Quenton Conant
maybe it would be cheaper to go at it all secret agent style. Fix the more
expensive objects with gps finders, so that you can locate them within a few
yards of where they reside. It may not be cost effective, and I'm not sure
if such things exist on the consumer market affordably, but IMHO a hundred
extra dollars to save an $800 sign would be worth it.
dunno, just my 2cents.
PEAS!
Quenton
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> 1. Re: Signs as souvenirs (bcr123@comcast.net)
> 2. FS: 06 Javelin Barolo...more info: (Emily Martini)
> 3. Bike and other stuff for sale (Doug Ollerenshaw)
> 4. FS TT Stuff (Jude and David Russell)
> 5. Tim Rich contact me (Jude and David Russell)
> 6. Cherry Pie lost coffee mug (Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis))
> 7. FS: NIB FSA K-Force Mega Exo 172.5 Cranks (Gordon Cumming)
> 8. Re: Omer Kem (david baker)
> 9. Eric Christiansen (J.Michael Manning)
> 10. Re: Omer Kem (Keith A. Prior)
> 11. Re: Signs as souvenirs (mike.murray@obra.org)
> 12. Re: Omer Kem (T. Kenji Sugahara)
> 13. Cherry Pie - Another set of photos (Tim Ehlers)
> 14. Wanted: wind trainer (kennettp@comcast.net)
> 15. Pink Santacruz Superlight (Camille Hook)
> 16. raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up. (uzideth@gmail.com)
> 17. Re: raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up. (Erik Voldengen)
> 18. Re: raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up. (Ted)
> 19. Question about Mary's Peak (P Kudszus)
> 20. Re: raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up. (EAL)
> 21. FS: 49cm Lemond (Kurt Ward)
> 22. Re: raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up. (gschreckchat@comcast.net)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:09:24 +0000
> From: bcr123@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Signs as souvenirs
> To: obra@list.obra.org
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> Maybe they can be tethered to something (signpost, electrical pole...)
> with a cable or come with a spike that can be driven into the roadside
> gravel to make them at least a little harder to steal.
>
>
> --
> Brandon Reed
> bcr123@comcast.net
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Rick Johnson
> Maybe we should rig the signs with exploding die packs like they use in
> bank robberies...
> :-)
>
> Rick
>
>
> Robert Nobles wrote:
> (assuming they're not on foot, riding a bike or airborne)
>
> Kids on skateboards stole a sign from the Silverton Crit course a few
> years ago. You never know!
>
> "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)" wrote:
> Just wanted to let you folks know that we had two signs disappear from
> the road side at this weekend's Cherry Pie. At Independence and Ryals,
> one sign went away, and the sign crew put up another. It, too,
> disappeared.
>
> If you see anyone removing signs, please get a plate number and vehicle
> description (assuming they're not on foot, riding a bike or airborne).
>
> The sexy fabric "Bike Event Ahead" signs run $400-800...(I don't know
> yet, but it's a lot).
>
> The OBRA metal signs and tripods are in the neighborhood of $100/set to
> replace. We lost one of each of these types of signs.
>
> I know other promoters have had equipment removed and it has really hurt
> their ability to financially justify putting on these events.
>
> If you see signs being taken down, please feel free to write down plate
> numbers, descriptions, etc, and shoot them to the promoter.
>
> Thanks for your participation at the Cherry Pie, and we'll see you at
> the races!
>
> Jim Fischer
> Heather Paris
> Flying Puppy Racing
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:42:12 -0800
> From: "Emily Martini"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: 06 Javelin Barolo...more info:
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:42:55 -0800
> From: "Doug Ollerenshaw"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bike and other stuff for sale
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> Please, save me from being forced to deal with ebay. Buy this stuff:
>
> 2006 Cannondale Six-13 Carbon/Aluminum bike
> 59cm
> Full Dura-Ace with Reynolds Alta Comp wheels
> very lightly used
> email for more details
> $2,200.00
>
> Rudy Project "Kontact" helmet
> S/M, brand new in plastic wrapping
> Silver with green/orange Health Net team graphics
> $60.00
>
> Rudy Project "Murphy 80" sunglasses.
> with hard case
> still in the box
> $60.00
>
> Rudy Project "Skermo" sunglasses
> with hard case
> $50.00
>
> Rudy Project "Poonga" sunglasses
> with hard case
> $50.00
>
> And every type of Health Net clothing you can imagine:
> socks: brand new in packaging: $8.00/pair
> thermal jacket, wind jacket, wind vest, jerseys, arm warmers, etc. Sold
> for
> a good offer.
>
> Respond to this email if you're interested in anything.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Doug Ollerenshaw
> (doug_ollerenshaw@hotmail.com)
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:07:24 -0800
> From: Jude and David Russell
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS TT Stuff
> To: obra
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Time trial items for sale:
>
> 1. Garneau Prologue V helmet. Size medium. Graphite color. Visor included.
