand held one earpiece radios in roadraces with fields that include Pros and Cat 1 & 2 riders but not in Juniorraces. I have been told by the principles at ABR that they do not allowradios in any races but their rules do not specifically state
anythingregarding this. I believe that ACA follows the USCF convention but, onceagain, their rules do not state this. UCI prohibits use of rider radios inJunior races. I do not know what policies other racing organizations arefollowing. I am told that in European races that the officials are provided with radioswhich send and receive while support vehicles are given receive only radios.This is supported by the USCF rules which require such support for Cat Araces and by statements to this effect in the UCI rules.It is clear that direct communication on "race radio" by riders is notallowed by any other cycling organization.Personally, I think that opening up the "race radio" to all the riders in afield would be an invitation to disaster. Having the potential for all theriders, or even a substantial number of the riders, to contribute noise tothe system would make for too much confusion to an already imperfect system.Worse, the chance of a stuck transmit button effectively
blocking alltransmission goes up with the number of radios in the system. Having ridersfiddling with buttons to switch frequencies between team communication and"race radio" is likely to lead to crashes. Team radios alone have beensuggested as a contributing cause for serious crashes in pro races.Right now, there is nothing to prohibit riders from using radios on the"race radio". As long as this is only listening there will likely be fewproblems. To my mind there would also be little benefit for anyone too. Ifthere is talking, at least too much, then this will need to be prohibited.Mike Murray-----Original Message-----From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] OnBehalf Of Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 16:16 PMTo: obra@list.obra.orgSubject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peletonAs a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head whileracing:1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?2.) Where is the
break?3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)4.) Where's the wheel car?5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30 mph inmy ears?6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next lap?If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it benice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your spot inthe field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would you happilyshare your info with the group after fighting to get back on?In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this maneuver.In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one earpiece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask questionsof the officials.If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to theirteam car to get the team
doc to adjust their chamois butter, or whatever."Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies, only on theOBRA freq of 3-15.As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatterhappens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool tocommunicate issues/changes to the riders.There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rulebook that I could find.Should it be allowed?If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate thatonly one ear piece may be used.Ok, let's hear it...Fish_______________________________________________OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obraorg_______________________________________________OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obraorg_______________________________________________OBRA mailing
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Well George, you could use a radio on your trip to Ashland. That way you won't get lost with all that distance.
----- Original Message -----
From: GEORGE SCHRECK
To: mike.murray@obra.org ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

I think OBRA should launch its own satellite so we could get both sound
and real time pictures. That way we could not only hear about the
break, we could actually see it from above.

Another option is for everyone to have CB radios with those whip
antennas on our bicycles. We each could have a catchy handle and call
one another asking such important information as what is your handle,
how far apart we are and how well we are reading one another. The only
time I had the misfortune to be forced to listen to CB talk, that
seemed to be the entire converation with everyone over the course of
three hours.

Either of these seems to be as practical as having everyone in a pack
trying to talk at the same time over radios while racing in close
quarters. If we do get radios, I think we should increase the medical
insurance at the same time.

----Original Message----
From: mike.murray@obra.org
Date: 08/29/2006 3:35 PM
To: >
Subj: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

There has been much debate, particularly regarding professional bike
racing,
about the effect of use of radios by riders. There are advantages but
there
are also significant disadvantages. There is no question that the use
of
radios has changed the game.

OBRA currently has no specific rule regarding radios, of for that
matter MP3
players, etc. I plan to propose rules on this subject for 2007.
Currently
officials have been prohibiting use of music players using the
"dangerous
riding" rule which is, to my mind, correct.

USCF allows riders to use only non-hand held one earpiece radios in
road
races with fields that include Pros and Cat 1 & 2 riders but not in
Junior
races. I have been told by the principles at ABR that they do not
allow
radios in any races but their rules do not specifically state anything
regarding this. I believe that ACA follows the USCF convention but,
once
again, their rules do not state this. UCI prohibits use of rider
radios in
Junior races. I do not know what policies other racing organizations
are
following.

