38 mm Carbon Fiber Tubular Wheels (unlabeled American Classics)
585 grams 20 spoke radial front
850 grams 24 spoke x2 rear
Sapim CX Ray Spokes
1435 grams for the pair (with QR)
MSRP $1500.00
Great shape, ridden 20 times.
Pictures here
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1677271905.html
$600 OBO
Shawn Small
Dave,
I am 235-250 depending on the time of year. I ride nothing but custom built
wheels because of my size. All the factory built wheels I have owned were
ruined very shortly after I got them. My first custom road and mountain
wheels were built by Erik Vickers at Hutch's in Bend, (now I think he is at
the Bike Peddler in Salem) and I have been riding them for over 8 years and
they have never come out of true. Last year, Dean at Bike Central built me
a killer set of Zipp 808 rims laced to Dura Ace hubs for my triathlon bike.
I have almost 1400 miles on them and have hit my share of bumps and they are
still in pristine shape. I rode in an Ironman with these wheels and Tufo
clincher/tubular tires so I feel I got the best of both worlds. Zipp makes
a Clydesdale wheelset in their 404 and the 808 rims but I would go with the
Dura Ace hubs instead of the factory hubs and someone like Dean, Erik, or
Dan Houghton build you a set. All these guys have great reputations for
building strong wheels. Granted, I have not done a bunch sprint with these
wheels or collided with someone but have hit potholes and gone over curbs
(sorry Dean) and they haven't exploded yet. Email me if you want contact
info for any of those guys. Hope this helps.
Darren
Darren A. Smith, DC, DACBSP
Diplomate, American Chiropractic Board of Sports Physicians
Lacamas Sports Chiropractic
2950 NW 38th Ave
Camas WA 98607
(360) 635-2525
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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of David Rosen
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:04 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Carbon wheels
I am interested in getting some carbon wheels and have been looking at a few
models. I know a lot of people out there are riding on carbon wheels, and I
was curious for some general feedback on your experiences.
I am looking at Mavic Carbones, Reynolds Stratus DV Clincher, Zipp 404, and
Shimano Dura-Ace wheels. I like the idea of ease of service of a clincher,
but have heard that the ride quality of a tubular makes a huge difference.
I weigh about 200lbs, so strong is good. I need to lose weight on my body
before I worry about the lightest set of wheels on the market. Thus,
reliability and strength are key.
Please reply off-list.
Thank you for your time.
Dave
I confess to being the rider whose rear Zipp 303 crumbled in BB3 last season (at least I didn't end up hitting the deck!). I weigh about 160 and happened to be running an 11/23 at the time, so I am not a particularly big guy. I have to concede that I made a VERY poor choice of wheels for that race and I think that wheel selection is the key point with respect to the wheel failure I experienced. That was my first season racing in OR and at the time didn't know the BB course (the road is pretty rough and potholed). In hindsight, I wouldn't have run ANY carbon wheelset. Lesson learned.
That being said, the 303 is also a particularly lightweight and fragile wheel. I wouldn't recommend this wheel for anyone who weighs more than 160. In an uphill sprint finish, I can feel it flexing under me. In that race, I did somehow clip a pothole (and never even felt it). The tire flatted at about 30mph on a downhill going into a curve. I think that the problem was just that - leaning into a curve, the rim struck the pavement and cracked. Once out of true, it caught in the brake caliper which opened it up like a can opener. Result - completely shattered/folded wheel underneath me.
Since then, I bought a set of Easton Tempest II which are much more like a 404, only stiffer. This is a far better choice for someone of my size and it weighs only a 100g more. I've used them in road races and crits and they've lived up to my expectations. In the end (and as always, this is just my opinion, personal preference, or whatever term you choose) I believe that in a similar circumstance, if the Eastons or any other carbon rim touched the pavement at that speed the result would have likely been the same.
Bottom line, I don't really want to debate this, just throw some facts out there regarding what happened last season as a better point of reference. This is a choice each of us makes and I suppose that with carbon, the possibility of a catastrohpic failure is always there.
