Re: I would like some informationon Oregon /WashingtonTraffic requlations for bicycles &

Rick C Johnson

2006-09-27

I guess that's why we don't call them a "sideride".

(But then again this is a country where we drive on parkways and park on
driveways...)

Rick

John Parsons wrote:

>In my opinion you are discouraged. I assert that sidewalks are intended
>for pedestrians, and pedestrians don't often enjoy sharing that limited
>space with faster, heavier modes of travel (especially when operated by
>thoughless people, which I am sure you are not).
>
>If all sidewalks were 14 feet wide, it would still be inappropriate,
>because bikers would probably just go faster. Even
>intentionally-desinged "shared facilities" do not work well. My wife
>does not like to walk on Eugene's lovely and mostly wide riverside paths
>because of the bikes that come from behind at speed and without
>warning.
>
>If all bikers over the age of twelve took to the streets, it would help
>show motorists that bikes are traffic rather than toys.
>
>It angers me when I see police and parking enforcement people riding
>their bikes on the sidewalk. Why do they need to do it? If it is
>because they feel safer there, shouldn't we all have that benefit? If
>it is becasue the street is risky, should they be doing something about
>that, instead of hiding from it by using a loophole the rest of us
>can't?
>
>In fact, they probably know as well as we do that riding on the
>sidewalk is not safer; crash histories show that car-bike conflicts are
>much more liokely with bikes ridden on the sidewalk.
>
>All that is beside the point, though-- I think it is just bad manners
>to ride on a sidewalk if you ar old enough to navigate the streets.
>
>Of course there are always exceptions, but your judgment should quickly
>tell you whether your presence on the sidewalk is welcomed by its
>primary intended users-- the peds.
>
>
>
>>>>"George de Randich" 9/27/2006 11:11:45 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> Have fun in Bend!
>
> If I am in a city where there is no written prohibition to riding
>on the sidewalk am I prevented, mandated or encouraged to ride on the
>sidewalk?
>
>
>Respectfully yours,
>George Y. de Randich,
>Longview, WA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: david baker
> To: George de Randich ; obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] I would like some informationon Oregon /
>WashingtonTraffic requlations for bicycles & tricycles
>
>
> George,
> Hopefully you have a flag if you are low to the ground.
> If the vehicle is traveling the same direction as you and wants to
>turn right, and there is a clear bike lane, you take the bike lane to
>the intersection. The vehicle turning must wait for anyone in the bike
>lane to pass before turning. Your speed is not really a factor, they
>have to wait for pedestrians too.
> If there is no bike lane, you ride like you are a vehicle. Pull up
>behind the last vehicle there, whether or not they are turning. Go
>through the intersection as if you were a car. Then go to the right side
>of the road after exiting the intersection.
> If you are looking to turn left, you ride like you are a vehicle and
>go in the left turn lane behind the last vehicle. Then go to the right
>side of the road after exiting the intersection.
> If that is too scary you might need to plan a route that only has
>right turns and straight throughs, or you could become a pedestrian at
>the intersection by dismounting the bike and using the cross walks like
>a pedestrian.
>
> I would assume that you do not ride on sidewalks at all unless there
>is a sign indicating it is ok, like a boardwalk or something.
> You could always walk your bike.
> I am from Bend so things might be different over there.
> Is that right everyone?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: George de Randich
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:34 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] I would like some informationon Oregon /
>WashingtonTraffic requlations for bicycles & tricycles
>
>
> Please understand that I'm a re-tread to bicycling and
>tricycling.
>
> Given those facts can you answer these questions:
> 1.. Given that I am a very slow 3 wheeler. Is it appropriate for
>me to yield the right of way to turning motovehicles that have reached
>the stop light before me!
> 2.. When must I drive my bicycle / tricycle on the side walk and
>provided that there is no posted prohibition, when am I prevented from
>driving on said sidewalk?
> Thank you very much for your information!
>
> 627 miles on the odometer since April,
> George de Randich,
> Longview, Washington
>
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John Parsons

2006-09-27

In my opinion you are discouraged. I assert that sidewalks are intended
for pedestrians, and pedestrians don't often enjoy sharing that limited
space with faster, heavier modes of travel (especially when operated by
thoughless people, which I am sure you are not).

If all sidewalks were 14 feet wide, it would still be inappropriate,
because bikers would probably just go faster. Even
intentionally-desinged "shared facilities" do not work well. My wife
does not like to walk on Eugene's lovely and mostly wide riverside paths
because of the bikes that come from behind at speed and without
warning.

If all bikers over the age of twelve took to the streets, it would help
show motorists that bikes are traffic rather than toys.

It angers me when I see police and parking enforcement people riding
their bikes on the sidewalk. Why do they need to do it? If it is
because they feel safer there, shouldn't we all have that benefit? If
it is becasue the street is risky, should they be doing something about
that, instead of hiding from it by using a loophole the rest of us
can't?

In fact, they probably know as well as we do that riding on the
sidewalk is not safer; crash histories show that car-bike conflicts are
much more liokely with bikes ridden on the sidewalk.

All that is beside the point, though-- I think it is just bad manners
to ride on a sidewalk if you ar old enough to navigate the streets.

Of course there are always exceptions, but your judgment should quickly
tell you whether your presence on the sidewalk is welcomed by its
primary intended users-- the peds.

>>> "George de Randich" 9/27/2006 11:11:45 AM
>>>
Have fun in Bend!

If I am in a city where there is no written prohibition to riding
on the sidewalk am I prevented, mandated or encouraged to ride on the
sidewalk?

Respectfully yours,
George Y. de Randich,
Longview, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: david baker
To: George de Randich ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] I would like some informationon Oregon /
WashingtonTraffic requlations for bicycles & tricycles

George,
Hopefully you have a flag if you are low to the ground.
If the vehicle is traveling the same direction as you and wants to
turn right, and there is a clear bike lane, you take the bike lane to
the intersection. The vehicle turning must wait for anyone in the bike
lane to pass before turning. Your speed is not really a factor, they
have to wait for pedestrians too.
If there is no bike lane, you ride like you are a vehicle. Pull up
behind the last vehicle there, whether or not they are turning. Go
through the intersection as if you were a car. Then go to the right side
of the road after exiting the intersection.
If you are looking to turn left, you ride like you are a vehicle and
go in the left turn lane behind the last vehicle. Then go to the right
side of the road after exiting the intersection.
If that is too scary you might need to plan a route that only has
right turns and straight throughs, or you could become a pedestrian at
the intersection by dismounting the bike and using the cross walks like
a pedestrian.

I would assume that you do not ride on sidewalks at all unless there
is a sign indicating it is ok, like a boardwalk or something.
You could always walk your bike.
I am from Bend so things might be different over there.
Is that right everyone?
----- Original Message -----
From: George de Randich
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:34 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] I would like some informationon Oregon /
WashingtonTraffic requlations for bicycles & tricycles

Please understand that I'm a re-tread to bicycling and
tricycling.

Given those facts can you answer these questions:
1.. Given that I am a very slow 3 wheeler. Is it appropriate for
me to yield the right of way to turning motovehicles that have reached
the stop light before me!
2.. When must I drive my bicycle / tricycle on the side walk and
provided that there is no posted prohibition, when am I prevented from
driving on said sidewalk?
Thank you very much for your information!

627 miles on the odometer since April,
George de Randich,
Longview, Washington

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