I am told that in European races that the officials are provided with
radios
which send and receive while support vehicles are given receive only
radios.
This is supported by the USCF rules which require such support for Cat
A
races and by statements to this effect in the UCI rules.

It is clear that direct communication on "race radio" by riders is not
allowed by any other cycling organization.

Personally, I think that opening up the "race radio" to all the riders
in a
field would be an invitation to disaster. Having the potential for
all the
riders, or even a substantial number of the riders, to contribute
noise to
the system would make for too much confusion to an already imperfect
system.
Worse, the chance of a stuck transmit button effectively blocking all
transmission goes up with the number of radios in the system. Having
riders
fiddling with buttons to switch frequencies between team communication
and
"race radio" is likely to lead to crashes. Team radios alone have
been
suggested as a contributing cause for serious crashes in pro races.

Right now, there is nothing to prohibit riders from using radios on
the
"race radio". As long as this is only listening there will likely be
few
problems. To my mind there would also be little benefit for anyone
too. If
there is talking, at least too much, then this will need to be
prohibited.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 16:16 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
racing:
1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
2.) Where is the break?
3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
4.) Where's the wheel car?
5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
mph in
my ears?
6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
lap?

If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't
it be
nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
spot in
the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would you
happily
share your info with the group after fighting to get back on?

In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
maneuver.

In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.

I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with
one ear
piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.

Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
questions
of the officials.

If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
their
team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
whatever.
"Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies, only on
the
OBRA freq of 3-15.

As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
communicate issues/changes to the riders.

There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA
rule
book that I could find.

Should it be allowed?

If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to
stipulate that
only one ear piece may be used.

Ok, let's hear it...

Fish

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GEORGE SCHRECK

I think OBRA should launch its own satellite so we could get both sound
and real time pictures. That way we could not only hear about the
break, we could actually see it from above.

Another option is for everyone to have CB radios with those whip
antennas on our bicycles. We each could have a catchy handle and call
one another asking such important information as what is your handle,
how far apart we are and how well we are reading one another. The only
time I had the misfortune to be forced to listen to CB talk, that
seemed to be the entire converation with everyone over the course of
three hours.

Either of these seems to be as practical as having everyone in a pack
trying to talk at the same time over radios while racing in close
quarters. If we do get radios, I think we should increase the medical
insurance at the same time.

----Original Message----
From: mike.murray@obra.org
Date: 08/29/2006 3:35 PM
To:
Subj: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

There has been much debate, particularly regarding professional bike
racing,
about the effect of use of radios by riders. There are advantages but
there
are also significant disadvantages. There is no question that the use
of
radios has changed the game.

OBRA currently has no specific rule regarding radios, of for that
matter MP3
players, etc. I plan to propose rules on this subject for 2007.
Currently
officials have been prohibiting use of music players using the
"dangerous
riding" rule which is, to my mind, correct.

USCF allows riders to use only non-hand held one earpiece radios in
road
races with fields that include Pros and Cat 1 & 2 riders but not in
Junior
races. I have been told by the principles at ABR that they do not
allow
radios in any races but their rules do not specifically state anything
regarding this. I believe that ACA follows the USCF convention but,
once
again, their rules do not state this. UCI prohibits use of rider
radios in
Junior races. I do not know what policies other racing organizations
are
following.

I am told that in European races that the officials are provided with
radios
which send and receive while support vehicles are given receive only
radios.
This is supported by the USCF rules which require such support for Cat
A
races and by statements to this effect in the UCI rules.

It is clear that direct communication on "race radio" by riders is not
allowed by any other cycling organization.

Personally, I think that opening up the "race radio" to all the riders
in a
field would be an invitation to disaster. Having the potential for
all the
riders, or even a substantial number of the riders, to contribute
noise to
the system would make for too much confusion to an already imperfect
system.
Worse, the chance of a stuck transmit button effectively blocking all
transmission goes up with the number of radios in the system. Having
riders
fiddling with buttons to switch frequencies between team communication
and
"race radio" is likely to lead to crashes. Team radios alone have
been
suggested as a contributing cause for serious crashes in pro races.

