Luciano bailey

Without question cost here are no different then costs anywhere, my issue is the sacrifice up to now has been shared by Mike and Candi that may not show up as a visible on going cost. OBRA's future lies in it's racers taking ownership (which many clubs and racers and volunteers do ) and nursing it as one of there children like the Murray's have done. Without that sense of community OBRA would be as impersonal as the UCI and other governing bodies. Lastly If anyone out there has any fund raising ideas other than this donation process ( fund raising events, maybe the OBRA Ride or something) I would be glad to volunteer.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Rideout
To: mike.murray@obra.org ; obra
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations

My concerns are two fold... making sure that the OBRA members are aware of what is needed to keep OBRA as a financially viable organization that continues to produce a quality race program and bring to light the governmental regulations that seem to be a form of financial sactioning designed with the intention of driving racing out of the area because the organization and rider can no longer afford meet the cost of additional "safety" requirements.
Jay

----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Murray >
To: obra >
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2007 3:38:23 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations

Jay Rideout wrote:

"Candi,
I would not consider it unreasonable to add one-time surcharges to cover
specific capital cost, especially to meet those requirements that are
mandated by the State or local government. But they need to be very visible
so we, the membership, know where to point the finger (you figure out which
one)."

The costs that Candi listed are ongoing costs not specific one time capital
costs. The "crash worthy" signs that some counties are pushing for are 3
times as expensive as what we have been using but we need to buy new signs
regularly as signs are constantly lost, stolen, broken, etc. (I suspect that
the new signs will not only be more expensive but also less durable and more
of a PITA to transport but road use authorities are pushing our hand.)
Numbers are an annual cost and are always in the same range quoted. Our
liability insurance costs went up this year (almost entirely due to medical
claims for injuries). We will always need to purchase insurance. We hope
to control the cost of insurance by no longer processing routine injury
medical claims.

The bottom line is that if we needed to increase charges to cover these
expenses it would not be a one time deal. I also have to point out that the
costs that Candi listed are only some of the expenditures that OBRA has.
Nearly all are ongoing expenses since even purchase of race equipment, such
as road signs, is a continuing process. It should also be mentioned that
just because OBRA is spending a lot of money doesn't mean it has a lot of
money. In fact it is just the other way around, of course. OBRA is, after
all, a non-profit so all the money that comes in also gets spent.

Although some people have indicated that they don't think that increasing
membership costs would adversely effect participation I would argue that the
evidence indicates otherwise. There is clearly an inverse relationship
between entry fees and participation. One of the reasons why there are many
more bike racers per capita in Oregon compared to the rest of the country is
because becoming a bike racer is cheaper. We should struggle to keep it
that way. Voluntary donations will help create more cash flow while not
effecting participation.

Mike Murray

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My concerns are two fold... making sure that the OBRA members are aware of what is needed to keep OBRA as a financially viable organization that continues to produce a quality race program and bring to light the governmental regulations that seem to be a form of financial sactioning designed with the intention of driving racing out of the area because the organization and rider can no longer afford meet the cost of additional "safety" requirements.
Jay

----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Murray
To: obra
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2007 3:38:23 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations

Jay Rideout wrote:

"Candi,
I would not consider it unreasonable to add one-time surcharges to cover
specific capital cost, especially to meet those requirements that are
mandated by the State or local government. But they need to be very visible
so we, the membership, know where to point the finger (you figure out which
one)."

The costs that Candi listed are ongoing costs not specific one time capital
costs. The "crash worthy" signs that some counties are pushing for are 3
times as expensive as what we have been using but we need to buy new signs
regularly as signs are constantly lost, stolen, broken, etc. (I suspect that
the new signs will not only be more expensive but also less durable and more
of a PITA to transport but road use authorities are pushing our hand.)
Numbers are an annual cost and are always in the same range quoted. Our
liability insurance costs went up this year (almost entirely due to medical
claims for injuries). We will always need to purchase insurance. We hope
to control the cost of insurance by no longer processing routine injury
medical claims.

