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Scott McMillan

2006-08-29

Thanks.

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Today's Topics:

1. Off Topic : For Sale....Motorcycle Rain 2 piece suit (Jeff Tedder)
2. WTB cyclocross fork (matthew.brownfield@comcast.net)
3. Radios for the peleton (Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis))
4. FS: 58cm Ridley Crosswind frameset, fork, stem, seatpost,
headset (Aric)
5. Re: Radios for the peleton (Robin Calver)
6. Re: Radios for the peleton (Rick Johnson)
7. Re: HD women's crash (pic) (Brad Cockman, DC)
8. race radios (Galen Mittermann)
9. Re: Skull Hollow roubaix (jake)
10. Re: race radios (Guinnesscycling@aol.com)
11. Re: Radios for the peleton (Tim Maloney)
12. Track class 8/30/06 (c.d.s.)
13. Re: Radios for the peleton (Duncan Calver)
14. Housing for Eugene Celebration (kennettp@comcast.net)
15. Miranda Duff (Geri Bossen)
16. Re: Radios for the peleton (David Hart)
17. Re: Radios for the peleton (Leibowitz, Flo)
18. High Desert/Skull Hollow (Matt Plummer)
19. Re: Mt. Ashland Hill Climb (GEORGE SCHRECK)
20. Re: Mt. Ashland Hill Climb (david baker)
21. Portland Winter Cycling Boot Camp (Mike Manning)
22. Old Alpenrose pictures (Darell Provencher)
23. Results-Monday PIR (Candi Murray)
24. Re: WTB cyclocross fork (Dan H)
25. Re: Radios for the peleton (Dan H)
26. Re: Radios for the peleton (Dan H)
27. What if Floyd Landis were innocent? (Matthew Miner)
28. Eug Cel Crit (comotionclassic@comcast.net)
29. Re: Old Alpenrose pictures (Robert Burney)
30. StumpJumper (Dan Houghton)
31. Need a 49cm road bike? (Evan MacKenzie)
32. Re: Need a 49cm road bike? (Conor Buescher)
33. Re: race radios (Jonathan C. Puskas)
34. Specialized fixed still for sale (Chris Alling)
35. WTB: Shimano 9 speed Rear Shifter (sasha.j.lacey@accenture.com)
36. Central OR MTB'ing (Rob Burkhart)
37. Race Radios (George de Randich)
38. Re: Race Radios (Thomas Hoffman)
39. (no subject) (emilyowestbrook@comcast.net)
40. Re: Radios for the peleton (Duncan Calver)
41. Re: Race Radios (KO Kevin)
42. Redline Cross 48 cm F.S. (Michael Barmache)
43. FS: New Shimano stuff (sasha.j.lacey@accenture.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:34:15 -0700
From: "Jeff Tedder"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Off Topic : For Sale....Motorcycle Rain 2 piece
suit
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Hello everyone,
For the motorcycle crowd, my dad has a Fieldsheer rainsuit that he no longer
is using. Its basically brand new, he only used it a few times. It is a
large in size and
the pants are black and the jacket is black, with some red & gray. All the
seams are
rain proof and sealed and the jacket has a zipper and velcro closure on it.
Let me know if anybody is interested......offline. Price? make an offer.
Thanks,

Jeff Tedder
Hammer Nutrition Products
503-246-2388
cell 503-473-7650
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:12:44 +0000
From: matthew.brownfield@comcast.net
Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB cyclocross fork
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I need a cross fork, 1 1/8 steerer, threadless. Anyone have one lying
around?

Matt B.
503-806-7597
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:15:48 -0500
From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
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As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
racing:
1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
2.) Where is the break?
3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
4.) Where's the wheel car?
5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
mph in my ears?
6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
lap?

If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
on?

In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
maneuver.

In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.

I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.

Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
questions of the officials.

If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.

As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
communicate issues/changes to the riders.

There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
book that I could find.

Should it be allowed?

If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
that only one ear piece may be used.

Ok, let's hear it...

Fish

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:33:12 -0700
From: Aric
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: 58cm Ridley Crosswind frameset, fork, stem,
seatpost, headset
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <44f37d3876a62_3bcb156ff13b2f481af@lizard.tmail>
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58cm Ridley Crosswind frameset, carbon fiber fork, stem, Thomson Elite
seatpost, integrated headset.

Great condition! Ridden less than 5 times.

Beautiful paint, very slight cosmetic ding on top tube.

Have several photos, if interested.

