Opinion Letter - Camas Post Record

Becky and Nikos

2001-06-28

Hello all,



The following is taken from "Whose roads? Defining bicyclists' right to use

public Roadways" that was published in the BTA CycLetter on March 1996:



"On average, an automobile driver travels on public roads about 15,000 miles

per year, while non-driving bicyclists and transit users average a quarter

or less of this distance. On a per capita basis, bicyclists pay far more in

taxes per mile of roadway travel than drivers."



The example of Mike the Motorist (15,000 miles/yr) and Francis Footpower

(4,000 miles/yr) is summarized on a table in the same article, which I am

including:



Household's general taxes used for roadway services:

Mike $400    Francis $400



Automobile user charges (fuel taxes and vehicle registration fees):

Mike $300    Francis $0



Total road system contribution:

Mike $700    Francis $400



Tax paid per mile of travel:

Mike 4.7c     Francis 10.0c



Payment to cost ratio (assuming automobile costs=6.5c per mile, bicycle=0.2c

per mile):

Mike 0.72    Francis 50



Total annual road use costs (with above assumption):

Mike $975    Francis $7



NET

Mike +$275 (=subsidies)    Francis ($393) (=tax overpayment)



I do not want to hear "Bikers get off the road" again!



Respectfully,

Nikos Tzetos



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 Last time I checked, cyclists per capita income is

significantly higher than average. Therefore, it is

likely we are paying more taxes than most drivers.



Maybe we should get rid of the cars instead.



Cheers,

Jonathan C. Puskas



 

The following letter to the editor was in the

Tuesday, June 26th 2001

Camas-Washougal Post Record. 425 N.E. 4th Avenue,

Camas Washington ---

www.camaspostrecord.com



Bicyclists are hazard on Washougal River Road

I enjoy bicycling myself, but I also value my life.

I think it is ridiculous

and foolish to see bicyclists ride on roads like

"The Washougal River Road"

and any road such as that. It is not only dangerous

to the bicyclists, but

hazards to the automobiles, too. There are many

other safer places for

bicyclists to ride and are designated just for

bicyclists. I believe it

should be outlawed for bicycling on roads, unless

otherwise permitted too.



Many other people will vouch for me, I know as a

fact. We should be able to

stand up and know what is right and what is wrong.

Driving your bicycles on

dangerous roads is very wrong!



Just as it would be for a mother to walk her baby

alongside a dangerous road!

You would be risking your lives and the people

around you trying not to hit

you as they come around a corner and hit the vehicle

in the other lane. That

is one of many examples. On the other hand, the

automobile that does not see

a bicyclist and kill the bicyclist. I do hope that

people will hear me out

and make this happen.

I do not like to see innocent people get killed or

hurt in accidents that we

can correct ourselves.



J.R. Williams

Washougal

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As a resident of the area and an active rider of

Washougal River Road, I know

that many OBRA members also enjoy this ride.

Throughout the year I see

various team riders as well as individuals enjoying

this particular road. I

have also been informed that this years Camas road

race will also be taking

place on a portion of Washougal River Road. I know

that rebutting these

opinions is like banging your head agains the

wall... it only feels better

when you stop. But, as a glutton for punnishment, I

plan to follow up on this

issue and encourage anyone else with a strong

opinion to do the same.



Thanks for your time,



Ward Knable



feldmans

2001-06-28

Knowing rural Clark County drivers all too well, I'd like to suggest that

they would find encountering cyclists less bothersome and frightening if

they would drive at the, ah, posted speed limit. Yes, Mark, I'm buying

myself a BTA membership next month.

David Feldman

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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2:15 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Opinion Letter - Camas Post Record





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I wonder if J. R. Williams would be so kind as to map out an alternative

route for those cyclist who enjoy riding 75 to 100 miles on a given day

with roads designated for cycling only..... I know alot of people who have

ridden for years who have yet to find a weekend ride that would have

designated bike lane's for ALL 100 miles. His time and effort constructing

the letter would have been better spent addressing the fact that there are

not enough bike lane's for many of the roads traveled. His potential

road-rage may have been caused by 30 seconds of inconvenience for having

to

 wait and pass a group of riders. I'm sure being late to his ELKS club

meeting or anger management classes is more important then the minor delay

he has experienced in the past.