Anthony
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up. (EAL)
2. ForSale: Bontrager Road Bars (P Kudszus)
3. Garneau TT helmet is sold (Jude and David Russell)
4. raceOregon photos. (uzideth@gmail.com)
5. Signs as souvenirs (Quenton Conant)
6. Eric Christensen condition (Jude and David Russell)
7. visual -Spacial learners (jason pfeifer)
8. Officials Training (comotionclassic@comcast.net)
9. Re: visual -Spacial learners (jason pfeifer)
10. F:S-06' Giant TCR Advanced (veloboy366@netzero.net)
11. F.S: 24" Torker Unicycle (veloboy366@netzero.net)
12. Carbon wheels (David Rosen)
13. Short Cat.3 report at raceOregon. (uzideth@gmail.com)
14. Cherry Pie - 2nd helping (Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis))
15. Time for Club/Team Renewal (Candi Murray)
16. Re: Carbon wheels (A2000sportster@aol.com)
17. Bike Measurement Transfer Question (T. Kenji Sugahara)
18. Re: Carbon wheels (Erik Voldengen)
19. Re: Bike Measurement Transfer Question (Erik Voldengen)
20. Re: Carbon wheels (Luciano bailey)
21. Re: Carbon wheels (Long, Steve)
22. FS: Xero XSR-3 Lite Road Wheels (Martin Baker)
23. Re: Carbon wheels (ibis23@comcast.net)
24. FS: Shimano SH-R151 Road Shoes (Martin Baker)
25. MTB wheels for sale?? (Ken)
26. banana belt 2007 (Mike)
27. looking for RAAM crew (Jeff Henderson)
28. Re: Carbon wheels (Greg Crane)
29. FS: Xero XSR-3 Lite Road Wheels - sold! (Martin Baker)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:05:23 -0800 (PST)
From: EAL
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
To: Brian Engelen , obra@list.obra.org
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I suppose we're all sorry I brought this up, but if you're going to accuse someone of violating the law you might as well have the right law. You may drive drunk, I shouldn't accuse you of rape, even though they're both wrong and both have thier respective punishments.
As far as your example, Brian, the value has nothing to do with it. If you rob someone at gunpoint and all you get is a penny it's basically the same as getting 10Gs. Similarly, let's say 2 photographers took exaclty the same pictue, one licenses for free or has contributed to the public domain and one licenses for 10K. It's not illegal for me to use the free license even though its value to photographer 1 is 10K. Similarly, let's say I post a diagram of a novel circuit on Shanes's site that cost me 10M to develop. If someone copies my diagram, it isn't copyright infringement becuase you can't copright strictly factual or functional elements. (We won't go into patent issues).
Don't fret. Last post on this issue. It's just a little pet peeve of mine.
Ed
Brian Engelen wrote:
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} I think I?m somewhere in the middle on this issue.
Consider this, if I find a penny on the street and put it in my pocket. Is it ?finder keeper?? Then if I find a $10,000 bundle of $100 bills and put it in my pocket is it still ?finder keeper??
What should I do with the penny?
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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of EAL
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:19 AM
To: Ted; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
Well, actually it isn't theft at all, it's copyright infringement. Theft and infringment have completely completely different legal and historical roots. You are making the basic mistake of confusing the "thing" with the rights in the thing. For example, if I went into Shane's studio and took his hard copies of his photos or a disk with his digital photos that would be theft (of the thing) but it wouldn't be infringement. If I made unlicensed copies of his photos but didn't remove the originals from his studio that would be infringement becuase I would be exercising rights with respect to the thing that have been granted on an exclusive, but limited basis to Shane.
It's copyright 101
Ed
Ted wrote:
With all due respect, I should mention that attempting to "lift" an image
from Shane's site is attempted theft. Please do not steal images from
photographers. Are the images currently displayed on your site yours? If
not, is your current use of these images authorized by the photographers?
I'm sure Shane would be happy to sell you a rights-managed usage license for
any image you like. You are the end-user of a copyrighted photo and as
such, you have the legal responsibility to obtain permission to use the
photo before doing so. Permission is usually granted with a usage license
from the copyright holder.