For geometry/info, see: http://www.ridley-bikes.com/lang/en/crosswind.asp

$650
-aric

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:41:39 -0700
From: "Robin Calver"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
To: jim.fischer@hp.com, obra@list.obra.org
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Radios are extremely expensive, but if you can put together the financing
for all the teams and the non-affiliated riders that don't have a pro-tour
team budget then I'll support it. Also, make sure the Veloshop radios are
available in pink and black, otherwise it will clash and offend our strict
sartorial sense.
Thank-you.
Robin

>From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
>To:
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:15:48 -0500
>
>As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
>racing:
>1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
>2.) Where is the break?
>3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
>4.) Where's the wheel car?
>5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
>mph in my ears?
>6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
>lap?
>
>
>If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
>be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
>spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
>you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
>on?
>
>In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
>maneuver.
>
>In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
>
>I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
>ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
>
>Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
>questions of the officials.
>
>If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
>their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
>whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
>only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
>
>As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
>happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
>communicate issues/changes to the riders.
>
>There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
>book that I could find.
>
>Should it be allowed?
>
>If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
>that only one ear piece may be used.
>
>Ok, let's hear it...
>
>Fish
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:44:05 -0700
From: Rick Johnson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
To: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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Jim,
Though I agree some official communication with the group could be
valuable in some situations (the Omnium womens race comes to mind) in
practice the average rider might not be ready for the responsibility.
Even with the most professional radio discipline there will be times
when radio communication will come at a bad time. A simple startled
reaction or a moments interrupted concentration could snowball into a
major problem.

And then there's the issue of increasing the cost of equipment another
notch. That should be considered as well.

Rick

Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis) wrote:

>As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
>racing:
>1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
>2.) Where is the break?
>3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
>4.) Where's the wheel car?
>5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
>mph in my ears?
>6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
>lap?
>
>
>If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
>be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
>spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
>you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
>on?
>
>In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
>maneuver.
>
>In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
>
>I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
>ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
>
>Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
>questions of the officials.
>
>If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
>their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
>whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
>only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
>
>As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
>happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
>communicate issues/changes to the riders.
>
>There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
>book that I could find.
>
>Should it be allowed?
>
>If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
>that only one ear piece may be used.
>
>Ok, let's hear it...
>
>Fish
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:48:25 -0700
From: "Brad Cockman, DC"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] HD women's crash (pic)
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Ugly.

http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Profile=1013&ExpNodes=1013
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:09:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Galen Mittermann
Subject: [OBRA Chat] race radios
To: obra@list.obra.org
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i see no problem allowing radios. if teams have them, and dont plug both
ears,
whats the harm? as long as riders understand it doesnt guarantee
communication
but may only ease it if conditions are right, then why not? it could be
useful
between teammates, and i doubt it's going to cause an arms race. besides, we
spend $100 on a pair of race tires, a couple little two way radios is
practically a bargain for bike racers.

galen

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "jake"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Skull Hollow roubaix
To: TSchauer@mackaysposito.com, cmurray@obra.org,
cjw@cheryljwillson.com, obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <20060829002955.67512676A0@mprdmxin.myway.com>
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any chance of more info as to why skull hollow wo'nt be happening ? I
waited all year for this race, is it something we did ?, is it something we
said? whatever it is were sorry. thanks, Jake Rosenfeld.--- On Mon 08/28,
Tim Schauer < TSchauer@mackaysposito.com > wrote:
From: Tim Schauer [mailto: TSchauer@mackaysposito.com]To: cmurray@obra.org,
cjw@cheryljwillson.com, obra@list.obra.orgDate: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:26:14
-0700Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Skull Hollow roubaixToo bad. That race was
"wicked!" ... The guys who ran it are sick in thehead ... But in a good way.
And I would drive to Ashland or Medford ifthey had it there too!! Even if
George Schreck didn't pay for it!!(OBRA, please don't "Schreck Me").I think
OBRA needs a race like that.Maybe even a Roubaix Series of some sort
throughout the year. Some of usup here in SW Washington were toying around
with a coarse like that overhere. Well, maybe not that rocky, hot, steep,
painful, or flat filled,but at least a road race style event with extended
miles of gravelroads. Maybe next year.-Tim Schauer-----Original
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:30:00 EDT
From: Guinnesscycling@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] race radios
To: obra@list.obra.org
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racing with race radios is not all it is cracked up to be. we used very
high quality radios in Europe last spring and they are almost more hassle
than
they are worth. they obscure your hearing, are hard to talk through and
half
the time you hear static. Even the top level pro's have issue's with
their's. todd and I spent many days trying different mic's and way's to cut
out the
road noise and it was almost impossible. When you are actually "racing"
and
not rolling along talking, they are almost useless as it is really
dangerous
to take your hands off the bars and fumble around your collar trying to
press the little mic button and talk.

keep it simple....
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:34:56 -0700
From: "Tim Maloney"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
To:
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when this came up before, one of the issues was differentiating between
a team radio for communications and a racer with an ipod. Several people
suggested racers with ipods are dangerous.

Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:15 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

> As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
> racing:
> 1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
> 2.) Where is the break?
> 3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
> 4.) Where's the wheel car?
> 5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
> mph in my ears?
> 6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
> lap?
>
>
> If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
> be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
> spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
> you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
> on?
>
> In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
> maneuver.
>
> In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
>
> I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
> ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
>
> Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
> questions of the officials.
>
> If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
> their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
> whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
> only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
>
> As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
> happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
> communicate issues/changes to the riders.
>
> There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
> book that I could find.
>
> Should it be allowed?
>
> If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
> that only one ear piece may be used.
>
> Ok, let's hear it...
>
> Fish
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:41:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: "c.d.s."
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Track class 8/30/06
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Just a heads up that this is to be the final
installment of the Alpenrose Wednesday night track
class. Come on out and learn to ride the track. $5
for the class, $5 if you need to rent a bike. Bring
your own pedals, shoes, helmet, and willingness to
turn left.