Scott Harman



















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The following letter to the editor was in the Tuesday, June 26th 2001

Camas-Washougal Post Record. 425 N.E. 4th Avenue, Camas Washington ---

www.camaspostrecord.com



Bicyclists are hazard on Washougal River Road

I enjoy bicycling myself, but I also value my life. I think it is

ridiculous

  and foolish to see bicyclists ride on roads like "The Washougal River

Road"

  and any road such as that. It is not only dangerous to the bicyclists,

but

  hazards to the automobiles, too. There are many other safer places for

bicyclists to ride and are designated just for bicyclists. I believe it

should be outlawed for bicycling on roads, unless otherwise permitted

too.

  

Many other people will vouch for me, I know as a fact. We should be able

to

  stand up and know what is right and what is wrong. Driving your bicycles

on

  dangerous roads is very wrong!



Just as it would be for a mother to walk her baby alongside a dangerous

road!

 You would be risking your lives and the people around you trying not to

hit

  you as they come around a corner and hit the vehicle in the other lane.

That

  is one of many examples. On the other hand, the automobile that does not

see

  a bicyclist and kill the bicyclist. I do hope that people will hear me

out

  and make this happen.

I do not like to see innocent people get killed or hurt in accidents that

we

  can correct ourselves.



J.R. Williams

Washougal



---------------------------------------------------------------------------

---

 

------------------------------



As a resident of the area and an active rider of Washougal River Road, I

know

 that many OBRA members also enjoy this ride. Throughout the year I see

various team riders as well as individuals enjoying this particular road.

I

  have also been informed that this years Camas road race will also be

taking

  place on a portion of Washougal River Road. I know that rebutting these

opinions is like banging your head agains the wall... it only feels

better

  when you stop. But, as a glutton for punnishment, I plan to follow up on

this

 issue and encourage anyone else with a strong opinion to do the same.



Thanks for your time,



Ward Knable





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Scott Harman

2001-06-28

I wonder if J. R. Williams would be so kind as to map out an alternative

route for those cyclist who enjoy riding 75 to 100 miles on a given day

with roads designated for cycling only..... I know alot of people who have

ridden for years who have yet to find a weekend ride that would have

designated bike lane's for ALL 100 miles. His time and effort constructing

the letter would have been better spent addressing the fact that there are

not enough bike lane's for many of the roads traveled. His potential

road-rage may have been caused by 30 seconds of inconvenience for having to

wait and pass a group of riders. I'm sure being late to his ELKS club

meeting or anger management classes is more important then the minor delay

he has experienced in the past.



Scott Harman



















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The following letter to the editor was in the Tuesday, June 26th 2001

Camas-Washougal Post Record. 425 N.E. 4th Avenue, Camas Washington ---

www.camaspostrecord.com



Bicyclists are hazard on Washougal River Road

I enjoy bicycling myself, but I also value my life. I think it is ridiculous

and foolish to see bicyclists ride on roads like "The Washougal River Road"

and any road such as that. It is not only dangerous to the bicyclists, but

hazards to the automobiles, too. There are many other safer places for

bicyclists to ride and are designated just for bicyclists. I believe it

should be outlawed for bicycling on roads, unless otherwise permitted too.



Many other people will vouch for me, I know as a fact. We should be able to

stand up and know what is right and what is wrong. Driving your bicycles on

dangerous roads is very wrong!



Just as it would be for a mother to walk her baby alongside a dangerous

road!

 You would be risking your lives and the people around you trying not to hit

you as they come around a corner and hit the vehicle in the other lane. That

is one of many examples. On the other hand, the automobile that does not see

a bicyclist and kill the bicyclist. I do hope that people will hear me out

and make this happen.

I do not like to see innocent people get killed or hurt in accidents that we

can correct ourselves.



J.R. Williams

Washougal



         

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

---

 

------------------------------



As a resident of the area and an active rider of Washougal River Road, I

know

 that many OBRA members also enjoy this ride. Throughout the year I see

various team riders as well as individuals enjoying this particular road. I

have also been informed that this years Camas road race will also be taking

place on a portion of Washougal River Road. I know that rebutting these

opinions is like banging your head agains the wall... it only feels better

when you stop. But, as a glutton for punnishment, I plan to follow up on

this

 issue and encourage anyone else with a strong opinion to do the same.