Here's a price quote for a standard stock cycling image from the Alamy.com
pricing calculator; I selected values that would most likely apply to the
terms of use on your blog:
Image use: editorial
Details of that use: editorial-online
Image size: up to 1/4 screen
Placement: secondary screen
Duration: 6 months
Territory: Region (PNW)
Product industry: Personal Use Only (blog)
Industry details: Personal Use Only (blog)
Price: $200
If you wanted to use the image for a year on your front page at 1/2 page
size or larger, then the personal use license would be $680, again based on
pricing from a mid-level stock agency like Alamy. Now, don't get me
started on all of the microstock agencies that sell licenses for $1. (They
are partly to blame for the drastic drop in the value of photography over
the last several years.)
Shane would likely quote you a lower price than the example I used above.
But I think you get the point - photos are not free. Also realize that the
license fees from local photographers for OBRA images (including mine) are
extremely low; far lower than required to meet expenses and make a profit.
If a race promoter or OBRA were to actually hire a freelance photographer
for exclusive coverage of an event, then the fee would likely be similar to
what an experienced and established wedding photographer would charge:
- Expenses (e.g., travel): $100+
- Creative Fee: $80-100/hr for 6 hours of shooting at the venue
- Post-processing Fee: 8 hours (usually many more) for processing the
1,000-1,500 RAW images (culling, cropping, exposure/color corrections,
resizing for web display, archiving, exporting to TIFF for Photoshop edits
or directly to JPEG) at $40-$60/hour
- Image licensing: depends on the use, but could be in the $1,000s
A few resources:
http://www.editorialphoto.com/resources/
http://www.editorialphoto.com/copyright/
http://www.editorialphoto.com/resources/value_of_photography.asp
You can also access editorial photo pricing software (e.g., FotoQuote, which
I use) here:
http://www.asmp.org/commerce/estimator.php
~ Ted Turner
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
> Let the naysayers naaaaayyyyyyyyyy.
>
> raceOregon.blogspot.com
>
> I could use a few pictures of the race. I've had a hard time lifting
> them from the oregonvelo page.
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:11:43 -0800 (PST)
From: P Kudszus
Subject: [OBRA Chat] ForSale: Bontrager Road Bars
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:19:59 -0800
From: Jude and David Russell
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Garneau TT helmet is sold
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:45:57 -0800
From: uzideth@gmail.com
Subject: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon photos.
To: obra@list.obra.org
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I never intended to steal anyone's pictures. I sent out some e-mail's
about using someone's from oregonvelo.com, or the couple of other
photographers that post links on the OBRA list. I waited a day.
NOBODY responded. Then I tried looking around on flickr and other
sites.
I intend to give the photographers interested full credit, endless
plugs, and buy them a beer whenever the situation arises. If anyone
is interested in donating a snapshot or two under these conditions,
get in touch. I don't need pro pictures, just a couple snaps of guys
who were involved in the outcome of the race.
On another note, one of the photographers I bothered referred to me as
a "journalist". I take great offense to this label. My little blog
is based on hearsay, rumors, gossip, and completely biased personal
opinion. These may revolve around race results, but those aren't
really news, they're just a record of the event ("50 Cat 1-2 cyclists
rode around in circles north of Corvallis and Chad Hartley rode
fastest" is about as deep as my "reporting" is going to go.). I think
the term "gossip-monger" would be more appropriate.
Anyways,
the site is at raceOregon.blogspot.com
it still needs pictures.
sorry to some of you and thank you to others.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:45:55 -0800
From: "Quenton Conant"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Signs as souvenirs
To: obra@list.obra.org
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maybe it would be cheaper to go at it all secret agent style. Fix the more
expensive objects with gps finders, so that you can locate them within a few
yards of where they reside. It may not be cost effective, and I'm not sure
if such things exist on the consumer market affordably, but IMHO a hundred
extra dollars to save an $800 sign would be worth it.
dunno, just my 2cents.
PEAS!