> Excellent condition. $45.00
>
> 2. Profile Design "cow horn" bars. Size 44" $25.00
>
> 3. 3T clip on aero bars $ 40
>
> David
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:11:06 -0800
> From: Jude and David Russell
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tim Rich contact me
> To: obra
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Tim,
>
> Please send me your e-mail address.
>
> David
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:56:02 -0000
> From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cherry Pie lost coffee mug
> To:
> Cc: Brenda Spinney , Bob Freund
> , "Tucker, Mark D \(HP Corvallis\)"
> , Todd.Dye@CH2M.com,
> clem.lacava@oregonstate.edu,
> "Monteleone, Maria L" , Brian
> Vollmer-Buhl
> , Liz Vollmer-Buhl
> , "Wilson, Michael R \(RPS
> Corvallis\)"
> , Don Dean ,
> Anne
> Greenwood , bicycle777@comcast.net,
> "Cooper,
> Josh \(Corvallis\)" , "Anderson, Steve"
> , scarroll@samhealth.org, "Hickson, Michael R"
> , bikeman855@comcast.net, "Ahlvin, Eric L"
> , "Langsdorf, Ben D" <
> ben.d.langsdorf@hp.com>,
> fleibowitz@oregonstate.edu, jasonkillian@gmail.com,
> shechter@engr.orst.edu, portland@spiretech.com,
> jerryheilman@consbio.org, kent@co-motion.com, "James, Pace"
> , Eric.Adams@ci.corvallis.or.us,
> "Stein, Charlie"
> , Shirley.BROWN@EWEB.Eugene.OR.US, "McCanna,
> Scott" , "Stein, Staci"
> , "Monteleone, Joe
> \(Corvallis-IJSupplies\)"
> , BPersons@dhonline.com, "Dagata,
> Jim"
> , colehilton@hotmail.com,
> angela@timscarpet.com,
> "Cripe, Brian E" , Julie Forrest
> , clem.lacava@comcast.net,
> "Zhang, Steve
> H \(Corvallis\)" , oldgoatrider@msn.com,
> Thackray_Family@yahoo.com, pprec@peak.org, Paris Heather
> , bruce.paris@psc.com,
> alexnberra@hotmail.com, Mla@obec.com
> Message-ID:
> <
> 4ED4BEA3C04CAF4C8F9BEE10116D2E3001AE2C30@G3W0067.americas.hpqcorp.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> If you left a coffee mug at registration, send me a description and
> we'll see if you can claim it.
>
> Fish
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:56:18 +0000
> From: tioflaco@comcast.net (Gordon Cumming)
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: NIB FSA K-Force Mega Exo 172.5 Cranks
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID:
> <
> 022020072256.29533.45DB7C920002012B0000735D2206824693010C0E040001079B@comcast.net
> >
>
>
> On Ebay they are going for about $360. I'll sell them for $325 and
> deliver to PDX or salem.
>
> Gordon
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Jude and David Russell
> > Time trial items for sale:
> >
> > 1. Garneau Prologue V helmet. Size medium. Graphite color. Visor
> included.
> > Excellent condition. $45.00
> >
> > 2. Profile Design "cow horn" bars. Size 44" $25.00
> >
> > 3. 3T clip on aero bars $ 40
> >
> > David
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:09:26 -0800
> From: "david baker"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
> To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ,
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <8CCA99E0FBD64C4FB68DDAA50681366D@davidPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Just a note to new members or forgetful ones.
> If a race is being televised many of us record and watch later, you do
> have
> the freedom to say what you want here but there is basically an agreement
> not to spoil race results, and breakaways can lead to wins(ocasionally).
> thank-you
> david
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
>
>
> > Omer is now off the front on a break of three with David McCann
> > (Colavita) and Christopher Laurent. (Credit Agricole)
> >
> > Live feed is giving them a lot of airtime.
> >
> > Whooooot!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:47 AM, rsheasby@bendcable.com wrote:
> >
> >> Omer had a tough day yesterday - let's hope his, and his team's,
> >> luck gets better!!!
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: obra-request@list.obra.org
> >> Date: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:00 pm
> >> Subject: OBRA Digest, Vol 14, Issue 18
> >>
> >>> Send OBRA mailing list submissions to
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> >>> than "Re: Contents of OBRA digest..."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Today's Topics:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Re: Tour of CA (david baker)
> >>> 2. WTB - a rim (Joseph King)
> >>> 3. FS: Ultegra BB (Meg Mautner)
> >>> 4. Track wheels for sale (Joe Cipale)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:59:05 -0800
> >>> From: "david baker"
> >>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tour of CA
> >>> To: "Omer Kem" ,
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>
> >>> Good luck,
> >>> 2:00 tomorrow on versus!
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Omer Kem
> >>> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:45 AM
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tour of CA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hey out there in OBRA land. I am going to be participating in
> >>> the Tour of CA that starts on Sunday. Everyone be sure to check
> >>> out the TV coverage of the event and cheer for my Priority
> >>> Health/Bissell teammates and myself. We will be doing daily
> >>> updates at www.teampriorityhealth.com and also
> >>> www.omerkem.blogspot.com. Thanks for the support!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Omer
> >>>
> >>> omerkem.blogspot.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> -----------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:21:02 -0800 (PST)
> >>> From: Joseph King
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB - a rim
> >>> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >>> Message-ID: <103111.15652.qm@web52103.mail.yahoo.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>
> >>> I busted the rim on my rain bike and need a new one. It's a Mavic
> >>> Open Pro. I'm looking for something round, durable and cheap.
