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I'm not getting involved in the hydration "discussion," but I have had both of my hips replaced.
It's been 5 years and while I still experience some discomfort particularly in my right hip I've been able to do activities, such as cycling and even tying my own shoes again - which has been nice. Running, hopping, skipping, jumping are out of course. Riding on the track, however, is in. :)
I'll have to do them again but hopefully not for another 15 years and then most likely again at some point down the road.
Conor Buescher
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From: john
Good Lord ! Its just something to be aware of ! I used the words 'Not Necessarily'... and that it may be in ignorance. It may just not necessarily be emphasized in lieu of surgery. It is certainly NOT a conspiracy, but a lot doctors know no more than me or you about preventation. But they know how to fix you. Their livelihood is depends on fixing these problems, its what they do, so they certainly aren't going to tell you to just go drink water. Well you would simply go see someone else too ! Those of us who get / have postgrad educations typicially begin to understand what idiots we are and how much more stuff is out there, and that modern science and technology certainly will never provide all the answers and that just because someone has Phd doesn't necessarily mean anything. That said, if my body is broken, i am certainly going to a doctor, PT or etc... Anyway.. enough.. (just to be prempetive, yes overhydration can be bad too)
To change the subject, in light of Flyod's hip replacement, Here's a link to a nice writeup about hips.
http://www.memagazine.org/contents/current/features/hipnew/hipnew.html
an excerpt:
"The modern hip implant, while not a complete triumph, is an outstanding achievement of mechanical engineering, from materials selection and design through machining and surgical procedure. Like many other engineering achievements, it was built on failure. "
Enjoy. From John
"Long, Steve" wrote:
Oh please, I've had doctors and physical therapists advice good hydration. Have you ever read the hypocratic oath John?
I would have to be pretty cynical to think a doctor would not tell me about hydration just so they could do surgery
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of john
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:56 AM
To: dansilvernail@comcast.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] back problems
OK i see a few people here and there with a bottle, but Oh come on, its not even 5% of everyone, if that, unless you work in a health club or something...
So have you read anything that says Americans are obsessed with hydration? Its much more plausible to say that Americans are obsessed with coffee !
My understanding is that this is not an instant thing anyway. It's chronic dehydration. Its not just rehydrating after a bike ride. Its slow and based on what your hydration has been in the past weeks... It can take days and a lot of peeing clear to rehydrate cells in your body.
And any of you who have followed any sort of training program should know that you start hydrating for a hard (and especially if its long and hot) event 2 to 3 days prior ! Those of us who exercise hard, then drink coffee too, drink a beer here and there, I personally think, have to be especially cautious, and I am betting a lot of us cyclists are not as hydrated as we should be. Myself included..
Most headaches are of course because of water too. Everyone knows that right ? I assume this is common knowledge. Since your brain is mostly water, if you are dehydrated, it settles and puts pressure, ie a headache.
Your discs are 80% water. Do a little research. Read a little, and you will see that this has merit.
Google "dehydration and back problems" and look around. I know you can't believe everything you read, but _most_ people in general, if they spend the time to write something, try to get it right...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=dehydration+and+back+problems
I already addressed stretching (which for cyclists always means the hamstrings !) . So then your / repsonse to mine has no point;its not helpful.
And to be clear I am just the messenger, but really, this is good stuff, and I am sure it will be of help to someone. Also its not necessarily the hydration issue that hurts you, its being chronically deyhrated and then lifting something heavy, or in some way crunching your back.. ie like moving / lifting boxes.. ?
Keep in mind back surgery and other back stuff is good business, so doctors / others aren't going to necessarily know or tell you this stuff.
Drinking water is (nearly) free. there is no gimmick.
j schmidt
dansilvernail@comcast.net wrote:
Oh, come on now. Americans are so obsessed with hydration, it's almost ludicrous. Look at everyone walking around with one of those store-bought bottles of water (I guess the free stuff that comes out of the sink isn't the right type). No, I highly doubt that's the problem. If you're stranded somewhere in the desert, I don't think back problems are what are going to kill you.
Seriously, it could be tight hamstrings. But then again, maybe not. Just one theory (but a little more plausible than being dehydrated)
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From: john
What i have read is that a lot of back problems are related to hydration. Most americans are chronically dehydrated . I guess too much soda, coffee, beer etc...
All the discs in your back are full of water and give cushion and space. Without being properly hydrated, when you go to lift something or use your back the vertabre can touch and be damaged... And then you are in trouble.. (sorry not totally technical, i read this a long time ago).
The story i read was one guy bedridden with back pain about ready to have surgery. Well a friend told him to hold off on the surgey and start drinking water. After about a week of keeping well hydrated (I assume it takes a hydrated body and some time before the discs rehydrate?) his pain went away and he could get out of bed, and didn't have surgery.
Oh also when i first moved to Oregon I found i had to be really careful, I almost hurt my back. There is a lot more and lot longer hills. Your body takes a while to get use to this. You can't hammer / power over them like in the Midwest or elsewhere. Get a smaller gear and spin up the hills. Lots of situps / stretching and rest your back...!
mike wrote:
i throughout my back almost three years ago and im new to the portland area. i was wondering if any obra people have found a doctor that was really helpful with back injury. i've never been given a clear explanation of what's going on with me and have never had an mri.
thanks for any replies.
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From: john
To: mike , obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] back problems
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:25:56 +0000
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