Quenton
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> 1. Re: Signs as souvenirs (bcr123@comcast.net)
> 2. FS: 06 Javelin Barolo...more info: (Emily Martini)
> 3. Bike and other stuff for sale (Doug Ollerenshaw)
> 4. FS TT Stuff (Jude and David Russell)
> 5. Tim Rich contact me (Jude and David Russell)
> 6. Cherry Pie lost coffee mug (Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis))
> 7. FS: NIB FSA K-Force Mega Exo 172.5 Cranks (Gordon Cumming)
> 8. Re: Omer Kem (david baker)
> 9. Eric Christiansen (J.Michael Manning)
> 10. Re: Omer Kem (Keith A. Prior)
> 11. Re: Signs as souvenirs (mike.murray@obra.org)
> 12. Re: Omer Kem (T. Kenji Sugahara)
> 13. Cherry Pie - Another set of photos (Tim Ehlers)
> 14. Wanted: wind trainer (kennettp@comcast.net)
> 15. Pink Santacruz Superlight (Camille Hook)
> 16. raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up. (uzideth@gmail.com)
> 17. Re: raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up. (Erik Voldengen)
> 18. Re: raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up. (Ted)
> 19. Question about Mary's Peak (P Kudszus)
> 20. Re: raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up. (EAL)
> 21. FS: 49cm Lemond (Kurt Ward)
> 22. Re: raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up. (gschreckchat@comcast.net)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:09:24 +0000
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> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Signs as souvenirs
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> Maybe they can be tethered to something (signpost, electrical pole...)
> with a cable or come with a spike that can be driven into the roadside
> gravel to make them at least a little harder to steal.
>
>
> --
> Brandon Reed
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> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Rick Johnson
> Maybe we should rig the signs with exploding die packs like they use in
> bank robberies...
> :-)
>
> Rick
>
>
> Robert Nobles wrote:
> (assuming they're not on foot, riding a bike or airborne)
>
> Kids on skateboards stole a sign from the Silverton Crit course a few
> years ago. You never know!
>
> "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)" wrote:
> Just wanted to let you folks know that we had two signs disappear from
> the road side at this weekend's Cherry Pie. At Independence and Ryals,
> one sign went away, and the sign crew put up another. It, too,
> disappeared.
>
> If you see anyone removing signs, please get a plate number and vehicle
> description (assuming they're not on foot, riding a bike or airborne).
>
> The sexy fabric "Bike Event Ahead" signs run $400-800...(I don't know
> yet, but it's a lot).
>
> The OBRA metal signs and tripods are in the neighborhood of $100/set to
> replace. We lost one of each of these types of signs.
>
> I know other promoters have had equipment removed and it has really hurt
> their ability to financially justify putting on these events.
>
> If you see signs being taken down, please feel free to write down plate
> numbers, descriptions, etc, and shoot them to the promoter.
>
> Thanks for your participation at the Cherry Pie, and we'll see you at
> the races!
>
> Jim Fischer
> Heather Paris
> Flying Puppy Racing
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> From: "Doug Ollerenshaw"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bike and other stuff for sale
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> Please, save me from being forced to deal with ebay. Buy this stuff:
>
> 2006 Cannondale Six-13 Carbon/Aluminum bike
> 59cm
> Full Dura-Ace with Reynolds Alta Comp wheels
> very lightly used
> email for more details
> $2,200.00
>
> Rudy Project "Kontact" helmet
> S/M, brand new in plastic wrapping
> Silver with green/orange Health Net team graphics
> $60.00
>
> Rudy Project "Murphy 80" sunglasses.
> with hard case
> still in the box
> $60.00
>
> Rudy Project "Skermo" sunglasses
> with hard case
> $50.00
>
> Rudy Project "Poonga" sunglasses
> with hard case
> $50.00
>
> And every type of Health Net clothing you can imagine:
> socks: brand new in packaging: $8.00/pair
> thermal jacket, wind jacket, wind vest, jerseys, arm warmers, etc. Sold
> for
> a good offer.
>
> Respond to this email if you're interested in anything.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:07:24 -0800
> From: Jude and David Russell
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS TT Stuff
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> Time trial items for sale:
>
> 1. Garneau Prologue V helmet. Size medium. Graphite color. Visor included.
> Excellent condition. $45.00
>
> 2. Profile Design "cow horn" bars. Size 44" $25.00
>
> 3. 3T clip on aero bars $ 40
>
> David
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:11:06 -0800
> From: Jude and David Russell
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tim Rich contact me
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> Tim,
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> Please send me your e-mail address.
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> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:56:02 -0000
> From: "Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cherry Pie lost coffee mug
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> clem.lacava@oregonstate.edu,
> "Monteleone, Maria L" , Brian
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> jerryheilman@consbio.org, kent@co-motion.com, "James, Pace"
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> "Stein, Charlie"
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> angela@timscarpet.com,
> "Cripe, Brian E" , Julie Forrest
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>
> If you left a coffee mug at registration, send me a description and
> we'll see if you can claim it.