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> Message: 3
> >>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:53:28 -0800
> >>> From: Meg Mautner
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Ultegra BB
> >>> To: OBRA
> >>> Message-ID: <4537190B-E66F-42BF-AD84-5D9476907F1F@comcast.net>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> >>>
> >>> New, never installed splined Ultegra BB. English thread (110 x
> >>> 68),
> >>> model 6500. $40 or make offer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 4
> >>> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:40:06 +0000
> >>> From: Joe Cipale
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Track wheels for sale
> >>> To: OBRA
> >>> Message-ID: <45D83B16.1010906@aracnet.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> >>>
> >>> I have a couple of wheels looking for a good home. Since I no
> >>> longer
> >>> ride the track anymore, I would like to see them go to someone who
> >>> can
> >>> use them.
> >>>
> >>> 1 - Older nodel track Disc wheel. Comes with tubular tire already
> >>> mounted, but will need to br remounted. This is a good solid wheel.
> >>>
> >>> 2 - Wolber-built radially laced tubular. It has a broken spoke but
> >>> it
> >>> can be fixed and raced.
> >>>
> >>> I used both of these in Kilo and Pursuit events. Make an offer.
> >>> May even
> >>> make a two-fer deal on both.
> >>>
> >>> Joe Cipale
> >>> --
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:53:07 -0800
> From: "J.Michael Manning"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Eric Christiansen
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <45db89e33dc43_39a15ba6869a2207b2@lizard.tmail>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Contact me.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:17:21 -0800
> From: "Keith A. Prior"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
> To:
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I agree but, as this isn't a perfect world and as this less than perfect
> world does not revolve around me I always impose upon myself a media
> blackout including
> and especially OBRA list when I don't want to 'know what happened'
>
> That three weeks in July is real tough without OBRA chat lemmie tell ya!
> ;)
>
> -K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]On
> Behalf Of david baker
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:09 PM
> To: T. Kenji Sugahara; rsheasby@bendcable.com
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
>
>
> Just a note to new members or forgetful ones.
> If a race is being televised many of us record and watch later, you do
> have
> the freedom to say what you want here but there is basically an agreement
> not to spoil race results, and breakaways can lead to wins(ocasionally).
> thank-you
> david
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
>
>
> > Omer is now off the front on a break of three with David McCann
> > (Colavita) and Christopher Laurent. (Credit Agricole)
> >
> > Live feed is giving them a lot of airtime.
> >
> > Whooooot!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:47 AM, rsheasby@bendcable.com wrote:
> >
> >> Omer had a tough day yesterday - let's hope his, and his team's,
> >> luck gets better!!!
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: obra-request@list.obra.org
> >> Date: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:00 pm
> >> Subject: OBRA Digest, Vol 14, Issue 18
> >>
> >>> Send OBRA mailing list submissions to
> >>> obra@list.obra.org
> >>>
> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>> obra-request@list.obra.org
> >>>
> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>> obra-owner@list.obra.org
> >>>
> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>> than "Re: Contents of OBRA digest..."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Today's Topics:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Re: Tour of CA (david baker)
> >>> 2. WTB - a rim (Joseph King)
> >>> 3. FS: Ultegra BB (Meg Mautner)
> >>> 4. Track wheels for sale (Joe Cipale)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:59:05 -0800
> >>> From: "david baker"
> >>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tour of CA
> >>> To: "Omer Kem" ,
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>
> >>> Good luck,
> >>> 2:00 tomorrow on versus!
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Omer Kem
> >>> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:45 AM
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tour of CA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hey out there in OBRA land. I am going to be participating in
> >>> the Tour of CA that starts on Sunday. Everyone be sure to check
> >>> out the TV coverage of the event and cheer for my Priority
> >>> Health/Bissell teammates and myself. We will be doing daily
> >>> updates at www.teampriorityhealth.com and also
> >>> www.omerkem.blogspot.com. Thanks for the support!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Omer
> >>>
> >>> omerkem.blogspot.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> -----------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> OBRA mailing list
> >>> obra@list.obra.org
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> >>>
> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:21:02 -0800 (PST)
> >>> From: Joseph King
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB - a rim
> >>> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >>> Message-ID: <103111.15652.qm@web52103.mail.yahoo.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>
> >>> I busted the rim on my rain bike and need a new one. It's a Mavic
> >>> Open Pro. I'm looking for something round, durable and cheap.
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------
> >>> Looking for earth-friendly autos?