Class starts at 6pm. Bike rentals/paper work starts
around 5:30. Runs until dark.

http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2006/wednesdays.html

Craig of 'Craig, Meg, and Greg'

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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:48:55 -0700
From: "Duncan Calver"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
To: obra@list.obra.org
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No solutions from me, just suggestions:

These radios are bound to be a point of contention between affiliated riders

and non-affiliated riders. To even the playing field, and to solve the
initial dilemma of having bettered communication from the race officials,
maybe OBRA could buy (or bill us by increasing membership fees) several sets

of 'neutral' radios to be handed out to riders selected by lottery at each
race. These riders would be expected to relay info to the other riders in
the peloton. As you can imagine, though, that could get very sticky.

If these radios were team-specific, many teams would be unable to purchase
them, and it would make them tools for bettering TACTICS, not relaying
conditions on the course. In itself, that is fine, but because we are not
an organization that requires every rider to be on a team, I see it as
problematic. Are these radios for domestique work/Bruyneel orders or
keeping the field safe? Imitating the pros is a great way to appreciate the

sport at its limits, but many amateur riders may not be skilled enough to
handle such a responsibility like a pro can.

But I wouldn't mind wearing a radio, personally. Even if it did add ~700
grams extra weight.

Especially if it was pink/black.

Duncan

>From: "Tim Maloney"
>Reply-To: Tim Maloney
>To:
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:34:56 -0700
>
>when this came up before, one of the issues was differentiating between
>a team radio for communications and a racer with an ipod. Several people
>suggested racers with ipods are dangerous.
>
>Tim
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:15 PM
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>
>
> > As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
> > racing:
> > 1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
> > 2.) Where is the break?
> > 3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
> > 4.) Where's the wheel car?
> > 5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
> > mph in my ears?
> > 6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
> > lap?
> >
> >
> > If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
> > be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
> > spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
> > you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
> > on?
> >
> > In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
> > maneuver.
> >
> > In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
> >
> > I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
> > ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
> >
> > Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
> > questions of the officials.
> >
> > If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
> > their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
> > whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
> > only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
> >
> > As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
> > happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
> > communicate issues/changes to the riders.
> >
> > There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
> > book that I could find.
> >
> > Should it be allowed?
> >
> > If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
> > that only one ear piece may be used.
> >
> > Ok, let's hear it...
> >
> > Fish
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 01:42:23 +0000
From: kennettp@comcast.net
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Housing for Eugene Celebration
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID:

<082920060142.20558.44F39B7F000470D40000504E22007348309F9B9B0A02020A05@comca
st.net>

Since I've been driven around to so many races this year by all of you I
thought I would give something back to the community and offer housing to
anyone who wants it during the Eugene celebration stage race. There is a
lot of floor space so bring a sleeping bag and pad. I live only a short
ride away from each of the stages. Give me a call if you plan on stopping
by.

Kennett Peterson
971-235-5488

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:56:46 -0700
From: "Geri Bossen"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Miranda Duff
To:
Message-ID:
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Your wheel had your name on them so I brought them home from High Desert. I

will be at the track tomorrow.

Geri Bossen

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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:06:08 -0700
From: "David Hart"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
To: "Duncan Calver"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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I am an offical and a racer. How could I expect riders to be able to handle
having a radio when us riders can barely ride a straight line? It would be
a liability for OBRA to support it. If you didn't hear what the follow car
said to you, waive it up. Ask other riders if you think you missed out on
info that might be important. Just one more factor to put in crashes. I
could see only the 1/2 field doing it. I would consider it an earned
right. Otherwise, keep your eyes and ears open for the important info. Oh,
here are my answers...

1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?

-you should ask this BEFORE the race if the official forgets...

2.) Where is the break?

-were you at the front to watch? Why did you let it go?

3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)

-if you got dropped, oops, that's racing
4.) Where's the wheel car?

-put your hand up, it will show up, I promise : )

5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
mph in my ears?
-waive up the the follow car

6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
lap?
-maybe, it's happened before!

