Candi Murray

Randy has a good point. We had a lot of dissension among th 50s on what
distance to race. So much that was one of the reasons that the class was
dropped.
C

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Dreiling
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:16 PM
To: Ron and Dorothy Strasser; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [OBRA Chat] 50+ Mtn Bike Class

Yeah OBRA is a great deal norba is like $80 and that
gets you just your mt bike pass...you have to then buy
a seperate cross and road...pass

As far as race classes we offer a sport 50+ in our
series...I handed over the "Oregon Series" this year
to Mike Ripley,so he makes the calls for that series
in the end now. Another issue to be honest with 45+
or 50+ expert is disagreement amoung the racers
themselves...1/2 want to race sport course and half
expert course and you each are very passionate about
it :)...some say it is not a race unless you do the
expert distance and have say sport course is ok, but
they would beat the sports riders...in other words for
them it is more about the class then the
distance...just the feed back I've been given the last
10 years of promoting.

Take Care
--- Ron and Dorothy Strasser
wrote:

> I am very much with you on this Steve. When I am in
> a 40+ field at a cross country course... i just go
> do the ride (at racing age of 58 I am giving up a
> number of years and mega-change in what I can get
> out of this aged to perfection body) I feel
> somewhat competitive with a 50+ field. In the end
> if all I end up doing is "the ride"... I can do that
> for free without obra. I personally think we old
> guys count too! I also enjoy the social aspect of
> racing. Come on promoters/OBRA... ribbons and or a
> Cliff bar to the first three places... do what you
> can to make it happen. Just remember... one day you
> will wake up and be over 50.
>
> On another note... I think if you raised the yearly
> membership to say 30 dollars you would have very
> little drop off of membership (I would believe that
> 95% of OBRA members would still think 30 bucks is a
> killer deal for a years worth of top quality
> racing). Leave the junior membership CHEAP.
> Ol' ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Lacey
> To: Obra List serve
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:05 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] 50+ Mtn Bike Class
>
>
> I am hoping this email that I sent to Mike Ripley
> last fall will stimulate some dialogue about
> mountain bike promoters offering a 50+ open class
> and bring action at the OBRA Annual Meeting coming
> up next week. Comments please!
>
> For what its worth, after talking to a lot of
> master racers, I am
> > convinced more and more master riders are giving
> up racing because
> > the OBRA race promoters are not consistently
> offering classes that
> > attract these riders. A good formula that
> appears to work is the Cross
> > Crusade format that has a 50+ open class.
> >
> > Currently depending on the venue we are racing
> in 40+ class sport and
> > expert class or in some cases a 50+ sport class
> with only a 40+ expert
> > caetgory. I am a 50+ expert racer with excellent
> technical skills but
> > not enough time to reach a level of fitness (if
> even possible) to be
> > competitive in the 40 + class. At least last
> year it was 45+ which
> > helped but still didn't address the longer and
> usually harder (climbs)
> > courses.
> >
> > I suggest an open 50+ class raced with the sport
> category, which
> > offers a course length that is fun and can be
> raced by older racers
> > rather than endured. I know from rider
> comments that promoters will
> > see a number of master riders return to racing
> by offering this type
> > of class.
> >
>
>
>
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Evan Plews

Just to weigh in: as a 30 year old looking on, I have the upmost respect for
the "REAL" masters. By "real" masters I mean those in their 40s and beyond.
I think it is awesome that you guys and gals are out racing your bikes when
life has so many other responsibilities, obligations, and distractions!

In fact, I owe getting started in cycling to REAL masters riders. To them I
will be forever indebted.

For the rest of you late thirty-somethings who insist on the need to have
35+ "masters" categories and actually race in them: suck it up, pick on
people your own age (or younger) and keep the masters status reserved for
age graded categories at Nationals and masters Worlds.

I can hardly believe that all season long there are "masters" 35, 36, 37...
laying waste to those in their late forties. Have some respect for elders
and be glad guys like Shannon and Jonathon have some. Otherwise you would
all be fighting for tenth place anyway!