The bottom line is that if we needed to increase charges to cover these
expenses it would not be a one time deal. I also have to point out that the
costs that Candi listed are only some of the expenditures that OBRA has.
Nearly all are ongoing expenses since even purchase of race equipment, such
as road signs, is a continuing process. It should also be mentioned that
just because OBRA is spending a lot of money doesn't mean it has a lot of
money. In fact it is just the other way around, of course. OBRA is, after
all, a non-profit so all the money that comes in also gets spent.

Although some people have indicated that they don't think that increasing
membership costs would adversely effect participation I would argue that the
evidence indicates otherwise. There is clearly an inverse relationship
between entry fees and participation. One of the reasons why there are many
more bike racers per capita in Oregon compared to the rest of the country is
because becoming a bike racer is cheaper. We should struggle to keep it
that way. Voluntary donations will help create more cash flow while not
effecting participation.

Mike Murray

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Interesting. The pay of OBRA Administrators should be raised too, and it should keep pace with inflation.

There's a lot, about which I could editorialize, but would someone please enter a motion to pay these good people more fairly?

Luciano bailey wrote:
Let me be the first to say how totally amazed I am that someone might have the nerve to start a thread about costs with OBRA. This would skip over the fact that at many times OBRA is the the Murray's Candi and Mike that is. Funding events and equipment out of there own pockets never hesitating to do whatever is needed to make things happen. So before we slide down the slippery chat slope keep it real.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Murray
To: 'obra'
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations

Jay Rideout wrote:

"Candi,
I would not consider it unreasonable to add one-time surcharges to cover
specific capital cost, especially to meet those requirements that are
mandated by the State or local government. But they need to be very visible
so we, the membership, know where to point the finger (you figure out which
one)."

The costs that Candi listed are ongoing costs not specific one time capital
costs. The "crash worthy" signs that some counties are pushing for are 3
times as expensive as what we have been using but we need to buy new signs
regularly as signs are constantly lost, stolen, broken, etc. (I suspect that
the new signs will not only be more expensive but also less durable and more
of a PITA to transport but road use authorities are pushing our hand.)
Numbers are an annual cost and are always in the same range quoted. Our
liability insurance costs went up this year (almost entirely due to medical
claims for injuries). We will always need to purchase insurance. We hope
to control the cost of insurance by no longer processing routine injury
medical claims.

The bottom line is that if we needed to increase charges to cover these
expenses it would not be a one time deal. I also have to point out that the
costs that Candi listed are only some of the expenditures that OBRA has.
Nearly all are ongoing expenses since even purchase of race equipment, such
as road signs, is a continuing process. It should also be mentioned that
just because OBRA is spending a lot of money doesn't mean it has a lot of
money. In fact it is just the other way around, of course. OBRA is, after
all, a non-profit so all the money that comes in also gets spent.

Although some people have indicated that they don't think that increasing
membership costs would adversely effect participation I would argue that the
evidence indicates otherwise. There is clearly an inverse relationship
between entry fees and participation. One of the reasons why there are many
more bike racers per capita in Oregon compared to the rest of the country is
because becoming a bike racer is cheaper. We should struggle to keep it
that way. Voluntary donations will help create more cash flow while not
effecting participation.

Mike Murray

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The thread started with a note bout how to save obra money by paying direct rather than through sign-me-up dot com or whatever.
the nerve indeed!
----- Original Message -----
From: Luciano bailey
To: mike.murray@obra.org ; 'obra'
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations

Let me be the first to say how totally amazed I am that someone might have the nerve to start a thread about costs with OBRA. This would skip over the fact that at many times OBRA is the the Murray's Candi and Mike that is. Funding events and equipment out of there own pockets never hesitating to do whatever is needed to make things happen. So before we slide down the slippery chat slope keep it real.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Murray
To: 'obra'
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations

Jay Rideout wrote:

"Candi,
I would not consider it unreasonable to add one-time surcharges to cover
specific capital cost, especially to meet those requirements that are
mandated by the State or local government. But they need to be very visible
so we, the membership, know where to point the finger (you figure out which
one)."