On 8/28/06, Duncan Calver wrote:
>
> No solutions from me, just suggestions:
>
> These radios are bound to be a point of contention between affiliated
> riders
> and non-affiliated riders. To even the playing field, and to solve the
> initial dilemma of having bettered communication from the race officials,
> maybe OBRA could buy (or bill us by increasing membership fees) several
> sets
> of 'neutral' radios to be handed out to riders selected by lottery at each
> race. These riders would be expected to relay info to the other riders in
> the peloton. As you can imagine, though, that could get very sticky.
>
> If these radios were team-specific, many teams would be unable to purchase
> them, and it would make them tools for bettering TACTICS, not relaying
> conditions on the course. In itself, that is fine, but because we are not
> an organization that requires every rider to be on a team, I see it as
> problematic. Are these radios for domestique work/Bruyneel orders or
> keeping the field safe? Imitating the pros is a great way to appreciate
> the
> sport at its limits, but many amateur riders may not be skilled enough to
> handle such a responsibility like a pro can.
>
> But I wouldn't mind wearing a radio, personally. Even if it did add ~700
> grams extra weight.
>
> Especially if it was pink/black.
>
> Duncan
>
>
> >From: "Tim Maloney"
> >Reply-To: Tim Maloney
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
> >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:34:56 -0700
> >
> >when this came up before, one of the issues was differentiating between
> >a team radio for communications and a racer with an ipod. Several people
> >suggested racers with ipods are dangerous.
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:15 PM
> >Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
> >
> >
> > > As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
> > > racing:
> > > 1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
> > > 2.) Where is the break?
> > > 3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
> > > 4.) Where's the wheel car?
> > > 5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
> > > mph in my ears?
> > > 6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
> > > lap?
> > >
> > >
> > > If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't
> it
> > > be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
> > > spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask,
> would
> > > you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
> > > on?
> > >
> > > In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
> > > maneuver.
> > >
> > > In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
> > >
> > > I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with
> one
> > > ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
> > >
> > > Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
> > > questions of the officials.
> > >
> > > If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
> > > their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
> > > whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other
> frequencies,
> > > only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
> > >
> > > As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
> > > happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
> > > communicate issues/changes to the riders.
> > >
> > > There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA
> rule
> > > book that I could find.
> > >
> > > Should it be allowed?
> > >
> > > If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to
> stipulate
> > > that only one ear piece may be used.
> > >
> > > Ok, let's hear it...
> > >
> > > Fish
> > >
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:03:14 -0700
From: "Leibowitz, Flo"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
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How about just a sign at the 200m mark (or whatever seems to make sense)
saying "200m 1 [or 2] lanes"? Surely everyone would know it pertained to the
end of the race only. If there can be signs for the distances, why not one
with this important info, too ? If the pack needs to check, well, the sign
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:53:01 -0700
From: Matt Plummer
Subject: [OBRA Chat] High Desert/Skull Hollow
To: jakejr@myway.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <1156823581.44f3ba1dbf09b@webmail.oregonstate.edu>
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HIGH DESERT
I'm sure I can speak for both my brother(Tim) and I in saying thank you to
all
of this years omnium racers, volunteers, fans, officials, and most
especially
the medical folks. We can certainly look back at the weekend and say that it
was a success. It was only with the contributions from each person involved
that we were able to have this fun, exciting, and sometimes scary event. The
response that we were hearing was very positive and that is what will
motivate
us to host this race again next year.

This being our second year with the event, it is safe to say that
improvements
had been made since last year and we look forward to making next year even
better. One last thank you to our sponsors for helping reward our racers for
their efforts...Bend Bike N Sport, Therapeutic Associates, Deschutes
Brewery,
Strictly Organic Coffee, and the Taco Stand.

We are glad to hear that everyone is doing well that was involved in the
crashes
and we look forward to seeing all of you back in central Oregon for the 2007
High Desert Omnium.

SKULL HOLLOW
The issue with skull hollow is simply a matter of timing. It is not
something
that was said or done, it just isn't working out for this year.

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:56:08 +0000 (UTC)
From: GEORGE SCHRECK
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Mt. Ashland Hill Climb
To: ,
Cc: obra@list.obra.org, hogie0101@yahoo.com
Message-ID: <329595.1156823768281.JavaMail.?@fh128.dia.he.tucows.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8"

Actually, it was my English Bulldog, Horace. He managed to get access
to my computer without my knopwledge. He also puchased a number of dog
toys on line using my credit card. As a resutl, I am revoking his
television privileges. He will have to miss this year's edition of the
Westminister Dog Show.

----Original Message----
From: srh148@webtv.net
Date: 08/27/2006 10:55 PM
To:
Cc: ,
Subj: Re: [OBRA Chat] Mt. Ashland Hill Climb

I just received a telephone call from George Schreck, he has informed
me
that he has been out of town the last 3 days or so and his son "George
Jr" has been sending out e mails on OBRA Chat "claiming" to be George
Sr.

The reason he "called" me as oppose to e mail me is because his
computer
has "crashed" because of all the nasty grams he has received re: his
"alleged" comments re: the location of the Hill Climb.

George wanted me to tell you all how sorry he is about this
"misunderstanding"
and he totally appreciates Richard for taking on the OBRA Hill Climb
on
such short notice. Plus, George is very much looking forward to the
drive down to BEAUTIFUL Southern Oregon. He also wants to know if
anyone
wants to car pool? It would be a plus if you like to sing show tunes,
George loves to sing show tunes while driving.