Thanks for your time,



Ward Knable





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Jonathan Puskas

2001-06-28

Last time I checked, cyclists per capita income is

significantly higher than average. Therefore, it is

likely we are paying more taxes than most drivers.



Maybe we should get rid of the cars instead.



Cheers,

Jonathan C. Puskas



--- ffwa-@cs.com wrote:

 
============================================================

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our

Filet & Strip Combo for only $29.99 each. Order now

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season with

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============================================================

 

The following letter to the editor was in the

Tuesday, June 26th 2001

Camas-Washougal Post Record. 425 N.E. 4th Avenue,

Camas Washington ---

www.camaspostrecord.com



Bicyclists are hazard on Washougal River Road

I enjoy bicycling myself, but I also value my life.

I think it is ridiculous

and foolish to see bicyclists ride on roads like

"The Washougal River Road"

and any road such as that. It is not only dangerous

to the bicyclists, but

hazards to the automobiles, too. There are many

other safer places for

bicyclists to ride and are designated just for

bicyclists. I believe it

should be outlawed for bicycling on roads, unless

otherwise permitted too.



Many other people will vouch for me, I know as a

fact. We should be able to

stand up and know what is right and what is wrong.

Driving your bicycles on

dangerous roads is very wrong!



Just as it would be for a mother to walk her baby

alongside a dangerous road!

You would be risking your lives and the people

around you trying not to hit

you as they come around a corner and hit the vehicle

in the other lane. That

is one of many examples. On the other hand, the

automobile that does not see

a bicyclist and kill the bicyclist. I do hope that

people will hear me out

and make this happen.

I do not like to see innocent people get killed or

hurt in accidents that we

can correct ourselves.



J.R. Williams

Washougal



          

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

------------------------------



As a resident of the area and an active rider of

Washougal River Road, I know

that many OBRA members also enjoy this ride.

Throughout the year I see

various team riders as well as individuals enjoying

this particular road. I

have also been informed that this years Camas road

race will also be taking

place on a portion of Washougal River Road. I know

that rebutting these

opinions is like banging your head agains the

wall... it only feels better

when you stop. But, as a glutton for punnishment, I

plan to follow up on this

issue and encourage anyone else with a strong

opinion to do the same.



Thanks for your time,



Ward Knable

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The following letter to the editor was in the Tuesday, June 26th 2001

Camas-Washougal Post Record. 425 N.E. 4th Avenue, Camas Washington ---

www.camaspostrecord.com



Bicyclists are hazard on Washougal River Road

I enjoy bicycling myself, but I also value my life. I think it is ridiculous

and foolish to see bicyclists ride on roads like "The Washougal River Road"

and any road such as that. It is not only dangerous to the bicyclists, but

hazards to the automobiles, too. There are many other safer places for

bicyclists to ride and are designated just for bicyclists. I believe it

should be outlawed for bicycling on roads, unless otherwise permitted too.



Many other people will vouch for me, I know as a fact. We should be able to

stand up and know what is right and what is wrong. Driving your bicycles on

dangerous roads is very wrong!



Just as it would be for a mother to walk her baby alongside a dangerous road!

You would be risking your lives and the people around you trying not to hit

you as they come around a corner and hit the vehicle in the other lane. That

is one of many examples. On the other hand, the automobile that does not see

a bicyclist and kill the bicyclist. I do hope that people will hear me out

and make this happen.

I do not like to see innocent people get killed or hurt in accidents that we

can correct ourselves.



J.R. Williams

Washougal



         

------------------------------------------------------------------------------



------------------------------



As a resident of the area and an active rider of Washougal River Road, I know

that many OBRA members also enjoy this ride. Throughout the year I see

various team riders as well as individuals enjoying this particular road. I

have also been informed that this years Camas road race will also be taking

place on a portion of Washougal River Road. I know that rebutting these

opinions is like banging your head agains the wall... it only feels better

when you stop. But, as a glutton for punnishment, I plan to follow up on this

issue and encourage anyone else with a strong opinion to do the same.



Thanks for your time,



Ward Knable