> >>> Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> >>> URL:
> >>> http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070217/bc13f0c1/
> >>> attachment.htm
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 3
> >>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:53:28 -0800
> >>> From: Meg Mautner
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Ultegra BB
> >>> To: OBRA
> >>> Message-ID: <4537190B-E66F-42BF-AD84-5D9476907F1F@comcast.net>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> >>>
> >>> New, never installed splined Ultegra BB. English thread (110 x
> >>> 68),
> >>> model 6500. $40 or make offer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 4
> >>> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:40:06 +0000
> >>> From: Joe Cipale
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Track wheels for sale
> >>> To: OBRA
> >>> Message-ID: <45D83B16.1010906@aracnet.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> >>>
> >>> I have a couple of wheels looking for a good home. Since I no
> >>> longer
> >>> ride the track anymore, I would like to see them go to someone who
> >>> can
> >>> use them.
> >>>
> >>> 1 - Older nodel track Disc wheel. Comes with tubular tire already
> >>> mounted, but will need to br remounted. This is a good solid wheel.
> >>>
> >>> 2 - Wolber-built radially laced tubular. It has a broken spoke but
> >>> it
> >>> can be fixed and raced.
> >>>
> >>> I used both of these in Kilo and Pursuit events. Make an offer.
> >>> May even
> >>> make a two-fer deal on both.
> >>>
> >>> Joe Cipale
> >>> --
> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>> ~ Certified Linux User: #309247 ~
> >>> ~ For more information, Go to: http://counter.li.org ~
> >>> ~--------------------------------------------------------------~
> >>> ~ Maximum Evil? Aisle 3, all the way to the end on the lower ~
> >>> ~ left. Look for the Pink box with the picture of the Koala ~
> >>> ~ Bear on it... ~
> >>> ~--------------------------------------------------------------~
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> End of OBRA Digest, Vol 14, Issue 18
> >>> ************************************
> >>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:50:00 -0500
> From: "mike.murray@obra.org"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Signs as souvenirs
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <380-2200723210500295@M2W045.mail2web.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> No, OBRA does not offer insurance against loss of race equipment. To my
> knowledge, such an insurance product is not available. If it was
> available
> the cost would be high as most races lose something. The loss of 2 signs
> is not actually very unusual. Signs are the most common thing
> lost. After
> that is radios. Jim's point is a good one; if you see someone taking a
> race sign down they are probably stealing it. You should do the same
> thing
> that you would do if you saw someone stealing anything else. I suspect
> that most radios are not actually stolen but "forgotten". If you have one
> of these, just give it back. We will be happy, not pissed off. For what
> it is worth, signs and radios are not the only things that goes missing.
> OBRA has had several generators stolen, as well as video camera, tents, PS
> systems, etc. Basically anything not nailed down has been stolen.
>
> I have, in the past, looked at insuring the OBRA equipment against theft
> and damage. It would be possible to insure it while at the velodrome, but
> not while out at races. Occasionally loss of equipment has been covered
> by
> the race orgsanizer's home owner's insurance, but generally not. The
> bottom line is that insurance is not the answer, loss prevention is. You
> need to help. If you see OBRA equipment going somewhere it does not
> belong
> intervene and get information back to us.
>
> OBRA charges race organizers for these losses. This is really the only
> way
> that OBRA can deal with this. If the cost of the loss is large collecting
> this can be difficult since it often will come out of the race organizer's
> own pocket. The cost of these losses and, more importantly, the risk of
> sustaining such a loss is something that inhibits the production of races
> and increases the cost to race organizers. Ultimately this comes back to
> members as increased entry fees.
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: MathewB@dowa.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:53:28 -0800
> To: jim.fischer@hp.com, obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Signs as souvenirs
>
>
> This seems to be a reoccurring theme, is there anything that can be done
> to shift this paradigm, sans posting a volunteer at every sign?
>
> Does obra offer race material insurance?
>
> mathew braun
>
> d o w a
>
> 319 sw washington street. #200
>
> portland, or 97204
>
> p: 503.226.6950
>
> f: 503.273.9192
>
> m: 503.808.0495
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:50 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Signs as souvenirs
>
> Just wanted to let you folks know that we had two signs disappear from
> the road side at this weekend's Cherry Pie. At Independence and Ryals,
> one sign went away, and the sign crew put up another. It, too,
> disappeared.
>
> If you see anyone removing signs, please get a plate number and vehicle
> description (assuming they're not on foot, riding a bike or airborne).
>
> The sexy fabric "Bike Event Ahead" signs run $400-800...(I don't know
> yet, but it's a lot).
>
> The OBRA metal signs and tripods are in the neighborhood of $100/set to
> replace. We lost one of each of these types of signs.
>
> I know other promoters have had equipment removed and it has really hurt
> their ability to financially justify putting on these events.
>
> If you see signs being taken down, please feel free to write down plate
> numbers, descriptions, etc, and shoot them to the promoter.
>
> Thanks for your participation at the Cherry Pie, and we'll see you at
> the races!
>
> Jim Fischer
> Heather Paris
> Flying Puppy Racing
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:29:38 -0800
> From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
> To: "Keith A. Prior"
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> OMG! I got so excited with Omer that I totally forgot.
>
> Either way, you're in for a special treat in a 1/2 hour.
