Jason Ford

Thank you to those who shared thier insite into running and how it effects
cycling performance.

thank you
-jason

>From: David Auker
>To: Jason Ford
>CC: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cycling and Running
>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:11:07 -0800
>
>Jason,
>
>Pardon me not emailing you "direct," but I think this could be of interest
>as a general discussion (we'll see!).
>
>I love running's "bang for the buck" time-wise and equipment-wise. When the
>weather is bitter, getting the "machine ready" (shoes, clothing) takes but
>a few minutes! And, the actual time exercising seems to be about 1/3 of the
>investment for a good ride. (I think it's funny hearing runners complain
>about bad weather...running is so easy to do in the cold and wet, compared
>to cycling! I mean, one part is when you get home, you might take your
>shoes off before walking on your nice floors, but coming in from a
>ride...whoa! there's some major "repair" to do, getting all the danged
>clothes off (not to mention the poor wet bike). But, I also love riding in
>bad weather...spice is the variety of life, and if you ever expect to race
>in inclement weather, you'd better be familiar with what it takes.)
>
>I don't think running itself will make a champion roadie, as there is no
>substitution for miles on the bike...even fixed-gear won't cut it if that
>is the exclusive mode. But, variety is probably a good thing, both
>physically and mentally...and the season is long enough to spend some harsh
>winter days cross-training.
>
>There is also the issue of health-science telling us that the impact of
>running on the bones is stimulating for calcium-retention.
>
>One thing I've found about running is the importance of breaking into it
>very gradually (from a cycling-only background). The fitness of cycling
>begs to be transferred into some immediate big run, but the body needs time
>to adjust. In my years of racing, when I'd turn to running in the
>off-season, I figured out this routine: at first, I'd go out and jog 5
>minutes, then wait a couple of days until the "new" aches vanished. Then
>another 5 minute session, with the same waiting period. After you find
>there is no hurt the next day, you are ready to take on a lot more, with
>the chance of injury greatly diminished.
>
>David
>
>Jason Ford wrote:
>>I have a question. This winter I have done some running as cross training,
>>primarily to maintain my weight during the holiday season and those dark
>>days of winter. I wonder if any one has information on how running affects
>>a cyclists performance if they continue to run threw out the racing
>>season? I don?t know if it helps or hinders cycling.
>>
>>any one with expiernce in this area? thanks.
>>
>>email me direct at bikeraceguy@hotmail.com
>>
>
>

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of John Knotts
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:03 AM
To: David Auker
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cycling and Running

yea, I second that. now that I have kids, I don't train nearly as much, but
in the winter if I get an hour, aerobically I accomplish way more on an hour
run than I do an hour on the bike. for me it works great I just have to do
enough time on the bike to keep my power up and my spin smooth.

that said, ease into it a bit. it'll take a while for the legs to adjust.
you might have heard stories about pros who get sore just running to catch a
plane!

On 1/10/07, David Auker wrote:

Jason,

Pardon me not emailing you "direct," but I think this could be of
interest as a general discussion (we'll see!).

I love running's "bang for the buck" time-wise and equipment-wise. When
the weather is bitter, getting the "machine ready" (shoes, clothing)
takes but a few minutes! And, the actual time exercising seems to be
about 1/3 of the investment for a good ride. (I think it's funny hearing
runners complain about bad weather...running is so easy to do in the
cold and wet, compared to cycling! I mean, one part is when you get
home, you might take your shoes off before walking on your nice floors,
but coming in from a ride...whoa! there's some major "repair" to do,
getting all the danged clothes off (not to mention the poor wet bike).
But, I also love riding in bad weather...spice is the variety of life,
and if you ever expect to race in inclement weather, you'd better be
familiar with what it takes.)

I don't think running itself will make a champion roadie, as there is no
substitution for miles on the bike...even fixed-gear won't cut it if
that is the exclusive mode. But, variety is probably a good thing, both
physically and mentally...and the season is long enough to spend some
harsh winter days cross-training.

There is also the issue of health-science telling us that the impact of
running on the bones is stimulating for calcium-retention.

One thing I've found about running is the importance of breaking into it
very gradually (from a cycling-only background). The fitness of cycling
begs to be transferred into some immediate big run, but the body needs
time to adjust. In my years of racing, when I'd turn to running in the
off-season, I figured out this routine: at first, I'd go out and jog 5
minutes, then wait a couple of days until the "new" aches vanished. Then
another 5 minute session, with the same waiting period. After you find
there is no hurt the next day, you are ready to take on a lot more, with
the chance of injury greatly diminished.

David

Jason Ford wrote:
> I have a question. This winter I have done some running as cross
> training, primarily to maintain my weight during the holiday season
> and those dark days of winter. I wonder if any one has information on
> how running affects a cyclists performance if they continue to run
> threw out the racing season? I don't know if it helps or hinders cycling.
>
> any one with expiernce in this area? thanks.
>
> email me direct at bikeraceguy@hotmail.com
>

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yea, I second that. now that I have kids, I don't train nearly as much, but
in the winter if I get an hour, aerobically I accomplish way more on an hour
run than I do an hour on the bike. for me it works great I just have to do
enough time on the bike to keep my power up and my spin smooth.

that said, ease into it a bit. it'll take a while for the legs to adjust.
you might have heard stories about pros who get sore just running to catch a
plane!