So PLEASE disregard any further e mails from "George Schreck"
pertaining
to the location of the Hill Climb [because it's probably his son
"George
Jr"] no matter how convincing the e mail is...... :-)

STEVEN R HOLLAND
17203 SE 30th St.
VANCOUVER,WA 98683-2300
H-360-891-3924 C-503-780-7296
___0
\ \~
( )/ ( )
"Losing feels worse than winning feels good"

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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:03:18 -0700
From: "david baker"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Mt. Ashland Hill Climb
To: "GEORGE SCHRECK" , ,

Cc: obra@list.obra.org, hogie0101@yahoo.com
Message-ID: <000401c6cb20$10c202e0$0402a8c0@dirtsurf>
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Well either way, we all new it was not you, the George we know would know
better, I mean they held the world championship mt. bike race in New
Zealand. I do not think there were any locals in that race, most had to
travel to the opposite side of the earth. JHK broke a chain right away and
was done, what a waste of time!
----- Original Message -----
From: "GEORGE SCHRECK"
To: ;
Cc: ;
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Mt. Ashland Hill Climb

> Actually, it was my English Bulldog, Horace. He managed to get access
> to my computer without my knopwledge. He also puchased a number of dog
> toys on line using my credit card. As a resutl, I am revoking his
> television privileges. He will have to miss this year's edition of the
> Westminister Dog Show.
>
> ----Original Message----
> From: srh148@webtv.net
> Date: 08/27/2006 10:55 PM
> To:
> Cc: ,
> Subj: Re: [OBRA Chat] Mt. Ashland Hill Climb
>
> I just received a telephone call from George Schreck, he has informed
> me
> that he has been out of town the last 3 days or so and his son "George
> Jr" has been sending out e mails on OBRA Chat "claiming" to be George
> Sr.
>
> The reason he "called" me as oppose to e mail me is because his
> computer
> has "crashed" because of all the nasty grams he has received re: his
> "alleged" comments re: the location of the Hill Climb.
>
> George wanted me to tell you all how sorry he is about this
> "misunderstanding"
> and he totally appreciates Richard for taking on the OBRA Hill Climb
> on
> such short notice. Plus, George is very much looking forward to the
> drive down to BEAUTIFUL Southern Oregon. He also wants to know if
> anyone
> wants to car pool? It would be a plus if you like to sing show tunes,
> George loves to sing show tunes while driving.
>
> So PLEASE disregard any further e mails from "George Schreck"
> pertaining
> to the location of the Hill Climb [because it's probably his son
> "George
> Jr"] no matter how convincing the e mail is...... :-)
>
> STEVEN R HOLLAND
> 17203 SE 30th St.
> VANCOUVER,WA 98683-2300
> H-360-891-3924 C-503-780-7296
> ___0
> \ \~
> ( )/ ( )
> "Losing feels worse than winning feels good"
>
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:04:13 -0700
From: Mike Manning
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Portland Winter Cycling Boot Camp
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <44f3bcbd45a79_4d9115a5a0b5bf481d8@lizard.tmail>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

CycleOne Coaching presents the Portland Winter Cycling Boot Camp

Most training camps require you to travel far from home and pay exorbitant
fees to prepare you to be a better racer. We make it easy and affordable
while supplying you with the necessary tools to continue to improve after
camp is over. This is a full 2 month plan designed to identify your
weaknesses and develop your natural talents. You will have full access to
the gym as well as being provided with expert guidance, using modern
equipment and technological tools.

Dates - Oct 2 thru Dec 8 Monday, Wednesday, and Friday

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Garmin GPS Mapping coupled with CompuTrainer multi-rider technology will
allow indoor training and racing on local courses (without the nasty
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Nutrition strategies
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:35:55 -0700
From: "Darell Provencher"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Old Alpenrose pictures
To: "'OBRA'"
Message-ID: <20060829043556.AB7FE75C166@smtp.easystreet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Aahhh. The good ole days, when you had to bring your own broom to sweep the
horse s##t from the track before you could ride; not to mention the
ever-present holes and loose concrete patches. Some of the pictures show the
continuous leaking of treatment pond water from the south side of the track.
It was slimy and smelly and slick, and I was there the day that Phil Sanders
was riding and slipped and crashed in the slimy mess. I think that was the
last time he ever rode the track. The corners were also off-camber above the
blue line (before the corners were reconstructed in 1997). Watching the guys
from Seattle come down and get airborne in the turns was always great fun.

Nice picture of a very young (and fast) Jerry Powell in pic 027 (black
jersey). The guy in orange jersey was/is the owner of Basset Press? Name?

Thanks for sharing Mike.

