Randy Dreiling
Hi All
We tried this for two years with the Oregon Mt Bike
Series and very few people signed up.
Maybe it would be different on the road side.
Take Care
--- Scott McElroy wrote:
> I know that this apple has already hit another
> Newton in the head, and was also
> probably already covered by others more educated
> than I. With that said, is it
> possible to set up a fund that allows season passes
> to be sold at the beginning
> of the season, and at least partially creates the
> necessary funding for the
> promoters of each race? It would create cash flows
> for the OBRA administrator
> compensation etc as well. It works at ski resorts,
> and other sporting venues,
> why not cycling? The bottom line benefit is that
> you get the money up front,
> and also there is a great chance that not all that
> buy a season pass will show
> up to each race, which also adds to the fund. You
> could even pick your races
> off of the OBRA website calendar, and pay in advance
> on credit card via a Paypal
> type clearing house. Just a thought.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf
> Of Edward Kendrick Sr
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 2:11 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] race promotion
>
>
>
> I agree with Steve. Most of the entry fees are paid
> by people who will not
> place. Propoters need to survive.
>
>
>
> Off Topic: Let's make sure the OBRA administrators
> are getting paid as much as
> they can be.
>
>
>
> FYI: I would ride a RR instead of a crit., every
> time. I might rather do a
> training ride instead of a crit.
>
>
> Steven R Holland wrote:
>
> I'm probably going to regret sending this e mail
> but......
>
> ATTN RACE PROMOTERS:
>
> If you are not making any $$ at your race, CHARGE US
> MORE TO DO YOUR
> RACE and/or STOP PAYING BIG PRIZE LISTS. Supply and
> demand baby. If your
> race had a waiting list for some categories in 06,
> charge more in
> 07.......
>
> Honestly, how many of you racers reading this e mail
> would stop racing
> if there were NO cash prize lists?
> 5?...10?...20?....I promise, we won't
> miss you if you stop racing :-)
>
> I would say 95% of us, or more, do not race for
> prize $$$ anyways.
>
> Columbia Plateau SR pays "almost" nothing [no
> offence Mark] and they
> have a HUGE turn out because it's an AWESOME race.
> In Washington the
> Mason Lake series [Their version of a BB series]
> pays NOTHING and they
> have huge fields, right David?
>
> When you figure in gas, hotel etc., the entry fee is
> not a huge % of the
> total cost in "most" cases.
>
> From: ""
> To: mike.murray@obra.org, obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 22:22:43 -0700
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] race promotion
>
> I think Mike is right if you play your cards right
> and have a good sponsorship
> base you can pull a small wage out of an event but
> it will not be from entry
> fees. A few promoters I am sure do pull it off and
> my feeling is more power to
> them they deserve it (as long as the race is still
> quality) I know of no other
> sport that gives its athletes more bang for there
> buck. In multisport and
> adventure races entry fees are three to four times
> as big and there is no prize
> money offered just ribbons and medals. I can tell
> you that this year was a
> costly one for Mt. Hood. Rapid growth of the event
> and pumping it up to offer a
> tremendous experience to the athletes comes at a
> price. This year myself, and
> the group that puts it on will not even recover the
> money we spent out of our
> own pockets on gas for travel before and during the
> race let alone the child
> care, vacation time, etc that was spent. I agree
> that it is ultimately the
> promoters responsibility and they should be the ones
> to cover all expenses even if they have to pull
> their credit card out to do it
> (been there done that) but go easy on them. It is
> hard to stomach paying out of
> pocket for an event you just poured 600-700 hours
> into putting together over the
> course of 10 months. Also make sure you let the
> events sponsors know how much
> you appreciate them. With out them the level of
> racing would not even be close
> to the same. They are critical.
>
> Chad
>
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> From : Mike Murray[mailto:mike.murray@obra.org]
> Sent : 9/1/2006 5:48:51 PM
> To : obra@list.obra.org
> Cc :
> Subject : RE: Re: [OBRA Chat] race promotion
>
> Several years ago we surveyed race organizers about
> whether their race made
> or lost money. The results showed that a small
> number of races made money,
> a larger number lost money and most were very near
> to breaking even. Since
> that time there has been increasing participation
> and we have worked at
> decreasing race organizer costs by providing more
> services so I expect that
> there are more races making money now than at the
> time of the survey.
> Regardless of this, there are few race organizers
> who are turning any
> significant profit. Although they are running a
> "business" none are doing
> this for the money.
>
>
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [
> mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick wilder
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 13:19 PM
> To: Matt Plummer; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] race promotion
>
>
> The OBRA site has a link for promoters you can see
> what the charges are for
> races.
>
> The WVC is a USCF race correct? I don't know the
> break down for their costs
> but I'm confident to say they are higher than OBRA's
> fees.
>
> The other point I want to make is that OBRA fees are
> only part of the story.
>
> Permitts, Venues, Port-o-Potties, food etc, all cost
> money in addition to
> OBRA fees.
>
> I helped promote the Hood River Cross Race last year
> with Veloshop we ran a
> shoe string budget and were lucky to pretty much
> just break even for that
> race. A huge event like WVC cost a lot more.
>
>
>
> Matt Plummer wrote:
>
> I've been reading the various opinions that people
> have been sharing about
> the
>
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Randy Dreiling
Owner Oregon Adventures www.oregon-adventures.com
Executive Director Oakridge/Westfir Area Chamber of Commerce
www.oakridgechamber.com
Mt Bike Oregon www.mtbikeoregon.com
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