>
> Fish
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:56:18 +0000
> From: tioflaco@comcast.net (Gordon Cumming)
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: NIB FSA K-Force Mega Exo 172.5 Cranks
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID:
> <
> 022020072256.29533.45DB7C920002012B0000735D2206824693010C0E040001079B@comcast.net
> >
>
>
> On Ebay they are going for about $360. I'll sell them for $325 and
> deliver to PDX or salem.
>
> Gordon
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Jude and David Russell
> > Time trial items for sale:
> >
> > 1. Garneau Prologue V helmet. Size medium. Graphite color. Visor
> included.
> > Excellent condition. $45.00
> >
> > 2. Profile Design "cow horn" bars. Size 44" $25.00
> >
> > 3. 3T clip on aero bars $ 40
> >
> > David
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:09:26 -0800
> From: "david baker"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
> To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ,
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <8CCA99E0FBD64C4FB68DDAA50681366D@davidPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Just a note to new members or forgetful ones.
> If a race is being televised many of us record and watch later, you do
> have
> the freedom to say what you want here but there is basically an agreement
> not to spoil race results, and breakaways can lead to wins(ocasionally).
> thank-you
> david
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
>
>
> > Omer is now off the front on a break of three with David McCann
> > (Colavita) and Christopher Laurent. (Credit Agricole)
> >
> > Live feed is giving them a lot of airtime.
> >
> > Whooooot!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:47 AM, rsheasby@bendcable.com wrote:
> >
> >> Omer had a tough day yesterday - let's hope his, and his team's,
> >> luck gets better!!!
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: obra-request@list.obra.org
> >> Date: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:00 pm
> >> Subject: OBRA Digest, Vol 14, Issue 18
> >>
> >>> Send OBRA mailing list submissions to
> >>> obra@list.obra.org
> >>>
> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>> obra-request@list.obra.org
> >>>
> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>> obra-owner@list.obra.org
> >>>
> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>> than "Re: Contents of OBRA digest..."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Today's Topics:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Re: Tour of CA (david baker)
> >>> 2. WTB - a rim (Joseph King)
> >>> 3. FS: Ultegra BB (Meg Mautner)
> >>> 4. Track wheels for sale (Joe Cipale)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:59:05 -0800
> >>> From: "david baker"
> >>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tour of CA
> >>> To: "Omer Kem" ,
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>
> >>> Good luck,
> >>> 2:00 tomorrow on versus!
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Omer Kem
> >>> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:45 AM
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tour of CA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hey out there in OBRA land. I am going to be participating in
> >>> the Tour of CA that starts on Sunday. Everyone be sure to check
> >>> out the TV coverage of the event and cheer for my Priority
> >>> Health/Bissell teammates and myself. We will be doing daily
> >>> updates at www.teampriorityhealth.com and also
> >>> www.omerkem.blogspot.com. Thanks for the support!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Omer
> >>>
> >>> omerkem.blogspot.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> -----------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> OBRA mailing list
> >>> obra@list.obra.org
> >>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> >>> attachment.html
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:21:02 -0800 (PST)
> >>> From: Joseph King
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB - a rim
> >>> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >>> Message-ID: <103111.15652.qm@web52103.mail.yahoo.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>
> >>> I busted the rim on my rain bike and need a new one. It's a Mavic
> >>> Open Pro. I'm looking for something round, durable and cheap.
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------
> >>> Looking for earth-friendly autos?
> >>> Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> >>> attachment.htm
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 3
> >>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:53:28 -0800
> >>> From: Meg Mautner
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Ultegra BB
> >>> To: OBRA
> >>> Message-ID: <4537190B-E66F-42BF-AD84-5D9476907F1F@comcast.net>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> >>>
> >>> New, never installed splined Ultegra BB. English thread (110 x
> >>> 68),
> >>> model 6500. $40 or make offer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 4
> >>> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:40:06 +0000
> >>> From: Joe Cipale
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Track wheels for sale
> >>> To: OBRA
> >>> Message-ID: <45D83B16.1010906@aracnet.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> >>>
> >>> I have a couple of wheels looking for a good home. Since I no
> >>> longer
> >>> ride the track anymore, I would like to see them go to someone who
> >>> can
> >>> use them.