Right now, there is nothing to prohibit riders from using radios on
the
"race radio". As long as this is only listening there will likely be
few
problems. To my mind there would also be little benefit for anyone
too. If
there is talking, at least too much, then this will need to be
prohibited.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 16:16 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
racing:
1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
2.) Where is the break?
3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
4.) Where's the wheel car?
5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
mph in
my ears?
6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
lap?

If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't
it be
nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
spot in
the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would you
happily
share your info with the group after fighting to get back on?

In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
maneuver.

In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.

I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with
one ear
piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.

Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
questions
of the officials.

If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
their
team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
whatever.
"Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies, only on
the
OBRA freq of 3-15.

As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
communicate issues/changes to the riders.

There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA
rule
book that I could find.

Should it be allowed?

If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to
stipulate that
only one ear piece may be used.

Ok, let's hear it...

Fish

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Mike Murray

Robin Calver wrote:
"Radios are extremely expensive, but ..."

Not really. Currently OBRA race radio is GMRS radios. You can get
transceivers for about $25 each. Of course, the low cost is part of the
problem.

Mike Murray

norrene

I can only speak from experience that using race radios at cascade helped our guys in the Pro field. We where not able to provide support in both the caravan and in the field zone so we made a team decision to support our riders in the feed zone and hook their radios up to the 3.15 channel so they could hear of any up an coming road situations, hot spots, or time splits on breaks.

Went we where at Tri ? peaks, we had the guys hooked up so the van could talk to them and let them know what was going on. All the other teams would inform rider of time gaps, which guys where in the break and if the break need to be brought back, along with any road dangers. At one point our radios stopped working and we missed a very important break, had the radios still been working we could have had our top GC guy in that break. Because of that one goof up we went from top 10 GC to 30 ? 40th in one stage, game over . . . so we have experienced all three worlds.

? Being out of the loop and riding silent
? Being able to hear but not talk
? Being able to communicate back and forth

The use of radios for us leveled the playing field some at big events. With so many things to watch for, some times a rider can miss things that could be the difference between wining an event and losing 10 or so minutes.

So in my opinion, using radios to hear in big events is a good way to level the playing field and give the independent rider(s) a chance to know what?s going on too. A perfect example of this is again cascade, where Aaron Olsen knew our guys where plugged into 3.15 and he would often times ride up to one of our guys and ask what was going on so he too could be on the same ?knowledge? playing field as Healthnet, Toyota United and Navigators.

That?s my nickel?s worth about race radios.

Cheers
Norrene

Mike Murray

There has been much debate, particularly regarding professional bike racing,
about the effect of use of radios by riders. There are advantages but there
are also significant disadvantages. There is no question that the use of
radios has changed the game.

OBRA currently has no specific rule regarding radios, of for that matter MP3
players, etc. I plan to propose rules on this subject for 2007. Currently
officials have been prohibiting use of music players using the "dangerous
riding" rule which is, to my mind, correct.

USCF allows riders to use only non-hand held one earpiece radios in road
races with fields that include Pros and Cat 1 & 2 riders but not in Junior
races. I have been told by the principles at ABR that they do not allow
radios in any races but their rules do not specifically state anything
regarding this. I believe that ACA follows the USCF convention but, once
again, their rules do not state this. UCI prohibits use of rider radios in
Junior races. I do not know what policies other racing organizations are
following.

I am told that in European races that the officials are provided with radios
which send and receive while support vehicles are given receive only radios.
This is supported by the USCF rules which require such support for Cat A
races and by statements to this effect in the UCI rules.

It is clear that direct communication on "race radio" by riders is not
allowed by any other cycling organization.