-- Darell

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Murray
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'OBRA'
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Old Alpenrose pictures

For those who are bothered by the bumpy and crumbling surface at the
Alpenrose Velodrome I just got some pictures from the distant past showing
what it used to look like. They also show the level of participation too.
You can see more at
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M1D2317AD

Mike Murray

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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:47:20 -0700
From: "Candi Murray"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Results-Monday PIR
To:
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Mst 1/2/3
1009 1 Hill Jacob Bridgetown Velo Oregon City 15 6
21
2350 2 Slater Matthew Excel Sports Portland 12 7
19
148 3 Holland Steve Finnegan's Toys/Discover Chiropractic
Vancouver 10 2 12
123 4 Murray Mike Team Oregon/River City Bicycles Gresham 8
8
168 5 Alling Chris Fred Meyer/Lakeside Portland 7
7
195 6 Johnston Kent Fred Meyer/Lakeside Lake Oswego
6 6
531 7 Root David Finnegans Toys/ Discover Chiropractic
Vancouver 5 5
140 8 Mallison Dickie Fred Meyer/Lakeside Biycles
Portland 4 4
1219 9 LeBus Joshua Bridgetown Velo Portland 3
3
529 10 Rist Aric Half Fast Velo Portland 2
3
584 11 Anderson Stuart Columbia River Velo Vancouver

459 12 Berner Bret 0 Portland
1804 13 Griffiths Evan NA Portland

652 14 Whitlatch Shanan Fred Meyer/Lakeside Portland

1183 15 Edwards Greg Team Oregon/River City Bicycles Portland

515 16 Chudy Kevin Bicycleattorney.com Portland

514 17 Seed Keith 0 Portland
150 18 Bravard John Half Fast Velo Portland

700 19 Swanson Marcus Half Fast Velo Portland

Mst 4/5 30 Starters
1775 1 Bernhardt Eric Sherwood 15 3
18
1015 2 Pearson Jon Gateway/Speedzone Portland 12
12
1267 3 Swanson Steve Team Oregon/River City Bicycles Portland
8 3 11
1970 4 Spiess Ken bicycleattorney.com Portland 10
10
1924 5 Miller Chris Hillsboro 7 7
1464 6 Bejerano Eduardo Portland State Univ Portland
5 2 7
1918 7 Standish Jeff Gateway/Speedzone Gresham 6
6
1989 8 Perilloux Tom Team Bridge City Tigard
6 6
2172 9 Ebert Clint bicycleattorney.com Forest Grove 3
2 5
1021 10 Greenwalt Paul Finnegans Toys/ Discover
Chiropractic Beaverton 4 4
1057 11 Warwick Dave Gateway/Speedzone Clackamas 2
2
2034 12 Griffith John Therapeutic Assoc Lake Oswego
1 1
1614 13 Finch Ken Bicycleattorney.com Portland
1 1
2093 14 Emerson Mike Beaverton
1941 15 Dabbeni Paolo Portland
1288 16 Rich Tim Columbia River Velo Gresham

2320 17 Lee Mitch Vancouver
1630 18 Thiele James Team Rose City Hillsboro

Sr Women
274 1 Hallquist Charissa Beaverton Bicycle
Racing/Bike N Hike Portland 15 5 20
490 2 Cobb Anissa bridgetown Portland 10 5
15
415 3 Grosswiler Kate Portland 12 1
12
245 4 Stolt-Krichko Debra Gresham 8 2 10

Mst Novice
1295 1 Harter Mike 0 Ridgefield 15 15
2265 2 Lehman Michael MAC Portland 12 12
1965 3 Balderas Jacob Pedros Portland 10
10
1854 4 Rasmussen Mark McMinnville 8
8
31 5 Malone Michael 7 7
1984 6 James Matt Portland 6 6
1422 7 Kohn Lawrence Celo Pacific Beaverton 5
5
2329 8 Kemner Mark West Linn 4 4
35 9 Mask Chris 3 3
75 10 Raymond Matt 2 2
1789 11 Zwart Greg Portland
1780 12 Vowell Jefferson AWS Portland

1443 13 Scolastico Jim Portland

1857 14 Gratke Dave Portland
34 15 Roman Justin
1463 16 Kane Paul Portland
1486 17 Henke Jay Portland
1305 18 Radich Matt Portland
33 19 #N/A #N/A
2130 20 Christensen Larry Portland

2504 21 Rodriguez Jose forza jet velo Portland

Women Novice
1769 1 Meiris Jess Colorado Springs 15
15
37 2 Russell Cara Portland 12 12
1774 3 Kleppinger Uma Sorella Forte Portland 10
10
692 4 LeBus Amy Bridgetown Velo Portland 8
8
411 5 Filiberti Mary Jean Sorella Forte Portland
7 7
1855 6 Teller Brown Savannah Portland 6
6
2499 7 McRae Karen NRR/Bad Boyz Racing Vancouver 5
5
687 8 Chirgwin Michele Clackamas 4
4
494 9 Cobb Angel b.i.k.e./Hincapie Portland 3
3
1483 10 Pfeifer Robyn bicycleattorney.com Portland 2
2
1451 11 O'Connor JoAnne Sorella Forte Vancouver

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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:53:34 -0700
From: "Dan H"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB cyclocross fork
To: ,
Message-ID: <024e01c6cb27$195239a0$6801a8c0@BRM>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Used Kinesis Crosslight: $45.
New Redline carbon: $100.
Both uncut.
Don't forget I still have the 61 Conquest. Entertaining offers.
----- Original Message -----
From: matthew.brownfield@comcast.net
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:12 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB cyclocross fork

I need a cross fork, 1 1/8 steerer, threadless. Anyone have one lying
around?