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Keith A. Prior wrote:
>
> > I agree but, as this isn't a perfect world and as this less than
> > perfect
> > world does not revolve around me I always impose upon myself a media
> > blackout including
> > and especially OBRA list when I don't want to 'know what happened'
> >
> > That three weeks in July is real tough without OBRA chat lemmie
> > tell ya! ;)
> >
> > -K
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]On
> > Behalf Of david baker
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:09 PM
> > To: T. Kenji Sugahara; rsheasby@bendcable.com
> > Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
> >
> >
> > Just a note to new members or forgetful ones.
> > If a race is being televised many of us record and watch later, you
> > do have
> > the freedom to say what you want here but there is basically an
> > agreement
> > not to spoil race results, and breakaways can lead to wins
> > (ocasionally).
> > thank-you
> > david
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> > To:
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
> >
> >
> >> Omer is now off the front on a break of three with David McCann
> >> (Colavita) and Christopher Laurent. (Credit Agricole)
> >>
> >> Live feed is giving them a lot of airtime.
> >>
> >> Whooooot!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:47 AM, rsheasby@bendcable.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Omer had a tough day yesterday - let's hope his, and his team's,
> >>> luck gets better!!!
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: obra-request@list.obra.org
> >>> Date: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:00 pm
> >>> Subject: OBRA Digest, Vol 14, Issue 18
> >>>
> >>>> Send OBRA mailing list submissions to
> >>>> obra@list.obra.org
> >>>>
> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>>> obra-request@list.obra.org
> >>>>
> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>>> obra-owner@list.obra.org
> >>>>
> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>>> than "Re: Contents of OBRA digest..."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Today's Topics:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Re: Tour of CA (david baker)
> >>>> 2. WTB - a rim (Joseph King)
> >>>> 3. FS: Ultegra BB (Meg Mautner)
> >>>> 4. Track wheels for sale (Joe Cipale)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> ---
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 1
> >>>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:59:05 -0800
> >>>> From: "david baker"
> >>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tour of CA
> >>>> To: "Omer Kem" ,
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>>
> >>>> Good luck,
> >>>> 2:00 tomorrow on versus!
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Omer Kem
> >>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:45 AM
> >>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tour of CA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey out there in OBRA land. I am going to be participating in
> >>>> the Tour of CA that starts on Sunday. Everyone be sure to check
> >>>> out the TV coverage of the event and cheer for my Priority
> >>>> Health/Bissell teammates and myself. We will be doing daily
> >>>> updates at www.teampriorityhealth.com and also
> >>>> www.omerkem.blogspot.com. Thanks for the support!!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Omer
> >>>>
> >>>> omerkem.blogspot.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> -----------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> OBRA mailing list
> >>>> obra@list.obra.org
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> >>>> attachment.html
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 2
> >>>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:21:02 -0800 (PST)
> >>>> From: Joseph King
> >>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB - a rim
> >>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >>>> Message-ID: <103111.15652.qm@web52103.mail.yahoo.com>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>>
> >>>> I busted the rim on my rain bike and need a new one. It's a Mavic
> >>>> Open Pro. I'm looking for something round, durable and cheap.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------
> >>>> Looking for earth-friendly autos?
> >>>> Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
> >>>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> >>>> URL:
> >>>> http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070217/bc13f0c1/
> >>>> attachment.htm
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 3
> >>>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:53:28 -0800
> >>>> From: Meg Mautner
> >>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Ultegra BB
> >>>> To: OBRA
> >>>> Message-ID: <4537190B-E66F-42BF-AD84-5D9476907F1F@comcast.net>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes;
> >>>> format=flowed
> >>>>
> >>>> New, never installed splined Ultegra BB. English thread (110 x
> >>>> 68),
> >>>> model 6500. $40 or make offer.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 4
> >>>> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:40:06 +0000
> >>>> From: Joe Cipale
> >>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Track wheels for sale
> >>>> To: OBRA
> >>>> Message-ID: <45D83B16.1010906@aracnet.com>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a couple of wheels looking for a good home. Since I no
> >>>> longer
> >>>> ride the track anymore, I would like to see them go to someone who
> >>>> can
> >>>> use them.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1 - Older nodel track Disc wheel. Comes with tubular tire already
> >>>> mounted, but will need to br remounted. This is a good solid wheel.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2 - Wolber-built radially laced tubular. It has a broken spoke but
> >>>> it
> >>>> can be fixed and raced.
> >>>>
> >>>> I used both of these in Kilo and Pursuit events. Make an offer.
> >>>> May even
> >>>> make a two-fer deal on both.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe Cipale
> >>>> --
> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>> ~ Certified Linux User: #309247 ~
> >>>> ~ For more information, Go to: http://counter.li.org ~
> >>>> ~--------------------------------------------------------------~
> >>>> ~ Maximum Evil? Aisle 3, all the way to the end on the lower ~
> >>>> ~ left. Look for the Pink box with the picture of the Koala ~
> >>>> ~ Bear on it... ~
> >>>> ~--------------------------------------------------------------~
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> OBRA mailing list
> >>>> obra@list.obra.org
> >>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> End of OBRA Digest, Vol 14, Issue 18
> >>>> ************************************
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>
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> >
> >
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:53:34 -0800
> From: Tim Ehlers
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cherry Pie - Another set of photos
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <45dbd04e1c994_39a15ba6883a5f883d@lizard.tmail>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hello Folks!