Personally, I think that opening up the "race radio" to all the riders in a
field would be an invitation to disaster. Having the potential for all the
riders, or even a substantial number of the riders, to contribute noise to
the system would make for too much confusion to an already imperfect system.
Worse, the chance of a stuck transmit button effectively blocking all
transmission goes up with the number of radios in the system. Having riders
fiddling with buttons to switch frequencies between team communication and
"race radio" is likely to lead to crashes. Team radios alone have been
suggested as a contributing cause for serious crashes in pro races.

Right now, there is nothing to prohibit riders from using radios on the
"race radio". As long as this is only listening there will likely be few
problems. To my mind there would also be little benefit for anyone too. If
there is talking, at least too much, then this will need to be prohibited.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 16:16 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
racing:
1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
2.) Where is the break?
3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
4.) Where's the wheel car?
5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30 mph in
my ears?
6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next lap?

If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it be
nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your spot in
the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would you happily
share your info with the group after fighting to get back on?

In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this maneuver.

In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.

I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one ear
piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.

Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask questions
of the officials.

If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to their
team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or whatever.
"Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies, only on the
OBRA freq of 3-15.

As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
communicate issues/changes to the riders.

There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
book that I could find.

Should it be allowed?

If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate that
only one ear piece may be used.

Ok, let's hear it...

Fish

Mike Murray

There has been much debate, particularly regarding professional bike racing,
about the effect of use of radios by riders. There are advantages but there
are also significant disadvantages. There is no question that the use of
radios has changed the game.

OBRA currently has no specific rule regarding radios, of for that matter MP3
players, etc. I plan to propose rules on this subject for 2007. Currently
officials have been prohibiting use of music players using the "dangerous
riding" rule which is, to my mind, correct.

USCF allows riders to use only non-hand held one earpiece radios in road
races with fields that include Pros and Cat 1 & 2 riders but not in Junior
races. I have been told by the principles at ABR that they do not allow
radios in any races but their rules do not specifically state anything
regarding this. I believe that ACA follows the USCF convention but, once
again, their rules do not state this. UCI prohibits use of rider radios in
Junior races. I do not know what policies other racing organizations are
following.

I am told that in European races that the officials are provided with radios
which send and receive while support vehicles are given receive only radios.
This is supported by the USCF rules which require such support for Cat A
races and by statements to this effect in the UCI rules.

It is clear that direct communication on "race radio" by riders is not
allowed by any other cycling organization.

Personally, I think that opening up the "race radio" to all the riders in a
field would be an invitation to disaster. Having the potential for all the
riders, or even a substantial number of the riders, to contribute noise to
the system would make for too much confusion to an already imperfect system.
Worse, the chance of a stuck transmit button effectively blocking all
transmission goes up with the number of radios in the system. Having riders
fiddling with buttons to switch frequencies between team communication and
"race radio" is likely to lead to crashes. Team radios alone have been
suggested as a contributing cause for serious crashes in pro races.

Right now, there is nothing to prohibit riders from using radios on the
"race radio". As long as this is only listening there will likely be few
problems. To my mind there would also be little benefit for anyone too. If
there is talking, at least too much, then this will need to be prohibited.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 16:16 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
racing:
1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
2.) Where is the break?
3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
4.) Where's the wheel car?
5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30 mph in
my ears?
6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next lap?

If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it be
nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your spot in
the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would you happily
share your info with the group after fighting to get back on?

In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this maneuver.

In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.

I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one ear
piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.

Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask questions
of the officials.

If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to their
team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or whatever.
"Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies, only on the
OBRA freq of 3-15.

As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
communicate issues/changes to the riders.

There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
book that I could find.

Should it be allowed?

If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate that
only one ear piece may be used.

Ok, let's hear it...

Fish

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Duncan Calver

Not insane. Actually schooled in Psychology. It was just a suggestion, not
much more peculiar than the original proposition. And what is a 30 round
clip on auto? Guns'n Ammo or Cyclesport?

Don't sweat the small stuff.