The costs that Candi listed are ongoing costs not specific one time capital
costs. The "crash worthy" signs that some counties are pushing for are 3
times as expensive as what we have been using but we need to buy new signs
regularly as signs are constantly lost, stolen, broken, etc. (I suspect that
the new signs will not only be more expensive but also less durable and more
of a PITA to transport but road use authorities are pushing our hand.)
Numbers are an annual cost and are always in the same range quoted. Our
liability insurance costs went up this year (almost entirely due to medical
claims for injuries). We will always need to purchase insurance. We hope
to control the cost of insurance by no longer processing routine injury
medical claims.

The bottom line is that if we needed to increase charges to cover these
expenses it would not be a one time deal. I also have to point out that the
costs that Candi listed are only some of the expenditures that OBRA has.
Nearly all are ongoing expenses since even purchase of race equipment, such
as road signs, is a continuing process. It should also be mentioned that
just because OBRA is spending a lot of money doesn't mean it has a lot of
money. In fact it is just the other way around, of course. OBRA is, after
all, a non-profit so all the money that comes in also gets spent.

Although some people have indicated that they don't think that increasing
membership costs would adversely effect participation I would argue that the
evidence indicates otherwise. There is clearly an inverse relationship
between entry fees and participation. One of the reasons why there are many
more bike racers per capita in Oregon compared to the rest of the country is
because becoming a bike racer is cheaper. We should struggle to keep it
that way. Voluntary donations will help create more cash flow while not
effecting participation.

Mike Murray

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Let me be the first to say how totally amazed I am that someone might have the nerve to start a thread about costs with OBRA. This would skip over the fact that at many times OBRA is the the Murray's Candi and Mike that is. Funding events and equipment out of there own pockets never hesitating to do whatever is needed to make things happen. So before we slide down the slippery chat slope keep it real.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Murray
To: 'obra'
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations

Jay Rideout wrote:

"Candi,
I would not consider it unreasonable to add one-time surcharges to cover
specific capital cost, especially to meet those requirements that are
mandated by the State or local government. But they need to be very visible
so we, the membership, know where to point the finger (you figure out which
one)."

The costs that Candi listed are ongoing costs not specific one time capital
costs. The "crash worthy" signs that some counties are pushing for are 3
times as expensive as what we have been using but we need to buy new signs
regularly as signs are constantly lost, stolen, broken, etc. (I suspect that
the new signs will not only be more expensive but also less durable and more
of a PITA to transport but road use authorities are pushing our hand.)
Numbers are an annual cost and are always in the same range quoted. Our
liability insurance costs went up this year (almost entirely due to medical
claims for injuries). We will always need to purchase insurance. We hope
to control the cost of insurance by no longer processing routine injury
medical claims.

The bottom line is that if we needed to increase charges to cover these
expenses it would not be a one time deal. I also have to point out that the
costs that Candi listed are only some of the expenditures that OBRA has.
Nearly all are ongoing expenses since even purchase of race equipment, such
as road signs, is a continuing process. It should also be mentioned that
just because OBRA is spending a lot of money doesn't mean it has a lot of
money. In fact it is just the other way around, of course. OBRA is, after
all, a non-profit so all the money that comes in also gets spent.

Although some people have indicated that they don't think that increasing
membership costs would adversely effect participation I would argue that the
evidence indicates otherwise. There is clearly an inverse relationship
between entry fees and participation. One of the reasons why there are many
more bike racers per capita in Oregon compared to the rest of the country is
because becoming a bike racer is cheaper. We should struggle to keep it
that way. Voluntary donations will help create more cash flow while not
effecting participation.

Mike Murray

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Jay Rideout wrote:

"Candi,
I would not consider it unreasonable to add one-time surcharges to cover
specific capital cost, especially to meet those requirements that are
mandated by the State or local government. But they need to be very visible
so we, the membership, know where to point the finger (you figure out which
one)."