> >>>
> >>> 1 - Older nodel track Disc wheel. Comes with tubular tire already
> >>> mounted, but will need to br remounted. This is a good solid wheel.
> >>>
> >>> 2 - Wolber-built radially laced tubular. It has a broken spoke but
> >>> it
> >>> can be fixed and raced.
> >>>
> >>> I used both of these in Kilo and Pursuit events. Make an offer.
> >>> May even
> >>> make a two-fer deal on both.
> >>>
> >>> Joe Cipale
> >>> --
> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>> ~ Certified Linux User: #309247 ~
> >>> ~ For more information, Go to: http://counter.li.org ~
> >>> ~--------------------------------------------------------------~
> >>> ~ Maximum Evil? Aisle 3, all the way to the end on the lower ~
> >>> ~ left. Look for the Pink box with the picture of the Koala ~
> >>> ~ Bear on it... ~
> >>> ~--------------------------------------------------------------~
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> OBRA mailing list
> >>> obra@list.obra.org
> >>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> End of OBRA Digest, Vol 14, Issue 18
> >>> ************************************
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OBRA mailing list
> >> obra@list.obra.org
> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
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> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:53:07 -0800
> From: "J.Michael Manning"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Eric Christiansen
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <45db89e33dc43_39a15ba6869a2207b2@lizard.tmail>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Contact me.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:17:21 -0800
> From: "Keith A. Prior"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
> To:
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I agree but, as this isn't a perfect world and as this less than perfect
> world does not revolve around me I always impose upon myself a media
> blackout including
> and especially OBRA list when I don't want to 'know what happened'
>
> That three weeks in July is real tough without OBRA chat lemmie tell ya!
> ;)
>
> -K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]On
> Behalf Of david baker
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:09 PM
> To: T. Kenji Sugahara; rsheasby@bendcable.com
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
>
>
> Just a note to new members or forgetful ones.
> If a race is being televised many of us record and watch later, you do
> have
> the freedom to say what you want here but there is basically an agreement
> not to spoil race results, and breakaways can lead to wins(ocasionally).
> thank-you
> david
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
>
>
> > Omer is now off the front on a break of three with David McCann
> > (Colavita) and Christopher Laurent. (Credit Agricole)
> >
> > Live feed is giving them a lot of airtime.
> >
> > Whooooot!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:47 AM, rsheasby@bendcable.com wrote:
> >
> >> Omer had a tough day yesterday - let's hope his, and his team's,
> >> luck gets better!!!
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: obra-request@list.obra.org
> >> Date: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:00 pm
> >> Subject: OBRA Digest, Vol 14, Issue 18
> >>
> >>> Send OBRA mailing list submissions to
> >>> obra@list.obra.org
> >>>
> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>> obra-request@list.obra.org
> >>>
> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>> obra-owner@list.obra.org
> >>>
> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>> than "Re: Contents of OBRA digest..."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Today's Topics:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Re: Tour of CA (david baker)
> >>> 2. WTB - a rim (Joseph King)
> >>> 3. FS: Ultegra BB (Meg Mautner)
> >>> 4. Track wheels for sale (Joe Cipale)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:59:05 -0800
> >>> From: "david baker"
> >>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tour of CA
> >>> To: "Omer Kem" ,
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>
> >>> Good luck,
> >>> 2:00 tomorrow on versus!
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Omer Kem
> >>> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:45 AM
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tour of CA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hey out there in OBRA land. I am going to be participating in
> >>> the Tour of CA that starts on Sunday. Everyone be sure to check
> >>> out the TV coverage of the event and cheer for my Priority
> >>> Health/Bissell teammates and myself. We will be doing daily
> >>> updates at www.teampriorityhealth.com and also
> >>> www.omerkem.blogspot.com. Thanks for the support!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Omer
> >>>
> >>> omerkem.blogspot.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> -----------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> OBRA mailing list
> >>> obra@list.obra.org
> >>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> >>> URL:
> >>> http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070217/8543fdd3/
> >>> attachment.html
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:21:02 -0800 (PST)
> >>> From: Joseph King
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB - a rim
> >>> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >>> Message-ID: <103111.15652.qm@web52103.mail.yahoo.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>
> >>> I busted the rim on my rain bike and need a new one. It's a Mavic
> >>> Open Pro. I'm looking for something round, durable and cheap.