>From: "Dan H"
>To: "Duncan Calver" ,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:10:47 -0700
>
>"OBRA could buy (or bill us by increasing membership fees) several sets
>of 'neutral' radios to be handed out to riders selected by lottery at each
>race."
>Duncan, Are you insane? That is a 30 round clip of problems on full auto!
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Calver"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 5:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>
>
>>No solutions from me, just suggestions:
>>
>>These radios are bound to be a point of contention between affiliated
>>riders
>>and non-affiliated riders. To even the playing field, and to solve the
>>initial dilemma of having bettered communication from the race officials,
>>maybe OBRA could buy (or bill us by increasing membership fees) several
>>sets
>>of 'neutral' radios to be handed out to riders selected by lottery at each
>>race. These riders would be expected to relay info to the other riders in
>>the peloton. As you can imagine, though, that could get very sticky.
>>
>>If these radios were team-specific, many teams would be unable to purchase
>>them, and it would make them tools for bettering TACTICS, not relaying
>>conditions on the course. In itself, that is fine, but because we are not
>>an organization that requires every rider to be on a team, I see it as
>>problematic. Are these radios for domestique work/Bruyneel orders or
>>keeping the field safe? Imitating the pros is a great way to appreciate
>>the
>>sport at its limits, but many amateur riders may not be skilled enough to
>>handle such a responsibility like a pro can.
>>
>>But I wouldn't mind wearing a radio, personally. Even if it did add ~700
>>grams extra weight.
>>
>>Especially if it was pink/black.
>>
>>Duncan
>>
>>
>>>From: "Tim Maloney"
>>>Reply-To: Tim Maloney
>>>To:
>>>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>>>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:34:56 -0700
>>>
>>>when this came up before, one of the issues was differentiating between
>>>a team radio for communications and a racer with an ipod. Several people
>>>suggested racers with ipods are dangerous.
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
>>>To:
>>>Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:15 PM
>>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>>>
>>>
>>> > As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
>>> > racing:
>>> > 1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
>>> > 2.) Where is the break?
>>> > 3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
>>> > 4.) Where's the wheel car?
>>> > 5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
>>> > mph in my ears?
>>> > 6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
>>> > lap?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't
>>>it
>>> > be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
>>> > spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask,
>>>would
>>> > you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
>>> > on?
>>> >
>>> > In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
>>> > maneuver.
>>> >
>>> > In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
>>> >
>>> > I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with
>>>one
>>> > ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
>>> >
>>> > Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
>>> > questions of the officials.
>>> >
>>> > If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
>>> > their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
>>> > whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other
>>>frequencies,
>>> > only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
>>> >
>>> > As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
>>> > happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
>>> > communicate issues/changes to the riders.
>>> >
>>> > There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA >
>>>rule
>>> > book that I could find.
>>> >
>>> > Should it be allowed?
>>> >
>>> > If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to
>>>stipulate
>>> > that only one ear piece may be used.
>>> >
>>> > Ok, let's hear it...
>>> >
>>> > Fish
>>> >
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>>
>>
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>

Dan H

"OBRA could buy (or bill us by increasing membership fees) several sets
of 'neutral' radios to be handed out to riders selected by lottery at each
race."
Duncan, Are you insane? That is a 30 round clip of problems on full auto!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan Calver"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