The costs that Candi listed are ongoing costs not specific one time capital
costs. The "crash worthy" signs that some counties are pushing for are 3
times as expensive as what we have been using but we need to buy new signs
regularly as signs are constantly lost, stolen, broken, etc. (I suspect that
the new signs will not only be more expensive but also less durable and more
of a PITA to transport but road use authorities are pushing our hand.)
Numbers are an annual cost and are always in the same range quoted. Our
liability insurance costs went up this year (almost entirely due to medical
claims for injuries). We will always need to purchase insurance. We hope
to control the cost of insurance by no longer processing routine injury
medical claims.

The bottom line is that if we needed to increase charges to cover these
expenses it would not be a one time deal. I also have to point out that the
costs that Candi listed are only some of the expenditures that OBRA has.
Nearly all are ongoing expenses since even purchase of race equipment, such
as road signs, is a continuing process. It should also be mentioned that
just because OBRA is spending a lot of money doesn't mean it has a lot of
money. In fact it is just the other way around, of course. OBRA is, after
all, a non-profit so all the money that comes in also gets spent.

Although some people have indicated that they don't think that increasing
membership costs would adversely effect participation I would argue that the
evidence indicates otherwise. There is clearly an inverse relationship
between entry fees and participation. One of the reasons why there are many
more bike racers per capita in Oregon compared to the rest of the country is
because becoming a bike racer is cheaper. We should struggle to keep it
that way. Voluntary donations will help create more cash flow while not
effecting participation.

Mike Murray

Jay Rideout

Candi,
I would not consider it unreasonable to add one-time surcharges to cover specific capital cost, especially to meet those requirements that are mandated by the State or local government. But they need to be very visible so we, the membership, know where to point the finger (you figure out which one).

Unfortunately, the insurance increases will be ongoing so I don't think OBRA will have any choice but to increase the membership fee across the board.
Jay

----- Original Message ----
From: Rick Johnson
To: cmurray@obra.org
Cc: obra
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2007 1:17:25 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations

Candi,
You just told me all I need to know, thanks for stating the specifics of the costs OBRA is obligated to cover.
Also, since there has been no increase in membership fees for 5-10 years I think it's very reasonable to consider an increase. Looking back on all the things that have increased in cost over that period - some by tremendous amounts - I find it amazing that OBRA is even coming close to getting by on that amount. Wow!

If there is a concern over hindering participation then I'd support tiered pricing. For instance beginners, juniors, and/or students could enjoy a discount. The rest of us - with our thousands in hardware - should be very reasonably be able to afford another $5-10 a year to race it. With the majority of the membership being Masters aged I'd have a lot of trouble believing the cost of one decent lunch an undue burden.

My check is in the mail. OBRA is too good of an organization to have to beg for money.

Rick

Candi Murray wrote:
Somewhere between 5-10 years. It used to be $15
Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RCJohnson1@attglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:49 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations and Signmeup.com

Just out of curiosity -
How long has it been since there was an increase in the membership fee?

Rick

Candi Murray wrote:

Thanks for noticing that Todd, it was something that we had no control

over.

Speaking of the donation program. The number of people who have sent in
donations has dropped considerably.
I would really like to encourage everyone just to contribute at least $5.

We

have had some huge expenses that is really sticking it to our financial
bottom line
1. We have been required to replace our traffic signs with the new ODOT
specific ones - our cost for 60 signs is $14,000.
2. Our insurance premium went up 368 % and we were required to pay $11,000
in order for the policy to go in force for 2007.
3. Like always we have had to purchase the road and mtn bike numbers and
the total cost for that is over $20,000.

I really argued that we not increase our membership fees. I felt that it
would hinder participation. But if everyone gave $5 more then we would

raise

almost $15,000.
C

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Todd.Dye@CH2M.com
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:30 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations and Signmeup.com

Hey OBRAland,

I noticed today that if you do the online registration through
Signmeup.com and put in an OBRA donation the processing fee goes up.

