Mike Murray

Brian Mack wrote:
"I think that Erik's complaint was not that the numbers themselves are
too big, but that the huge chunk of spandex they are printed on is. Can
we get ride of some of the extra material?

My number has more than 2 inches of white space on all four sides. So
it's about 4.5 inches taller and wider than it needs to be. Which means
that why I put it on my jersey, it gets in my armpits and I can't use my
back pockets. It's impossible to pin it on correctly. It's also very
unattractive.

I suspect it's too late to get different numbers for 2007. Scissors?"

And Ron Strasser wrote:
"Fold it when you pin it on."

I would not suggest that. Here is the rule:
"10. - NUMBERS
...
10.3 - No rider shall cut, fold, mutilate, trim or apply stickers to the
race number, nor shall they sell, trade or give the issued number to another
individual. Penalty or disqualification is at the discretion of the Race
Official."

I find the numbers think a bit funny. I am smaller than just about
everybody but I can still get the numbers on OK. How come it is an issue
for bigger people with more "real estate" to pin it to?

Mike Murray

Jesse J. Finch Gnehm

That inch you propose cutting off is where the River City Bicycles'
logos are. While I appreciate wanting less flapping on your back, we've
got to take care of the sponsors that help underwrite OBRA. As great as
the folks at River City are, I doubt they'd be so generous in their
support without that piece of visibility.
-Jesse

Jesse J. Finch Gnehm ‘99
Director of Parent Giving
Willamette University
503-375-5319
503-602-2307 cell

Erik Voldengen wrote:
> Negative space is definitely required to see the numbers, but the "padding"
> outside the numbers is not all negative space. I could cut off 1 inch all
> the way around and it would be just as easy to read...
>
> And we're not talking about breaking the rules, we're talking about changing
> them...well, changing the numbers anyway.
>
> -Erik
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:02 PM
> To: cmurray@obra.org
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] number sizes
>
> Right! put a plastic card on the front and call it good. That would never
> work I know! I know!
> I understand the contrast thing as I did graphic design for a few years so I
>
> stand corrected... but also I am a pretty small guy (5'8") and had no
> problem fitting the number on my jersey at the cross races in Eugene this
> fall. They do not seem that large. I think my fold idea was just a guy
> thing... "trying to solve the problem"... maybe he really just wanted
> someone to "listen"... not solve the problem. I have given enough bad
> advice for the day. I be done!
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Candi Murray"
> To: "'Ron and Dorothy Strasser'"
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] number sizes
>
>
>
>> You can tell you are a mtn bike guy. ;-)
>> Folding a number is against the rules.
>> Candi
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:20 PM
>> To: Brian Mack; obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] number sizes
>>
>> Fold it when you pin it on.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian Mack"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] number sizes
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I think that Erik's complaint was not that the numbers themselves are
>>> too big, but that the huge chunk of spandex they are printed on is. Can
>>> we get ride of some of the extra material?
>>>
>>> My number has more than 2 inches of white space on all four sides. So
>>> it's about 4.5 inches taller and wider than it needs to be. Which means
>>> that why I put it on my jersey, it gets in my armpits and I can't use my
>>> back pockets. It's impossible to pin it on correctly. It's also very
>>> unattractive.
>>>
>>> I suspect it's too late to get different numbers for 2007. Scissors?
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian Mack
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Erik Voldengen

Negative space is definitely required to see the numbers, but the "padding"
outside the numbers is not all negative space. I could cut off 1 inch all
the way around and it would be just as easy to read...

And we're not talking about breaking the rules, we're talking about changing
them...well, changing the numbers anyway.