> No solutions from me, just suggestions:
>
> These radios are bound to be a point of contention between affiliated
> riders
> and non-affiliated riders. To even the playing field, and to solve the
> initial dilemma of having bettered communication from the race officials,
> maybe OBRA could buy (or bill us by increasing membership fees) several
> sets
> of 'neutral' radios to be handed out to riders selected by lottery at each
> race. These riders would be expected to relay info to the other riders in
> the peloton. As you can imagine, though, that could get very sticky.
>
> If these radios were team-specific, many teams would be unable to purchase
> them, and it would make them tools for bettering TACTICS, not relaying
> conditions on the course. In itself, that is fine, but because we are not
> an organization that requires every rider to be on a team, I see it as
> problematic. Are these radios for domestique work/Bruyneel orders or
> keeping the field safe? Imitating the pros is a great way to appreciate
> the
> sport at its limits, but many amateur riders may not be skilled enough to
> handle such a responsibility like a pro can.
>
> But I wouldn't mind wearing a radio, personally. Even if it did add ~700
> grams extra weight.
>
> Especially if it was pink/black.
>
> Duncan
>
>
>>From: "Tim Maloney"
>>Reply-To: Tim Maloney
>>To:
>>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:34:56 -0700
>>
>>when this came up before, one of the issues was differentiating between
>>a team radio for communications and a racer with an ipod. Several people
>>suggested racers with ipods are dangerous.
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
>>To:
>>Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:15 PM
>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>>
>>
>> > As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
>> > racing:
>> > 1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
>> > 2.) Where is the break?
>> > 3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
>> > 4.) Where's the wheel car?
>> > 5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
>> > mph in my ears?
>> > 6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
>> > lap?
>> >
>> >
>> > If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
>> > be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
>> > spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
>> > you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
>> > on?
>> >
>> > In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
>> > maneuver.
>> >
>> > In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
>> >
>> > I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
>> > ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
>> >
>> > Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
>> > questions of the officials.
>> >
>> > If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
>> > their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
>> > whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
>> > only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
>> >
>> > As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
>> > happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
>> > communicate issues/changes to the riders.
>> >
>> > There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA
>> > rule
>> > book that I could find.
>> >
>> > Should it be allowed?
>> >
>> > If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
>> > that only one ear piece may be used.
>> >
>> > Ok, let's hear it...
>> >
>> > Fish
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > obra@list.obra.org
>> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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>
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Dan H

I'm sure you could just get a radio and listen to OBRA race radio but I'm
afraid you would get little useful information and lots of noise and
chatter. In addition every few seconds or minutes you would hear a loud:
"BLILILILILILILILIL" I have no idea what that means but it happens a lot on
OBRA radio.
Just go pro and you can have your own race director not only tell you where
the break is but also use you like a video game character.
Who cares were the wheel car is? If you get a fast wheel change from neutral
support you are very fortunate.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:15 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

> As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
> racing:
> 1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
> 2.) Where is the break?
> 3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
> 4.) Where's the wheel car?
> 5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
> mph in my ears?
> 6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
> lap?
>
>
> If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
> be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
> spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
> you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
> on?
>
> In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
> maneuver.
>
> In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
>
> I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
> ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
>
> Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
> questions of the officials.
>
> If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
> their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
> whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
> only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
>
> As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
> happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
> communicate issues/changes to the riders.
>
> There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
> book that I could find.
>
> Should it be allowed?
>
> If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
> that only one ear piece may be used.
>
> Ok, let's hear it...
>
> Fish
>
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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>
>
>

Leibowitz, Flo

How about just a sign at the 200m mark (or whatever seems to make sense) saying "200m 1 [or 2] lanes"? Surely everyone would know it pertained to the end of the race only. If there can be signs for the distances, why not one with this important info, too ? If the pack needs to check, well, the sign is there.

David Hart

I am an offical and a racer. How could I expect riders to be able to handle
having a radio when us riders can barely ride a straight line? It would be
a liability for OBRA to support it. If you didn't hear what the follow car
said to you, waive it up. Ask other riders if you think you missed out on
info that might be important. Just one more factor to put in crashes. I
could see only the 1/2 field doing it. I would consider it an earned
right. Otherwise, keep your eyes and ears open for the important info. Oh,
here are my answers...

1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?

-you should ask this BEFORE the race if the official forgets...

2.) Where is the break?

-were you at the front to watch? Why did you let it go?

3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)

-if you got dropped, oops, that's racing
4.) Where's the wheel car?

-put your hand up, it will show up, I promise : )

5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
mph in my ears?
-waive up the the follow car

6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
lap?
-maybe, it's happened before!