> I have added my set of photos out for viewing and/or purchase of the
> recent Cherry Pie Races. It is broken out to AM and PM races and follows
> pretty much in order of the start groups.
>
> If you would like to purchase a photo or two, please locate the cart
> button above the photo you are view and let 'Smugmug' guide you through the
> process and the pricing. You can put as many photos/copies in your cart.
>
> Thanks for going out and kicking the racing season in gear and hope
> everyone has a fantastic season. It's early though!
>
> Also would like to say thanks for those who have purchased photos from my
> limited OBRA shootings. I appreciate your business and any feedback you
> give.
>
> Thanks for reading and viewing!
>
> Tim Ehlers
> TRE Photography
> www.trephotos.com
>
> http://trephotos.smugmug.com/OBRA-Bicycle%20Racing
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:18:48 +0000
> From: kennettp@comcast.net
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Wanted: wind trainer
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID:
> <
> 022120070618.20249.45DBE448000D679F00004F1922070216339F9B9B0A02020A05@comcast.net
> >
>
>
> Im looking for an old (or new) wind trainer. Im tired of using a magnet
> trainer.
>
> kennett
>
> 971-235-5488
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:05:49 -0800
> From: Camille Hook
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pink Santacruz Superlight
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <45dbef4d8a72f_3a015bcef78c0dc1297@lizard.tmail>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Frame size Large with Fox Float R suspension
> Groupset; Shimano XT/XTR derailleurs and 9sp cassette with Deore LX Dual
> control Levers and Hallowtech crankset
> Forks: Rock Shocx Reba air Uturn
> Breaks: Shimano BH59 hydraulic disc breaks with SMRT-62 centre lock
> rotors
> Wheels: Mavic 717 disc rims with Shimano M585 hub
> Finishing set: Chris King Headset ,Easton EA50 stem & bars Easton EA90
> carbon seatpost, WTB rocket stealth saddle
>
> Also includes
> 1pair 2.3 continental vertical tyres
> 1pair 2.1 panaracer Fire XCpro tubless tyres
> 8 Bontrager tubes
> Shock pump (original with forks)
> 1x new sram PC971 chain
>
> Price $1800 OBO
>
> email for pictures
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:01:06 -0800
> From: uzideth@gmail.com
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID:
> <3f1755ca0702210001lb59d4aex7435e2be02544857@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Let the naysayers naaaaayyyyyyyyyy.
>
> raceOregon.blogspot.com
>
> I could use a few pictures of the race. I've had a hard time lifting
> them from the oregonvelo page.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:21:05 -0800
> From: "Erik Voldengen"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
> To:
> Message-ID: <082601c755cb$ebd0cc00$0401a8c0@blue>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Nice recap.
>
> Of course you wouldn't "lift" a photo from a professional photographer,
> right? Especially for a public website?
>
> -Erik
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of uzideth@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:01 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
>
> Let the naysayers naaaaayyyyyyyyyy.
>
> raceOregon.blogspot.com
>
> I could use a few pictures of the race. I've had a hard time lifting
> them from the oregonvelo page.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:54:05 -0800
> From: "Ted"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
> To: ,
> Message-ID: <000901c755d0$83d7e070$0b00a8c0@Ted>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> With all due respect, I should mention that attempting to "lift" an image
> from Shane's site is attempted theft. Please do not steal images from
> photographers. Are the images currently displayed on your site yours? If
> not, is your current use of these images authorized by the photographers?
>
>
>
> I'm sure Shane would be happy to sell you a rights-managed usage license
> for
> any image you like. You are the end-user of a copyrighted photo and as
> such, you have the legal responsibility to obtain permission to use the
> photo before doing so. Permission is usually granted with a usage license
> from the copyright holder.
>
>
>
> Here's a price quote for a standard stock cycling image from the Alamy.com
> pricing calculator; I selected values that would most likely apply to the
> terms of use on your blog:
>
>
>
> Image use: editorial
>
> Details of that use: editorial-online
>
> Image size: up to 1/4 screen
>
> Placement: secondary screen
>
> Duration: 6 months
>
> Territory: Region (PNW)
>
> Product industry: Personal Use Only (blog)
>
> Industry details: Personal Use Only (blog)
>
> Price: $200
>
>
>
> If you wanted to use the image for a year on your front page at 1/2 page
> size or larger, then the personal use license would be $680, again based
> on
> pricing from a mid-level stock agency like Alamy. Now, don't get me
> started on all of the microstock agencies that sell licenses for $1. (They
> are partly to blame for the drastic drop in the value of photography over
> the last several years.)
>
>
>
> Shane would likely quote you a lower price than the example I used above.