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------
> >>> Looking for earth-friendly autos?
> >>> Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> >>> URL:
> >>> http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070217/bc13f0c1/
> >>> attachment.htm
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 3
> >>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:53:28 -0800
> >>> From: Meg Mautner
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Ultegra BB
> >>> To: OBRA
> >>> Message-ID: <4537190B-E66F-42BF-AD84-5D9476907F1F@comcast.net>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> >>>
> >>> New, never installed splined Ultegra BB. English thread (110 x
> >>> 68),
> >>> model 6500. $40 or make offer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 4
> >>> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:40:06 +0000
> >>> From: Joe Cipale
> >>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Track wheels for sale
> >>> To: OBRA
> >>> Message-ID: <45D83B16.1010906@aracnet.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> >>>
> >>> I have a couple of wheels looking for a good home. Since I no
> >>> longer
> >>> ride the track anymore, I would like to see them go to someone who
> >>> can
> >>> use them.
> >>>
> >>> 1 - Older nodel track Disc wheel. Comes with tubular tire already
> >>> mounted, but will need to br remounted. This is a good solid wheel.
> >>>
> >>> 2 - Wolber-built radially laced tubular. It has a broken spoke but
> >>> it
> >>> can be fixed and raced.
> >>>
> >>> I used both of these in Kilo and Pursuit events. Make an offer.
> >>> May even
> >>> make a two-fer deal on both.
> >>>
> >>> Joe Cipale
> >>> --
> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>> ~ Certified Linux User: #309247 ~
> >>> ~ For more information, Go to: http://counter.li.org ~
> >>> ~--------------------------------------------------------------~
> >>> ~ Maximum Evil? Aisle 3, all the way to the end on the lower ~
> >>> ~ left. Look for the Pink box with the picture of the Koala ~
> >>> ~ Bear on it... ~
> >>> ~--------------------------------------------------------------~
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> OBRA mailing list
> >>> obra@list.obra.org
> >>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> End of OBRA Digest, Vol 14, Issue 18
> >>> ************************************
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OBRA mailing list
> >> obra@list.obra.org
> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:50:00 -0500
> From: "mike.murray@obra.org"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Signs as souvenirs
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <380-2200723210500295@M2W045.mail2web.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> No, OBRA does not offer insurance against loss of race equipment. To my
> knowledge, such an insurance product is not available. If it was
> available
> the cost would be high as most races lose something. The loss of 2 signs
> is not actually very unusual. Signs are the most common thing
> lost. After
> that is radios. Jim's point is a good one; if you see someone taking a
> race sign down they are probably stealing it. You should do the same
> thing
> that you would do if you saw someone stealing anything else. I suspect
> that most radios are not actually stolen but "forgotten". If you have one
> of these, just give it back. We will be happy, not pissed off. For what
> it is worth, signs and radios are not the only things that goes missing.
> OBRA has had several generators stolen, as well as video camera, tents, PS
> systems, etc. Basically anything not nailed down has been stolen.
>
> I have, in the past, looked at insuring the OBRA equipment against theft
> and damage. It would be possible to insure it while at the velodrome, but
> not while out at races. Occasionally loss of equipment has been covered
> by
> the race orgsanizer's home owner's insurance, but generally not. The
> bottom line is that insurance is not the answer, loss prevention is. You
> need to help. If you see OBRA equipment going somewhere it does not
> belong
> intervene and get information back to us.
>
> OBRA charges race organizers for these losses. This is really the only
> way
> that OBRA can deal with this. If the cost of the loss is large collecting
> this can be difficult since it often will come out of the race organizer's
> own pocket. The cost of these losses and, more importantly, the risk of
> sustaining such a loss is something that inhibits the production of races
> and increases the cost to race organizers. Ultimately this comes back to
> members as increased entry fees.
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: MathewB@dowa.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:53:28 -0800
> To: jim.fischer@hp.com, obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Signs as souvenirs
>
>
> This seems to be a reoccurring theme, is there anything that can be done
> to shift this paradigm, sans posting a volunteer at every sign?
