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From: "Don Vizzini" <donvizzini@hotmail.com>
To: gmalcolm@professionalcredit.com, trackdaze@hotmail.com, rideon1@hotmail.com,obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:12:38 -0800

Lets see,- Maybe the few years I've been out of racing things have changed ? ...Back in the day; snowing up hill both ways in every race (funny), I remember master races being 35+, (& some 30+ races were frequent) to either size up the filed, or lessen the # of different catagories to fit in a day of racing ? Not really sure what the purpose was? I just raced & was blessed with the good fortune of being very copetitive & winning...The thing is- I never conciderd my age but, now looking back I was in my early 40's then, & now its late (very late) 40's...I guess alls I'm saying is; I was, & am grateful for all those who organize the races & set up the catagories...No matter how they are done a masters catagory is going to be difficult to suit everyone... I'm almost in the 50+ & was wondering if a guy could still race in the 40+?, maybe thats the
question?... Just thought an opinion from someone who was having to compete against 30's & 35's in his 40's+ may lend some peace of mind...Good luck to everyone in what every is decided

Maybe I should race again?

Best regards

Don Vizzini 

 

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From:  "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm@professionalcredit.com>
To:  "'mark duff'" <trackdaze@hotmail.com>, rideon1@hotmail.com,obra@list.obra.org
Subject:  Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
Date:  Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:03:14 -0800
>Mark,
>
>I honestly hope you are missing the point. I can't help but notice a bit of
>bitterness at the thought of lesser riders having decent placings against
>folks of their own caliber instead of submitting to the 'dominators'. I also
>strongly doubt open masters racing will ever be abandoned for categorized
>masters... it's really more of a welcome addition.
>
>Masters 3/4 or 4/5 is designed to allow older racers an entry point into the
>sport, and not to let experienced racers 'dominate' beginning gray beards.
I
>think these categories are typically well attended and offer the opportunity
>for the largest segment of Oregon riders to participate in racing without
>(how shall I put this kindly) getting their socks blown off by sandbagging
>high CATs looking for pack fodder.
>
>Straight up 35+ or 40+ Masters allows all the sandbaggers the law will
>allow, and with open arms too... See you there ;-)
>
>Best Regards,
>
>
>Gary Malcolm
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mark duff [mailto:trackdaze@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:40 AM
>To: rideon1@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
>
>
>Lets just hope we don't start seeing 40+ master cat3 or less races, like we
>started to see before they changed masters racing to
40+. I was looking
>forward to doing more masters racing last year but didn't get to because of
>the masters 40 rule, but now I'm 40 so I'm looking forward to getting to do
>more masters racing, but I'm also looking forward to doubling up at the
>crits when I'm feeling good and do the 1/2 race too. Promoters need to
>remember not to penalize a master just cause he can ride with the young guys
>
>and the promoters that like to do this cause the have a ton of 3's and want
>to dominate the master race, the really aren't because the best masters are
>not there...I just hope the promoters keep it as masters 40 with out the
>little rule changes. Just my 2 cents.
>cheers
>Mark Duff
>www.veloforma.com
>
>
> >From: "Luciano bailey" <rideon1@hotmail.com>
> >To:
<cmurray@obra.org>,<obra@list.obra.org>
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:51:06 -0800
> >
> >Vote on OBRA the whole masters issue can become almost overwhelming at
> >times, the truth is at the big events masters is an over thirty cat similar
>
> >to the twilight crit where an over forty guy Kent Johnston beat all comers.
>
> >In the events where some masters doubled up there performance in a 1/2 may
> >have been compromised due to the earlier ride in the masters. I think these
>
> >cats serve the borderline riders better than some of the super old guys so
> >keeping them certainly serves the majority. Just my 2 cents
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Candi
Murray<mailto:cmurray@obra.org>
> >   To: obra@list.obra.org<mailto:obra@list.obra.org>
> >   Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:17 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> >
> >
> >   If someone wants to propose this, the annual meeting is the first week
> >of
> >   February and it could be voted on again.
> >   Candi
> >
> >   Ps no the people voting on it were mostly under 40
> >
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org<mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org>
> >[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> >   Behalf Of David Marsh
> >   Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:26
AM
> >   To: obra@list.obra.org<mailto:obra@list.obra.org>
> >   Subject: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> >
> >   NCNCA uses masters 35+ at most races.  I enjoyed it, and would like to
> >see
> >   it in OBRA events.  If it is a rule that was voted on, why not put it up
>
> >for
> >   a vote again. Also, just wondering...were the majority of people who
> >voted
> >   for a 40+ masters over 40 years old?
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