> But I think you get the point - photos are not free. Also realize that
> the
> license fees from local photographers for OBRA images (including mine) are
> extremely low; far lower than required to meet expenses and make a profit.
>
>
>
> If a race promoter or OBRA were to actually hire a freelance photographer
> for exclusive coverage of an event, then the fee would likely be similar
> to
> what an experienced and established wedding photographer would charge:
>
> - Expenses (e.g., travel): $100+
>
> - Creative Fee: $80-100/hr for 6 hours of shooting at the venue
>
> - Post-processing Fee: 8 hours (usually many more) for processing the
> 1,000-1,500 RAW images (culling, cropping, exposure/color corrections,
> resizing for web display, archiving, exporting to TIFF for Photoshop edits
> or directly to JPEG) at $40-$60/hour
>
> - Image licensing: depends on the use, but could be in the $1,000s
>
>
>
> A few resources:
>
> http://www.editorialphoto.com/resources/
>
> http://www.editorialphoto.com/copyright/
>
> http://www.editorialphoto.com/resources/value_of_photography.asp
>
>
>
> You can also access editorial photo pricing software (e.g., FotoQuote,
> which
> I use) here:
>
> http://www.asmp.org/commerce/estimator.php
>
>
> ~ Ted Turner
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:01 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
>
>
> > Let the naysayers naaaaayyyyyyyyyy.
> >
> > raceOregon.blogspot.com
> >
> > I could use a few pictures of the race. I've had a hard time lifting
> > them from the oregonvelo page.
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>
> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:09:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: P Kudszus
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Question about Mary's Peak
> To: OBRA
> Message-ID: <20070221170922.40961.qmail@web53711.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Does anyone know who I can contact for conditions on
> the roadway up to and also the parking lot on top of
> Mary's Peak? Is there snow/ice at the top parking lot
> or?
>
> Thanks, PAT
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:18:40 -0800 (PST)
> From: EAL
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
> To: Ted , obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <125745.79782.qm@web50504.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Well, actually it isn't theft at all, it's copyright infringement. Theft
> and infringment have completely completely different legal and historical
> roots. You are making the basic mistake of confusing the "thing" with the
> rights in the thing. For example, if I went into Shane's studio and took
> his hard copies of his photos or a disk with his digital photos that would
> be theft (of the thing) but it wouldn't be infringement. If I made
> unlicensed copies of his photos but didn't remove the originals from his
> studio that would be infringement becuase I would be exercising rights with
> respect to the thing that have been granted on an exclusive, but limited
> basis to Shane.
>
> It's copyright 101
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ted wrote:
> With all due respect, I should mention that attempting to "lift" an
> image
> from Shane's site is attempted theft. Please do not steal images from
> photographers. Are the images currently displayed on your site yours? If
> not, is your current use of these images authorized by the photographers?
>
>
>
> I'm sure Shane would be happy to sell you a rights-managed usage license
> for
> any image you like. You are the end-user of a copyrighted photo and as
> such, you have the legal responsibility to obtain permission to use the
> photo before doing so. Permission is usually granted with a usage license
> from the copyright holder.
>
>
>
> Here's a price quote for a standard stock cycling image from the Alamy.com
> pricing calculator; I selected values that would most likely apply to the
> terms of use on your blog:
>
>
>
> Image use: editorial
>
> Details of that use: editorial-online
>
> Image size: up to 1/4 screen
>
> Placement: secondary screen
>
> Duration: 6 months
>
> Territory: Region (PNW)
>
> Product industry: Personal Use Only (blog)
>
> Industry details: Personal Use Only (blog)
>
> Price: $200
>
>
>
> If you wanted to use the image for a year on your front page at 1/2 page
> size or larger, then the personal use license would be $680, again based
> on
> pricing from a mid-level stock agency like Alamy. Now, don't get me
> started on all of the microstock agencies that sell licenses for $1. (They
> are partly to blame for the drastic drop in the value of photography over
> the last several years.)
>
>
>
> Shane would likely quote you a lower price than the example I used above.
> But I think you get the point - photos are not free. Also realize that the
> license fees from local photographers for OBRA images (including mine) are
> extremely low; far lower than required to meet expenses and make a profit.
>
>
>
> If a race promoter or OBRA were to actually hire a freelance photographer
> for exclusive coverage of an event, then the fee would likely be similar
> to
> what an experienced and established wedding photographer would charge:
>
> - Expenses (e.g., travel): $100+
>
> - Creative Fee: $80-100/hr for 6 hours of shooting at the venue
>
> - Post-processing Fee: 8 hours (usually many more) for processing the
> 1,000-1,500 RAW images (culling, cropping, exposure/color corrections,
> resizing for web display, archiving, exporting to TIFF for Photoshop edits
> or directly to JPEG) at $40-$60/hour
>
> - Image licensing: depends on the use, but could be in the $1,000s
>
>
>
> A few resources:
>
> http://www.editorialphoto.com/resources/
>
> http://www.editorialphoto.com/copyright/
>
> http://www.editorialphoto.com/resources/value_of_photography.asp
>
>
>
> You can also access editorial photo pricing software (e.g., FotoQuote,
> which
> I use) here:
>
> http://www.asmp.org/commerce/estimator.php
>
>
> ~ Ted Turner
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:01 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
>
>
> > Let the naysayers naaaaayyyyyyyyyy.