Matt B.
503-806-7597

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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:03:53 -0700
From: "Dan H"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
To: "Fischer, Jim E $Corvallis$" ,

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I'm sure you could just get a radio and listen to OBRA race radio but I'm
afraid you would get little useful information and lots of noise and
chatter. In addition every few seconds or minutes you would hear a loud:
"BLILILILILILILILIL" I have no idea what that means but it happens a lot on
OBRA radio.
Just go pro and you can have your own race director not only tell you where
the break is but also use you like a video game character.
Who cares were the wheel car is? If you get a fast wheel change from neutral

support you are very fortunate.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:15 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

> As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
> racing:
> 1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
> 2.) Where is the break?
> 3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
> 4.) Where's the wheel car?
> 5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
> mph in my ears?
> 6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
> lap?
>
>
> If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
> be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
> spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
> you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
> on?
>
> In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
> maneuver.
>
> In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
>
> I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
> ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
>
> Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
> questions of the officials.
>
> If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
> their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
> whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
> only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
>
> As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
> happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
> communicate issues/changes to the riders.
>
> There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA rule
> book that I could find.
>
> Should it be allowed?
>
> If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
> that only one ear piece may be used.
>
> Ok, let's hear it...
>
> Fish
>
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:10:47 -0700
From: "Dan H"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
To: "Duncan Calver" ,
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"OBRA could buy (or bill us by increasing membership fees) several sets
of 'neutral' radios to be handed out to riders selected by lottery at each
race."
Duncan, Are you insane? That is a 30 round clip of problems on full auto!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan Calver"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton

> No solutions from me, just suggestions:
>
> These radios are bound to be a point of contention between affiliated
> riders
> and non-affiliated riders. To even the playing field, and to solve the
> initial dilemma of having bettered communication from the race officials,
> maybe OBRA could buy (or bill us by increasing membership fees) several
> sets
> of 'neutral' radios to be handed out to riders selected by lottery at each
> race. These riders would be expected to relay info to the other riders in
> the peloton. As you can imagine, though, that could get very sticky.
>
> If these radios were team-specific, many teams would be unable to purchase
> them, and it would make them tools for bettering TACTICS, not relaying
> conditions on the course. In itself, that is fine, but because we are not
> an organization that requires every rider to be on a team, I see it as
> problematic. Are these radios for domestique work/Bruyneel orders or
> keeping the field safe? Imitating the pros is a great way to appreciate
> the
> sport at its limits, but many amateur riders may not be skilled enough to
> handle such a responsibility like a pro can.
>
> But I wouldn't mind wearing a radio, personally. Even if it did add ~700
> grams extra weight.
>
> Especially if it was pink/black.
>
> Duncan
>
>
>>From: "Tim Maloney"
>>Reply-To: Tim Maloney
>>To:
>>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:34:56 -0700
>>
>>when this came up before, one of the issues was differentiating between
>>a team radio for communications and a racer with an ipod. Several people
>>suggested racers with ipods are dangerous.
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
>>To:
>>Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:15 PM
>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Radios for the peleton
>>
>>
>> > As a racer, I've had the following questions go through my head while
>> > racing:
>> > 1.) Is the road open at 200M across both lanes?
>> > 2.) Where is the break?
>> > 3.) Where is the field? (I usually wonder about #2 much more often.)
>> > 4.) Where's the wheel car?
>> > 5.) What did the official just say because the wind is blowing at 30
>> > mph in my ears?
>> > 6.) Did Candi just say there would be cattle on the road on the next
>> > lap?
>> >
>> >
>> > If you've ever wondered this stuff, or had other questions, wouldn't it
>> > be nice to simply be able to ask for clarification without losing your
>> > spot in the field to drop back and ask? If you drop back to ask, would
>> > you happily share your info with the group after fighting to get back
>> > on?
>> >
>> > In a field of 15 riders, one might be able to easily execute this
>> > maneuver.
>> >
>> > In a field of 80 Cat 3s, it's a little more difficult.
>> >
>> > I would like to propose we allow riders to use a two-way radio with one
>> > ear piece/mic while racing, regardless of the field.
>> >
>> > Riders could tune to the OBRA race freq to monitor chatter and ask
>> > questions of the officials.
>> >
>> > If desired, they could tune to another freq if they need to talk to
>> > their team car to get the team doc to adjust their chamois butter, or
>> > whatever. "Personal" use would not be prohibited on other frequencies,
>> > only on the OBRA freq of 3-15.
>> >
>> > As long as one ear is "un wired", and no "team" or "misc" race chatter
>> > happens over the OBRA race freq, this could be a valuable tool to
>> > communicate issues/changes to the riders.
>> >
>> > There is currently no rule addressing the use of radios in the OBRA
>> > rule
>> > book that I could find.
>> >
>> > Should it be allowed?
>> >
>> > If so, the only reason it even needs to be in the rules is to stipulate
>> > that only one ear piece may be used.
>> >
>> > Ok, let's hear it...
>> >
>> > Fish
>> >
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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:01:20 -0700
From: "Matthew Miner"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] What if Floyd Landis were innocent?
To:
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For those of you still interested . this is a good read.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/16/opinion/edeustice.php