Obviously, Signmeup.com is a business and need to take their cut to
cover expenses and profit, but if you're going to make a sizable
donation to OBRA and want to see all that money go to OBRA, you might
want to do it the old fashioned way with a check/letter.

The % that Signmeup charges decreases the more you pay. Playing around
with their site I came up with the following:

$10 donation = $1.65 charge
$100 donation = $7.50 charge
$500 donation = $33.00 charge
$1000 donation = $66.00 charge

-Todd

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:04 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 2007 road numbers

We have had 624 join for 2007 so far. As you know, we will hold your
2006 number until Jan 15, after that date we will issue numbers in
numerical order according to category. This will mean that there will be
no 300 numbers available after 1/15 and very few 500 numbers. If you
want to retain your 300 or 500 series number please join asap.
Candi

Ps Happy New Year, only 46 days until the first event

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I recommend an increase for 40+ riders. A "Senior Premium" Most of us are out of our struggling college/early family days. I know retirement looms, but I suspect as a group we can afford to subsidize some of the younger participants.

Ed Lanton

Todd.Dye@CH2M.com wrote:
Thanks Rick.

I was just going to respond, but you summed up my thoughts exactly. There are a few groups where membership fee increase could hinder participation, but honestly for the majority of us, a $5 increase (the cost of one tube) isn't going to make much difference.

I don't ever want to see OBRA go to the type of fee structure that USCF/NORBA has. Seriously, how much is it now to be able to race Road/mtb/track/cross under their umbrella? OBRA is one heck of a deal, and will remain so even with a $5 or more increase.

I think the donation option is a great start. If OBRA can generate enough donations to cover rising costs, that is great. If not, then we all know the answer.

However, I think keeping single day licenses the same would be a good idea to keep encouraging new participants who hopefully then become new OBRA members.

Does the OBRA Senior Citizen Discount kick in at age 35 or 40? (I know that was below the belt but I couldn't help myself)

-Todd

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Rick Johnson
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:17 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org
Cc: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations

Candi,
You just told me all I need to know, thanks for stating the specifics of the costs OBRA is obligated to cover.
Also, since there has been no increase in membership fees for 5-10 years I think it's very reasonable to consider an increase. Looking back on all the things that have increased in cost over that period - some by tremendous amounts - I find it amazing that OBRA is even coming close to getting by on that amount. Wow!

If there is a concern over hindering participation then I'd support tiered pricing. For instance beginners, juniors, and/or students could enjoy a discount. The rest of us - with our thousands in hardware - should be very reasonably be able to afford another $5-10 a year to race it. With the majority of the membership being Masters aged I'd have a lot of trouble believing the cost of one decent lunch an undue burden.

My check is in the mail. OBRA is too good of an organization to have to beg for money.

Rick

Candi Murray wrote:
Somewhere between 5-10 years. It used to be $15 Candi -----Original Message----- From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RCJohnson1@attglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:49 PM To: cmurray@obra.org Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations and Signmeup.com Just out of curiosity - How long has it been since there was an increase in the membership fee? Rick Candi Murray wrote:

Thanks for noticing that Todd, it was something that we had no control

over.

Speaking of the donation program. The number of people who have sent in donations has dropped considerably. I would really like to encourage everyone just to contribute at least $5.

We

have had some huge expenses that is really sticking it to our financial bottom line 1. We have been required to replace our traffic signs with the new ODOT specific ones - our cost for 60 signs is $14,000. 2. Our insurance premium went up 368 % and we were required to pay $11,000 in order for the policy to go in force for 2007. 3. Like always we have had to purchase the road and mtn bike numbers and the total cost for that is over $20,000. I really argued that we not increase our membership fees. I felt that it would hinder participation. But if everyone gave $5 more then we would