> >
> > raceOregon.blogspot.com
> >
> > I could use a few pictures of the race. I've had a hard time lifting
> > them from the oregonvelo page.
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
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> 2/20/2007
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> >
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:37:01 -0800
> From: Kurt Ward
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: 49cm Lemond
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <9865D40F-0A4E-43CD-BE31-97CF3F90C2A2@yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> - 49cm Lemond Maillot Jaune, Saturn team frame, "Aeroluminum" tubing
> - Easton EC30 carbon fork
> - Ultegra 10-speed components
> - Wipperman stainless chain
> - Cinelli non-ergo bars
> - SSM saddle
> - wheels, Mavic Open Sport rims, 105 hubs
>
> Bike was built new and ridden about 500 miles. Wheels are NEW, never
> ridden.
>
> $1000 obo
>
> Email for pics, questions...
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:08:53 +0000
> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
> To: EAL , Ted ,
> obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID:
> <
> 022120071808.10683.45DC8AB3000A4569000029BB22165514069B0E080C050C0A9D080C9C09@comcast.net
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I agree with what you say, but, no matter what you call it, it still is
> wrong, so lets not lose sight of that in all the legal speak.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: EAL
>
> Well, actually it isn't theft at all, it's copyright infringement. Theft
> and infringment have completely completely different legal and historical
> roots. You are making the basic mistake of confusing the "thing" with the
> rights in the thing. For example, if I went into Shane's studio and took
> his hard copies of his photos or a disk with his digital photos that would
> be theft (of the thing) but it wouldn't be infringement. If I made
> unlicensed copies of his photos but didn't remove the originals from his
> studio that would be infringement becuase I would be exercising rights with
> respect to the thing that have been granted on an exclusive, but limited
> basis to Shane.
>
> It's copyright 101
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ted wrote:
> With all due respect, I should mention that attempting to "lift" an image
> from Shane's site is attempted theft. Please do not steal images from
> photographers. Are the images currently displayed on your site yours? If
> not, is your current use of these images authorized by the photographers?
>
>
>
> I'm sure Shane would be happy to sell you a rights-managed usage license
> for
> any image you like. You are the end-user of a copyrighted photo and as
> such, you have the legal responsibility to obtain permission to use the
> photo before doing so. Permission is usually granted with a usage license
> from the copyright holder.
>
>
>
> Here's a price quote for a standard stock cycling image from the Alamy.com
> pricing calculator; I selected values that would most likely apply to the
> terms of use on your blog:
>
>
>
> Image use: editorial
>
> Details of that use: editorial-online
>
> Image size: up to 1/4 screen
>
> Placement: secondary screen
>
> Duration: 6 months
>
> Territory: Region (PNW)
>
> Product industry: Personal Use Only (blog)
>
> Industry details: Personal Use Only (blog)
>
> Price: $200
>
>
>
> If you wanted to use the image for a year on your front page at 1/2 page
> size or larger, then the personal use license would be $680, again based
> on
> pricing from a mid-level stock agency like Alamy. Now, don't get me
> started on all of the microstock agencies that sell licenses for $1. (They
> are partly to blame for the drastic drop in the value of photography over
> the last several years.)
>
>
>
> Shane would likely quote you a lower price than the example I used above.
> But I think you get the point - photos are not free. Also realize that the
> license fees from local photographers for OBRA images (including mine) are
> extremely low; far lower than required to meet expenses and make a profit.
>
>
>
> If a race promoter or OBRA were to actually hire a freelance photographer
> for exclusive coverage of an event, then the fee would likely be similar
> to
> what an experienced and established wedding photographer would charge:
>
> - Expenses (e.g., travel): $100+
>
> - Creative Fee: $80-100/hr for 6 hours of shooting at the venue
>
> - Post-processing Fee: 8 hours (usually many more) for processing the
> 1,000-1,500 RAW images (culling, cropping, exposure/color corrections,
> resizing for web display, archiving, exporting to TIFF for Photoshop edits
> or directly to JPEG) at $40-$60/hour
>
> - Image licensing: depends on the use, but could be in the $1,000s
>
>
>
> A few resources:
>
> http://www.editorialphoto.com/resources/
>
> http://www.editorialphoto.com/copyright/
>
> http://www.editorialphoto.com/resources/value_of_photography.asp
>
>
>
> You can also access editorial photo pricing software (e.g., FotoQuote,
> which
> I use) here:
>
> http://www.asmp.org/commerce/estimator.php
>
>
> ~ Ted Turner
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:01 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
>
>
> > Let the naysayers naaaaayyyyyyyyyy.
> >
> > raceOregon.blogspot.com
> >
> > I could use a few pictures of the race. I've had a hard time lifting
> > them from the oregonvelo page.
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
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>
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