On 8/28/06, Duncan Calver wrote:
>
> No solutions from me, just suggestions:
>
> These radios are bound to be a point of contention between affiliated
> riders
> and non-affiliated riders. To even the playing field, and to solve the
> initial dilemma of having bettered communication from the race officials,
> maybe OBRA could buy (or bill us by increasing membership fees) several
> sets
> of 'neutral' radios to be handed out to riders selected by lottery at each
> race. These riders would be expected to relay info to the other riders in
> the peloton. As you can imagine, though, that could get very sticky.
>
> If these radios were team-specific, many teams would be unable to purchase
> them, and it would make them tools for bettering TACTICS, not relaying
> conditions on the course. In itself, that is fine, but because we are not
> an organization that requires every rider to be on a team, I see it as
> problematic. Are these radios for domestique work/Bruyneel orders or
> keeping the field safe? Imitating the pros is a great way to appreciate
> the
> sport at its limits, but many amateur riders may not be skilled enough to
> handle such a responsibility like a pro can.
>
> But I wouldn't mind wearing a radio, personally. Even if it did add ~700
> grams extra weight.
>
> Especially if it was pink/black.
>
> Duncan
>
>
> >From: "Tim Maloney"
> >Reply-To: Tim Maloney
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
> >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:34:56 -0700
> >
> >when this came up before, one of the issues was differentiating between
> >a team radio for communications and a racer with an ipod. Several people
> >suggested racers with ipods are dangerous.
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:15 PM
> >Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
> >
> >
> > > As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
> > > racing:
> > > 1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
> > > 2.) Where is the break?
> > > 3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
> > > 4.) Where's the wheel car?
> > > 5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
> > > mph in my ears?
> > > 6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
> > > lap?
> > >
> > >
> > > If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't
> it
> > > be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
> > > spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask,
> would
> > > you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
> > > on?
> > >
> > > In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
> > > maneuver.
> > >
> > > In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
> > >
> > > I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with
> one
> > > ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
> > >
> > > Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
> > > questions of the officials.
> > >
> > > If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
> > > their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
> > > whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other
> frequencies,
> > > only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
> > >
> > > As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
> > > happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
> > > communicate issues/changes to the riders.
> > >
> > > There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA
> rule
> > > book that I could find.
> > >
> > > Should it be allowed?
> > >
> > > If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to
> stipulate
> > > that only one ear piece may be used.
> > >
> > > Ok, let's hear it...
> > >
> > > Fish
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > OBRA mailing list
> > > obra@list.obra.org
> > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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>
>
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Duncan Calver

No solutions from me, just suggestions:

These radios are bound to be a point of contention between affiliated riders
and non-affiliated riders. To even the playing field, and to solve the
initial dilemma of having bettered communication from the race officials,
maybe OBRA could buy (or bill us by increasing membership fees) several sets
of 'neutral' radios to be handed out to riders selected by lottery at each
race. These riders would be expected to relay info to the other riders in
the peloton. As you can imagine, though, that could get very sticky.

If these radios were team-specific, many teams would be unable to purchase
them, and it would make them tools for bettering TACTICS, not relaying
conditions on the course. In itself, that is fine, but because we are not
an organization that requires every rider to be on a team, I see it as
problematic. Are these radios for domestique work/Bruyneel orders or
keeping the field safe? Imitating the pros is a great way to appreciate the
sport at its limits, but many amateur riders may not be skilled enough to
handle such a responsibility like a pro can.

But I wouldn't mind wearing a radio, personally. Even if it did add ~700
grams extra weight.

Especially if it was pink/black.