On 1/10/07, David Auker wrote:
>
> Jason,
>
> Pardon me not emailing you "direct," but I think this could be of
> interest as a general discussion (we'll see!).
>
> I love running's "bang for the buck" time-wise and equipment-wise. When
> the weather is bitter, getting the "machine ready" (shoes, clothing)
> takes but a few minutes! And, the actual time exercising seems to be
> about 1/3 of the investment for a good ride. (I think it's funny hearing
> runners complain about bad weather...running is so easy to do in the
> cold and wet, compared to cycling! I mean, one part is when you get
> home, you might take your shoes off before walking on your nice floors,
> but coming in from a ride...whoa! there's some major "repair" to do,
> getting all the danged clothes off (not to mention the poor wet bike).
> But, I also love riding in bad weather...spice is the variety of life,
> and if you ever expect to race in inclement weather, you'd better be
> familiar with what it takes.)
>
> I don't think running itself will make a champion roadie, as there is no
> substitution for miles on the bike...even fixed-gear won't cut it if
> that is the exclusive mode. But, variety is probably a good thing, both
> physically and mentally...and the season is long enough to spend some
> harsh winter days cross-training.
>
> There is also the issue of health-science telling us that the impact of
> running on the bones is stimulating for calcium-retention.
>
> One thing I've found about running is the importance of breaking into it
> very gradually (from a cycling-only background). The fitness of cycling
> begs to be transferred into some immediate big run, but the body needs
> time to adjust. In my years of racing, when I'd turn to running in the
> off-season, I figured out this routine: at first, I'd go out and jog 5
> minutes, then wait a couple of days until the "new" aches vanished. Then
> another 5 minute session, with the same waiting period. After you find
> there is no hurt the next day, you are ready to take on a lot more, with
> the chance of injury greatly diminished.
>
> David
>
> Jason Ford wrote:
> > I have a question. This winter I have done some running as cross
> > training, primarily to maintain my weight during the holiday season
> > and those dark days of winter. I wonder if any one has information on
> > how running affects a cyclists performance if they continue to run
> > threw out the racing season? I don't know if it helps or hinders
> cycling.
> >
> > any one with expiernce in this area? thanks.
> >
> > email me direct at bikeraceguy@hotmail.com
> >
>
>
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Jason,

Pardon me not emailing you "direct," but I think this could be of
interest as a general discussion (we'll see!).

I love running's "bang for the buck" time-wise and equipment-wise. When
the weather is bitter, getting the "machine ready" (shoes, clothing)
takes but a few minutes! And, the actual time exercising seems to be
about 1/3 of the investment for a good ride. (I think it's funny hearing
runners complain about bad weather...running is so easy to do in the
cold and wet, compared to cycling! I mean, one part is when you get
home, you might take your shoes off before walking on your nice floors,
but coming in from a ride...whoa! there's some major "repair" to do,
getting all the danged clothes off (not to mention the poor wet bike).
But, I also love riding in bad weather...spice is the variety of life,
and if you ever expect to race in inclement weather, you'd better be
familiar with what it takes.)

I don't think running itself will make a champion roadie, as there is no
substitution for miles on the bike...even fixed-gear won't cut it if
that is the exclusive mode. But, variety is probably a good thing, both
physically and mentally...and the season is long enough to spend some
harsh winter days cross-training.

There is also the issue of health-science telling us that the impact of
running on the bones is stimulating for calcium-retention.

One thing I've found about running is the importance of breaking into it
very gradually (from a cycling-only background). The fitness of cycling
begs to be transferred into some immediate big run, but the body needs
time to adjust. In my years of racing, when I'd turn to running in the
off-season, I figured out this routine: at first, I'd go out and jog 5
minutes, then wait a couple of days until the "new" aches vanished. Then
another 5 minute session, with the same waiting period. After you find
there is no hurt the next day, you are ready to take on a lot more, with
the chance of injury greatly diminished.

David

Jason Ford wrote:
> I have a question. This winter I have done some running as cross
> training, primarily to maintain my weight during the holiday season
> and those dark days of winter. I wonder if any one has information on
> how running affects a cyclists performance if they continue to run
> threw out the racing season? I don’t know if it helps or hinders cycling.
>
> any one with expiernce in this area? thanks.
>
> email me direct at bikeraceguy@hotmail.com
>

Jason Ford

I have a question. This winter I have done some running as cross training,
primarily to maintain my weight during the holiday season and those dark
days of winter. I wonder if any one has information on how running affects a
cyclists performance if they continue to run threw out the racing season? I
don?t know if it helps or hinders cycling.

any one with expiernce in this area? thanks.

email me direct at bikeraceguy@hotmail.com

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