To the REAL masters: cheers and keep up the good work.

To the wanna be "masters": do your time and remember grand tours and
classics have been won in the late thirties.

Oh, did anyone catch the headline: Vervecken is world champ?! (35 racing
age)

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Trask River Wood Works"
To: "Murray Candi P" ,
,"Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: 50+ Mtn Bike Class
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:03:49 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)

You know Ron I been thinking about the racing the PIR short track series. So
when I checked out the catetogoies and the results I see you racing geared
and ss then kicking butt on the youngsters. Perhaps you should be the
exception to any new categories. You know like your "Grandfathered" into
racing against the 40 somethings.
-Ike
-------Original Message-------

From: Ron and Dorothy Strasser
Date: 01/28/07 14:07:54
To: Murray, Candi P; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: 50+ Mtn Bike Class

OK promoters! All of the "mature" OBRA members have not been transformed
into Soylent Green yet. Give us a cat!!! Yes Ike. I am moving in your
direction. Hold on! Sixty here I come. I would like to thank Portland
Racing for including a 50+ cat in the new Horning's Hustle race in March.
They area just so full of LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Murray, Candi P"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:46 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: 50+ Mtn Bike Class

>
>
> I hear what you are saying. this is not an obra issue, it is a race
> organizer issue. You need to petition those individuals to have the
> classes.
> Candi
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org on behalf of Trask River Wood Works
> Sent: Sun 1/28/2007 8:39 AM
> To: Obra List serve; Steve Lacey
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 50+ Mtn Bike Class
>
>
> I agree with Steve on this issue. While we are on the subject we need to
> consider a Masters 60+ category for Cyclocross, it won't be long before
> there's going to be a lot of talent in that (there are some great riders
> there now) age group.
> Ike Kendrick
> Planning for the future
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Steve Lacey
> Date: 01/27/07 20:05:29
> To: Obra List serve
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] 50+ Mtn Bike Class
>
> I am hoping this email that I sent to Mike Ripley last fall will
> stimulate some dialogue about mountain bike promoters offering a 50+ open
> class and bring action at the OBRA Annual Meeting coming up next week.
> Comments please!
>
> For what its worth, after talking to a lot of master racers, I am
>> convinced more and more master riders are giving up racing because
>> the OBRA race promoters are not consistently offering classes that
>> attract these riders. A good formula that appears to work is the Cross
>> Crusade format that has a 50+ open class.
>>
>> Currently depending on the venue we are racing in 40+ class sport and
>> expert class or in some cases a 50+ sport class with only a 40+ expert
>> caetgory. I am a 50+ expert racer with excellent technical skills but
>> not enough time to reach a level of fitness (if even possible) to be
>> competitive in the 40 + class. At least last year it was 45+ which
>> helped but still didn't address the longer and usually harder (climbs)
>> courses.
>>
>> I suggest an open 50+ class raced with the sport category, which
>> offers a course length that is fun and can be raced by older racers
>> rather than endured. I know from rider comments that promoters will
>> see a number of master riders return to racing by offering this type
>> of class.
>>
>
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Yeah OBRA is a great deal norba is like $80 and that
gets you just your mt bike pass...you have to then buy
a seperate cross and road...pass

As far as race classes we offer a sport 50+ in our
series...I handed over the "Oregon Series" this year
to Mike Ripley,so he makes the calls for that series
in the end now. Another issue to be honest with 45+
or 50+ expert is disagreement amoung the racers
themselves...1/2 want to race sport course and half
expert course and you each are very passionate about
it :)...some say it is not a race unless you do the
expert distance and have say sport course is ok, but
they would beat the sports riders...in other words for
them it is more about the class then the
distance...just the feed back I've been given the last
10 years of promoting.