John Eustice International Herald Tribune

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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:51:58 +0000
From: comotionclassic@comcast.net
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Eug Cel Crit
To: obra@list.obra.org, nwcycling@topica.com
Message-ID:

<082920060651.5258.44F3E40E00090A360000148A22007504380C079C9C0E040C0201079B0
103010C@comcast.net>

Yes, it has moved back to the same course as last year.
Flat, wide open 1K.
http://www.obra.org/flyers/2006/eugene_celebration.html

-sal

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Message: 29
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:33:17 -0700
From: "Robert Burney"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Old Alpenrose pictures
To: "'Darell Provencher'" , "'OBRA'"

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It appears these photos were from a Thursday night race in 1984. I recognize
the red/white/blue jerseys from a team I was on that year. I think they are
riding a Madison, and they would have been using seat slings, not the hand
slings we now use.

The rider in blue (with white Brancale helmet) just leaving the rail is a
very young Darrol Batke-before he won the US Madison Championships.

One of the reasons the attendance was so low is that Mike and Candi had not
started to help Oregon racing. Another reason is that the faster riders
were all away at Natz.

Darrell's comments about the south turn water hazard are right on. Anyone
remember racing the track right after Mt. St. Helens blew. I have pictures
somewhere of riders going down the home straight with a 'roster tail' of ash
coming off the back wheel. It made match sprints very exciting when the
riders tried to go slowly around the banking.

Robert

Robert E. Burney, JD

President

THE CORBEN GROUP

300 Oswego Pointe Drive, Suite 210

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

Cell: 503-502-4289

EFax: 503-210-1595

Email: robert@corben.org

Website: www.corben.org

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Darell Provencher
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:36 PM
To: 'OBRA'
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Old Alpenrose pictures

Nice picture of a very young (and fast) Jerry Powell in pic 027 (black
jersey). The guy in orange jersey was/is the owner of Basset Press? Name?

Thanks for sharing Mike.

-- Darell

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Murray
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'OBRA'
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Old Alpenrose pictures

Mike Murray

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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:40:47 -0700
From: "Dan Houghton"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] StumpJumper
To: "OBRA list"
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posting for a pal. contact him, not me.
http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/bik/198487260.html

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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:31:34 -0700
From: "Evan MacKenzie"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Need a 49cm road bike?
To:
Message-ID:

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I just came across what appears to be a pretty sweet bike on ebay, very
reasonably priced (so far).

Bidding ends in about an hour.

I'd bid on it for my wife but I'd just get in trouble...

Full Dura Ace 7700!

http://cgi.ebay.com/49cm-Womans-Hand-Made-Steel-Frame-Road-Bike_W0QQitemZ330
020936631QQihZ014QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Frame: Lugged steal frame made in U.S.A. by Peckham. True temper RCX2 heat
treated chromoly, double-butted frame tubes. Color is blue/green fade.

Seat Tube - 49cm

Wheel Base - 99cm or 39"

Top Tube - 52cm

Down Tube - 63cm

Chain Stay - 41cm

Stand Over Height - 29 1/2"

Seat Tube Angle - 88?

Steering Angle - 73?

Components:

(a) brakes - Dura-Ace caliper brakes (BR - 7700).

(b) shifters - Shimano Dura-Ace STI (some scuffs). Flight Deck compatabile.

(d) rear derailleur - Dura-Ace RD - 7700

(e) crank set - Shimano Dura-Ace FC-7700 (length 170 mm). Outer chain ring
53 teeth (some wear). Inner chain ring 39 teeth.

(f) head set - Cane Creek S5 (threadless)

(g) handlebars - Nitto B 105RD (36 cm center to center; 37 cm outside to
outside)

(h) front fork - Carbon Look

(i) seat post - Dura-Ace/Easton

(j) bottom bracket - Dura-Ace

(j) cabling - Dura-Ace

(k) cassette - Dura-Ace CS - 7700 (9 speed); 12-27 (range)

Wheels: MAVIC Open Pro 700 cm

Saddle: Terry Butterfly X with titanium rails

Evan MacKenzie

Urban Planner I

City of Hillsboro

150 E. Main Street, 4th floor

Hillsboro, OR 97123

503-681-6154

evanm@ci.hillsboro.or.us

http://www.ci.hillsboro.or.us/Planning_Department/

Try Hillsboro Maps! Tons of info on any property in Hillsboro.

http://hillsboromaps.ci.hillsboro.or.us/hillsboro/index.cfm

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