Duncan

>From: "Tim Maloney"
>Reply-To: Tim Maloney
>To:
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:34:56 -0700
>
>when this came up before, one of the issues was differentiating between
>a team radio for communications and a racer with an ipod. Several people
>suggested racers with ipods are dangerous.
>
>Tim
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:15 PM
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>
>
> > As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
> > racing:
> > 1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
> > 2.) Where is the break?
> > 3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
> > 4.) Where's the wheel car?
> > 5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
> > mph in my ears?
> > 6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
> > lap?
> >
> >
> > If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
> > be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
> > spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
> > you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
> > on?
> >
> > In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
> > maneuver.
> >
> > In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
> >
> > I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
> > ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
> >
> > Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
> > questions of the officials.
> >
> > If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
> > their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
> > whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
> > only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
> >
> > As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
> > happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
> > communicate issues/changes to the riders.
> >
> > There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
> > book that I could find.
> >
> > Should it be allowed?
> >
> > If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
> > that only one ear piece may be used.
> >
> > Ok, let's hear it...
> >
> > Fish
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Tim Maloney

when this came up before, one of the issues was differentiating between
a team radio for communications and a racer with an ipod. Several people
suggested racers with ipods are dangerous.

Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:15 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

> As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
> racing:
> 1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
> 2.) Where is the break?
> 3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
> 4.) Where's the wheel car?
> 5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
> mph in my ears?
> 6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
> lap?
>
>
> If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
> be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
> spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
> you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
> on?
>
> In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
> maneuver.
>
> In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
>
> I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
> ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
>
> Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
> questions of the officials.
>
> If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
> their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
> whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
> only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
>
> As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
> happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
> communicate issues/changes to the riders.
>
> There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
> book that I could find.
>
> Should it be allowed?
>
> If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
> that only one ear piece may be used.
>
> Ok, let's hear it...
>
> Fish
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Rick Johnson

Jim,
Though I agree some official communication with the group could be
valuable in some situations (the Omnium womens race comes to mind) in
practice the average rider might not be ready for the responsibility.
Even with the most professional radio discipline there will be times
when radio communication will come at a bad time. A simple startled
reaction or a moments interrupted concentration could snowball into a
major problem.

And then there's the issue of increasing the cost of equipment another
notch. That should be considered as well.

Rick

Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis) wrote:

>As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
>racing:
>1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
>2.) Where is the break?
>3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
>4.) Where's the wheel car?
>5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
>mph in my ears?
>6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
>lap?
>
>
>If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
>be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
>spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
>you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
>on?
>
>In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
>maneuver.
>
>In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
>
>I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
>ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
>
>Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
>questions of the officials.
>
>If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
>their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
>whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
>only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
>
>As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
>happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
>communicate issues/changes to the riders.
>
>There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
>book that I could find.
>
>Should it be allowed?
>
>If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
>that only one ear piece may be used.
>
>Ok, let's hear it...
>
>Fish
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Robin Calver

Radios are extremely expensive, but if you can put together the financing
for all the teams and the non-affiliated riders that don't have a pro-tour
team budget then I'll support it. Also, make sure the Veloshop radios are
available in pink and black, otherwise it will clash and offend our strict
sartorial sense.
Thank-you.
Robin

>From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
>To:
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:15:48 -0500
>
>As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
>racing:
>1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
>2.) Where is the break?
>3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
>4.) Where's the wheel car?
>5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
>mph in my ears?
>6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
>lap?
>
>
>If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
>be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
>spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
>you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
>on?
>
>In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
>maneuver.
>
>In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
>
>I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
>ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
>
>Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
>questions of the officials.
>
>If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
>their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
>whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
>only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
>
>As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
>happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
>communicate issues/changes to the riders.
>
>There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
>book that I could find.
>
>Should it be allowed?
>
>If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
>that only one ear piece may be used.
>
>Ok, let's hear it...
>
>Fish
>
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Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)

As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
racing:
1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
2.) Where is the break?
3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
4.) Where's the wheel car?
5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
mph in my ears?
6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
lap?

If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
on?

In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
maneuver.

In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.

I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.

Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
questions of the officials.

If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.

As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
communicate issues/changes to the riders.

There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
book that I could find.

Should it be allowed?

If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
that only one ear piece may be used.

Ok, let's hear it...

Fish