Take Care
--- Ron and Dorothy Strasser
wrote:

> I am very much with you on this Steve. When I am in
> a 40+ field at a cross country course... i just go
> do the ride (at racing age of 58 I am giving up a
> number of years and mega-change in what I can get
> out of this aged to perfection body) I feel
> somewhat competitive with a 50+ field. In the end
> if all I end up doing is "the ride"... I can do that
> for free without obra. I personally think we old
> guys count too! I also enjoy the social aspect of
> racing. Come on promoters/OBRA... ribbons and or a
> Cliff bar to the first three places... do what you
> can to make it happen. Just remember... one day you
> will wake up and be over 50.
>
> On another note... I think if you raised the yearly
> membership to say 30 dollars you would have very
> little drop off of membership (I would believe that
> 95% of OBRA members would still think 30 bucks is a
> killer deal for a years worth of top quality
> racing). Leave the junior membership CHEAP.
> Ol' ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Lacey
> To: Obra List serve
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:05 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] 50+ Mtn Bike Class
>
>
> I am hoping this email that I sent to Mike Ripley
> last fall will stimulate some dialogue about
> mountain bike promoters offering a 50+ open class
> and bring action at the OBRA Annual Meeting coming
> up next week. Comments please!
>
> For what its worth, after talking to a lot of
> master racers, I am
> > convinced more and more master riders are giving
> up racing because
> > the OBRA race promoters are not consistently
> offering classes that
> > attract these riders. A good formula that
> appears to work is the Cross
> > Crusade format that has a 50+ open class.
> >
> > Currently depending on the venue we are racing
> in 40+ class sport and
> > expert class or in some cases a 50+ sport class
> with only a 40+ expert
> > caetgory. I am a 50+ expert racer with excellent
> technical skills but
> > not enough time to reach a level of fitness (if
> even possible) to be
> > competitive in the 40 + class. At least last
> year it was 45+ which
> > helped but still didn't address the longer and
> usually harder (climbs)
> > courses.
> >
> > I suggest an open 50+ class raced with the sport
> category, which
> > offers a course length that is fun and can be
> raced by older racers
> > rather than endured. I know from rider
> comments that promoters will
> > see a number of master riders return to racing
> by offering this type
> > of class.
> >
>
>
>
>
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

I am very much with you on this Steve. When I am in a 40+ field at a cross country course... i just go do the ride (at racing age of 58 I am giving up a number of years and mega-change in what I can get out of this aged to perfection body) I feel somewhat competitive with a 50+ field. In the end if all I end up doing is "the ride"... I can do that for free without obra. I personally think we old guys count too! I also enjoy the social aspect of racing. Come on promoters/OBRA... ribbons and or a Cliff bar to the first three places... do what you can to make it happen. Just remember... one day you will wake up and be over 50.

On another note... I think if you raised the yearly membership to say 30 dollars you would have very little drop off of membership (I would believe that 95% of OBRA members would still think 30 bucks is a killer deal for a years worth of top quality racing). Leave the junior membership CHEAP.
Ol' ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Lacey
To: Obra List serve
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 50+ Mtn Bike Class

I am hoping this email that I sent to Mike Ripley last fall will stimulate some dialogue about mountain bike promoters offering a 50+ open class and bring action at the OBRA Annual Meeting coming up next week. Comments please!

For what its worth, after talking to a lot of master racers, I am
> convinced more and more master riders are giving up racing because
> the OBRA race promoters are not consistently offering classes that
> attract these riders. A good formula that appears to work is the Cross
> Crusade format that has a 50+ open class.
>
> Currently depending on the venue we are racing in 40+ class sport and
> expert class or in some cases a 50+ sport class with only a 40+ expert
> caetgory. I am a 50+ expert racer with excellent technical skills but
> not enough time to reach a level of fitness (if even possible) to be
> competitive in the 40 + class. At least last year it was 45+ which
> helped but still didn't address the longer and usually harder (climbs)
> courses.
>
> I suggest an open 50+ class raced with the sport category, which
> offers a course length that is fun and can be raced by older racers
> rather than endured. I know from rider comments that promoters will
> see a number of master riders return to racing by offering this type
> of class.
>

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Pam Reid

How about adding a 45+ or 50+ for women masters in cyclocross. We had record turnout this year in the women master field.