-Erik

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:02 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] number sizes

Right! put a plastic card on the front and call it good. That would never
work I know! I know!
I understand the contrast thing as I did graphic design for a few years so I

stand corrected... but also I am a pretty small guy (5'8") and had no
problem fitting the number on my jersey at the cross races in Eugene this
fall. They do not seem that large. I think my fold idea was just a guy
thing... "trying to solve the problem"... maybe he really just wanted
someone to "listen"... not solve the problem. I have given enough bad
advice for the day. I be done!
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Candi Murray"
To: "'Ron and Dorothy Strasser'"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] number sizes

> You can tell you are a mtn bike guy. ;-)
> Folding a number is against the rules.
> Candi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:20 PM
> To: Brian Mack; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] number sizes
>
> Fold it when you pin it on.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Mack"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] number sizes
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that Erik's complaint was not that the numbers themselves are
>> too big, but that the huge chunk of spandex they are printed on is. Can
>> we get ride of some of the extra material?
>>
>> My number has more than 2 inches of white space on all four sides. So
>> it's about 4.5 inches taller and wider than it needs to be. Which means
>> that why I put it on my jersey, it gets in my armpits and I can't use my
>> back pockets. It's impossible to pin it on correctly. It's also very
>> unattractive.
>>
>> I suspect it's too late to get different numbers for 2007. Scissors?
>>
>>
>> Brian Mack
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

Right! put a plastic card on the front and call it good. That would never
work I know! I know!
I understand the contrast thing as I did graphic design for a few years so I
stand corrected... but also I am a pretty small guy (5'8") and had no
problem fitting the number on my jersey at the cross races in Eugene this
fall. They do not seem that large. I think my fold idea was just a guy
thing... "trying to solve the problem"... maybe he really just wanted
someone to "listen"... not solve the problem. I have given enough bad
advice for the day. I be done!
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Candi Murray"
To: "'Ron and Dorothy Strasser'"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] number sizes

> You can tell you are a mtn bike guy. ;-)
> Folding a number is against the rules.
> Candi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:20 PM
> To: Brian Mack; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] number sizes
>
> Fold it when you pin it on.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Mack"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] number sizes
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that Erik's complaint was not that the numbers themselves are
>> too big, but that the huge chunk of spandex they are printed on is. Can
>> we get ride of some of the extra material?
>>
>> My number has more than 2 inches of white space on all four sides. So
>> it's about 4.5 inches taller and wider than it needs to be. Which means
>> that why I put it on my jersey, it gets in my armpits and I can't use my
>> back pockets. It's impossible to pin it on correctly. It's also very
>> unattractive.
>>
>> I suspect it's too late to get different numbers for 2007. Scissors?
>>
>>
>> Brian Mack
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
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Candi Murray

You can tell you are a mtn bike guy. ;-)
Folding a number is against the rules.
Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:20 PM
To: Brian Mack; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] number sizes

Fold it when you pin it on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Mack"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] number sizes

>
>
>
> I think that Erik's complaint was not that the numbers themselves are
> too big, but that the huge chunk of spandex they are printed on is. Can
> we get ride of some of the extra material?
>
> My number has more than 2 inches of white space on all four sides. So
> it's about 4.5 inches taller and wider than it needs to be. Which means
> that why I put it on my jersey, it gets in my armpits and I can't use my
> back pockets. It's impossible to pin it on correctly. It's also very
> unattractive.
>
> I suspect it's too late to get different numbers for 2007. Scissors?
>
>
> Brian Mack
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> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

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Fold it when you pin it on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Mack"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] number sizes

>
>
>
> I think that Erik's complaint was not that the numbers themselves are
> too big, but that the huge chunk of spandex they are printed on is. Can
> we get ride of some of the extra material?
>
> My number has more than 2 inches of white space on all four sides. So
> it's about 4.5 inches taller and wider than it needs to be. Which means
> that why I put it on my jersey, it gets in my armpits and I can't use my
> back pockets. It's impossible to pin it on correctly. It's also very
> unattractive.
>
> I suspect it's too late to get different numbers for 2007. Scissors?
>
>
> Brian Mack
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

comotionclassic@comcast.net

I have been told by the judges, that the white space around the numbers make it easier to read them at the finish. That is the point of having a number, so the judges know who you are.

Sal Collura
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association

Brian Mack

I think that Erik's complaint was not that the numbers themselves are
too big, but that the huge chunk of spandex they are printed on is. Can
we get ride of some of the extra material?

My number has more than 2 inches of white space on all four sides. So
it's about 4.5 inches taller and wider than it needs to be. Which means
that why I put it on my jersey, it gets in my armpits and I can't use my
back pockets. It's impossible to pin it on correctly. It's also very
unattractive.

I suspect it's too late to get different numbers for 2007. Scissors?

Brian Mack