raise

almost $15,000. C -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Todd.Dye@CH2M.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:30 PM To: obra@list.obra.org Subject: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations and Signmeup.com Hey OBRAland, I noticed today that if you do the online registration through Signmeup.com and put in an OBRA donation the processing fee goes up. Obviously, Signmeup.com is a business and need to take their cut to cover expenses and profit, but if you're going to make a sizable donation to OBRA and want to see all that money go to OBRA, you might want to do it the old fashioned way with a check/letter. The % that Signmeup charges decreases the more you pay. Playing around with their site I came up with the following: $10 donation = $1.65 charge $100 donation = $7.50 charge $500 donation = $33.00 charge $1000 donation = $66.00 charge -Todd
-----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Candi Murray Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:04 PM To: obra@list.obra.org Subject: [OBRA Chat] 2007 road numbers We have had 624 join for 2007 so far. As you know, we will hold your 2006 number until Jan 15, after that date we will issue numbers in numerical order according to category. This will mean that there will be no 300 numbers available after 1/15 and very few 500 numbers. If you want to retain your 300 or 500 series number please join asap. Candi Ps Happy New Year, only 46 days until the first event _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe:
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Thanks Rick.

I was just going to respond, but you summed up my thoughts exactly.
There are a few groups where membership fee increase could hinder
participation, but honestly for the majority of us, a $5 increase (the
cost of one tube) isn't going to make much difference.

I don't ever want to see OBRA go to the type of fee structure that
USCF/NORBA has. Seriously, how much is it now to be able to race
Road/mtb/track/cross under their umbrella? OBRA is one heck of a deal,
and will remain so even with a $5 or more increase.

I think the donation option is a great start. If OBRA can generate
enough donations to cover rising costs, that is great. If not, then we
all know the answer.

However, I think keeping single day licenses the same would be a good
idea to keep encouraging new participants who hopefully then become new
OBRA members.

Does the OBRA Senior Citizen Discount kick in at age 35 or 40? (I
know that was below the belt but I couldn't help myself)

-Todd

________________________________

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Johnson
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:17 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org
Cc: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations

Candi,
You just told me all I need to know, thanks for stating the specifics of
the costs OBRA is obligated to cover.
Also, since there has been no increase in membership fees for 5-10 years
I think it's very reasonable to consider an increase. Looking back on
all the things that have increased in cost over that period - some by
tremendous amounts - I find it amazing that OBRA is even coming close to
getting by on that amount. Wow!

If there is a concern over hindering participation then I'd support
tiered pricing. For instance beginners, juniors, and/or students could
enjoy a discount. The rest of us - with our thousands in hardware -
should be very reasonably be able to afford another $5-10 a year to race
it. With the majority of the membership being Masters aged I'd have a
lot of trouble believing the cost of one decent lunch an undue burden.

My check is in the mail. OBRA is too good of an organization to have to
beg for money.

Rick

Candi Murray wrote:

Somewhere between 5-10 years. It used to be $15
Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RCJohnson1@attglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:49 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations and
Signmeup.com

Just out of curiosity -
How long has it been since there was an increase in the
membership fee?

Rick

Candi Murray wrote:

Thanks for noticing that Todd, it was something that we
had no control

over.

Speaking of the donation program. The number of people
who have sent in
donations has dropped considerably.
I would really like to encourage everyone just to
contribute at least $5.

We

have had some huge expenses that is really sticking it
to our financial
bottom line
1. We have been required to replace our traffic signs
with the new ODOT
specific ones - our cost for 60 signs is $14,000.
2. Our insurance premium went up 368 % and we were
required to pay $11,000
in order for the policy to go in force for 2007.
3. Like always we have had to purchase the road and mtn
bike numbers and
the total cost for that is over $20,000.

I really argued that we not increase our membership
fees. I felt that it
would hinder participation. But if everyone gave $5 more
then we would

raise

almost $15,000.
C

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Todd.Dye@CH2M.com
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:30 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations
and Signmeup.com


Hey OBRAland,

I noticed today that if you do the online registration
through
Signmeup.com and put in an OBRA donation the processing
fee goes up.