Trask River Wood Works wrote: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 4.0 ; I agree with Steve on this issue. While we are on the subject we need to consider a Masters 60+ category for Cyclocross, it won't be long before there's going to be a lot of talent in that (there are some great riders there now) age group.
Ike Kendrick
Planning for the future


-------Original Message-------

From: Steve Lacey
Date: 01/27/07 20:05:29
To: Obra List serve
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 50+ Mtn Bike Class

I am hoping this email that I sent to Mike Ripley last fall will stimulate some dialogue about mountain bike promoters offering a 50+ open class and bring action at the OBRA Annual Meeting coming up next week. Comments please!

For what its worth, after talking to a lot of master racers, I am
> convinced more and more master riders are giving up racing because
> the OBRA race promoters are not consistently offering classes that
> attract these riders. A good formula that appears to work is the Cross
> Crusade format that has a 50+ open class.
>
> Currently depending on the venue we are racing in 40+ class sport and
> expert class or in some cases a 50+ sport class with only a 40+ expert
> caetgory. I am a 50+ expert racer with excellent technical skills but
> not enough time to reach a level of fitness (if even possible) to be
> competitive in the 40 + class. At least last year it was 45+ which
> helped but still didn't address the longer and usually harder (climbs)
> courses.
>
> I suggest an open 50+ class raced with the sport category, which
> offers a course length that is fun and can be raced by older racers
> rather than endured. I know from rider comments that promoters will
> see a number of master riders return to racing by offering this type
> of class.
>

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I agree with Steve on this issue. While we are on the subject we need to
consider a Masters 60+ category for Cyclocross, it won't be long before
there's going to be a lot of talent in that (there are some great riders
there now) age group.
Ike Kendrick
Planning for the future


-------Original Message-------

From: Steve Lacey
Date: 01/27/07 20:05:29
To: Obra List serve
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 50+ Mtn Bike Class

I am hoping this email that I sent to Mike Ripley last fall will stimulate
some dialogue about mountain bike promoters offering a 50+ open class and
bring action at the OBRA Annual Meeting coming up next week. Comments
please!

For what its worth, after talking to a lot of master racers, I am
> convinced more and more master riders are giving up racing because
> the OBRA race promoters are not consistently offering classes that
> attract these riders. A good formula that appears to work is the Cross
> Crusade format that has a 50+ open class.
>
> Currently depending on the venue we are racing in 40+ class sport and
> expert class or in some cases a 50+ sport class with only a 40+ expert
> caetgory. I am a 50+ expert racer with excellent technical skills but
> not enough time to reach a level of fitness (if even possible) to be
> competitive in the 40 + class. At least last year it was 45+ which
> helped but still didn't address the longer and usually harder (climbs)
> courses.
>
> I suggest an open 50+ class raced with the sport category, which
> offers a course length that is fun and can be raced by older racers
> rather than endured. I know from rider comments that promoters will
> see a number of master riders return to racing by offering this type
> of class.
>

Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real
people who know.

Steve Lacey

I am hoping this email that I sent to Mike Ripley last fall will stimulate some dialogue about mountain bike promoters offering a 50+ open class and bring action at the OBRA Annual Meeting coming up next week. Comments please!

For what its worth, after talking to a lot of master racers, I am
> convinced more and more master riders are giving up racing because
> the OBRA race promoters are not consistently offering classes that
> attract these riders. A good formula that appears to work is the Cross
> Crusade format that has a 50+ open class.
>
> Currently depending on the venue we are racing in 40+ class sport and
> expert class or in some cases a 50+ sport class with only a 40+ expert
> caetgory. I am a 50+ expert racer with excellent technical skills but
> not enough time to reach a level of fitness (if even possible) to be
> competitive in the 40 + class. At least last year it was 45+ which
> helped but still didn't address the longer and usually harder (climbs)
> courses.
>
> I suggest an open 50+ class raced with the sport category, which
> offers a course length that is fun and can be raced by older racers
> rather than endured. I know from rider comments that promoters will
> see a number of master riders return to racing by offering this type
> of class.
>

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