Obviously, Signmeup.com is a business and need to take
their cut to
cover expenses and profit, but if you're going to make a
sizable
donation to OBRA and want to see all that money go to
OBRA, you might
want to do it the old fashioned way with a check/letter.

The % that Signmeup charges decreases the more you pay.
Playing around
with their site I came up with the following:

$10 donation = $1.65 charge
$100 donation = $7.50 charge
$500 donation = $33.00 charge
$1000 donation = $66.00 charge


-Todd

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:04 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 2007 road numbers

We have had 624 join for 2007 so far. As you know, we
will hold your
2006 number until Jan 15, after that date we will issue
numbers in
numerical order according to category. This will mean
that there will be
no 300 numbers available after 1/15 and very few 500
numbers. If you
want to retain your 300 or 500 series number please join
asap.
Candi

Ps Happy New Year, only 46 days until the first event


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Candi,

You just told me all I need to know, thanks for stating the specifics
of the costs OBRA is obligated to cover.

Also, since there has been no increase in membership fees for 5-10
years I think it's very reasonable to consider an increase. Looking
back on all the things that have increased in cost over that period -
some by tremendous amounts - I find it amazing that OBRA is even coming
close to getting by on that amount. Wow!



If there is a concern over hindering participation then I'd support
tiered pricing. For instance beginners, juniors, and/or students could
enjoy a discount. The rest of us - with our thousands in hardware -
should be very reasonably be able to afford another $5-10 a year to
race it. With the majority of the membership being Masters aged I'd
have a lot of trouble believing the cost of one decent lunch an undue
burden.



My check is in the mail. OBRA is too good of an organization to have to
beg for money.



Rick





Candi Murray wrote:

Somewhere between 5-10 years. It used to be $15

Candi

-----Original Message-----

From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RCJohnson1@attglobal.net] 

Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:49 PM

To: cmurray@obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations and Signmeup.com

Just out of curiosity -

How long has it been since there was an increase in the membership fee?

Rick

Candi Murray wrote:

  

Thanks for noticing that Todd, it was something that we had no control

    

over.

  

Speaking of the donation program. The number of people who have sent in

donations has dropped considerably.

I would really like to encourage everyone just to contribute at least $5.

    

We

  

have had some huge expenses that is really sticking it to our financial

bottom line

1.  We have been required to replace our traffic signs with the new ODOT

specific ones - our cost for 60 signs is $14,000.

2.  Our insurance premium went up 368 % and we were required to pay $11,000

in order for the policy to go in force for 2007.

3.  Like always we have had to purchase the road and mtn bike numbers and

the total cost for that is over $20,000.

I really argued that we not increase our membership fees. I felt that it

would hinder participation. But if everyone gave $5 more then we would

    

raise

  

almost $15,000.

C

-----Original Message-----

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On

Behalf Of Todd.Dye@CH2M.com

Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:30 PM

To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: [OBRA Chat] 2007 OBRA Registration Donations and Signmeup.com

Hey OBRAland,

I noticed today that if you do the online registration through

Signmeup.com and put in an OBRA donation the processing fee goes up.

Obviously, Signmeup.com is a business and need to take their cut to

cover expenses and profit, but if you're going to make a sizable

donation to OBRA and want to see all that money go to OBRA, you might

want to do it the old fashioned way with a check/letter.

The % that Signmeup charges decreases the more you pay.  Playing around

with their site I came up with the following:

$10   donation  = $1.65  charge

$100  donation  = $7.50  charge

$500  donation  = $33.00 charge

$1000 donation  = $66.00 charge

-Todd

-----Original Message-----

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On

Behalf Of Candi Murray

Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:04 PM

To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: [OBRA Chat] 2007 road numbers

We have had 624 join for 2007 so far. As you know, we will hold your

2006 number until Jan 15, after that date we will issue numbers in

numerical order according to category. This will mean that there will be

no 300 numbers available after 1/15 and very few 500 numbers. If you

want to retain your 300 or 500 series number please join asap.

Candi

Ps Happy New Year, only 46 days until the first event

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