>
> Does obra offer race material insurance?
>
> mathew braun
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:50 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Signs as souvenirs
>
> Just wanted to let you folks know that we had two signs disappear from
> the road side at this weekend's Cherry Pie. At Independence and Ryals,
> one sign went away, and the sign crew put up another. It, too,
> disappeared.
>
> If you see anyone removing signs, please get a plate number and vehicle
> description (assuming they're not on foot, riding a bike or airborne).
>
> The sexy fabric "Bike Event Ahead" signs run $400-800...(I don't know
> yet, but it's a lot).
>
> The OBRA metal signs and tripods are in the neighborhood of $100/set to
> replace. We lost one of each of these types of signs.
>
> I know other promoters have had equipment removed and it has really hurt
> their ability to financially justify putting on these events.
>
> If you see signs being taken down, please feel free to write down plate
> numbers, descriptions, etc, and shoot them to the promoter.
>
> Thanks for your participation at the Cherry Pie, and we'll see you at
> the races!
>
> Jim Fischer
> Heather Paris
> Flying Puppy Racing
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
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>
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:29:38 -0800
> From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
> To: "Keith A. Prior"
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> OMG! I got so excited with Omer that I totally forgot.
>
> Either way, you're in for a special treat in a 1/2 hour.
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Keith A. Prior wrote:
>
> > I agree but, as this isn't a perfect world and as this less than
> > perfect
> > world does not revolve around me I always impose upon myself a media
> > blackout including
> > and especially OBRA list when I don't want to 'know what happened'
> >
> > That three weeks in July is real tough without OBRA chat lemmie
> > tell ya! ;)
> >
> > -K
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]On
> > Behalf Of david baker
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:09 PM
> > To: T. Kenji Sugahara; rsheasby@bendcable.com
> > Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
> >
> >
> > Just a note to new members or forgetful ones.
> > If a race is being televised many of us record and watch later, you
> > do have
> > the freedom to say what you want here but there is basically an
> > agreement
> > not to spoil race results, and breakaways can lead to wins
> > (ocasionally).
> > thank-you
> > david
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> > To:
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Omer Kem
> >
> >
> >> Omer is now off the front on a break of three with David McCann
> >> (Colavita) and Christopher Laurent. (Credit Agricole)
> >>
> >> Live feed is giving them a lot of airtime.
> >>
> >> Whooooot!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:47 AM, rsheasby@bendcable.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Omer had a tough day yesterday - let's hope his, and his team's,
> >>> luck gets better!!!
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: obra-request@list.obra.org
> >>> Date: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:00 pm
> >>> Subject: OBRA Digest, Vol 14, Issue 18
> >>>
> >>>> Send OBRA mailing list submissions to
> >>>> obra@list.obra.org
> >>>>
> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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> >>>> 1. Re: Tour of CA (david baker)
> >>>> 2. WTB - a rim (Joseph King)
> >>>> 3. FS: Ultegra BB (Meg Mautner)
> >>>> 4. Track wheels for sale (Joe Cipale)
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> >>>> Message: 1
> >>>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:59:05 -0800
> >>>> From: "david baker"
> >>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tour of CA
> >>>> To: "Omer Kem" ,
> >>>> Message-ID:
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> >>>> Good luck,
> >>>> 2:00 tomorrow on versus!
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Omer Kem
> >>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:45 AM
> >>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tour of CA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey out there in OBRA land. I am going to be participating in
> >>>> the Tour of CA that starts on Sunday. Everyone be sure to check
> >>>> out the TV coverage of the event and cheer for my Priority
> >>>> Health/Bissell teammates and myself. We will be doing daily
> >>>> updates at www.teampriorityhealth.com and also
> >>>> www.omerkem.blogspot.com. Thanks for the support!!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Omer
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> >>>> Message: 2
> >>>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:21:02 -0800 (PST)
> >>>> From: Joseph King
> >>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB - a rim
> >>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >>>> Message-ID: <103111.15652.qm@web52103.mail.yahoo.com>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>>
> >>>> I busted the rim on my rain bike and need a new one. It's a Mavic
> >>>> Open Pro. I'm looking for something round, durable and cheap.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe
> >>>>
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> >>>> Message: 3
> >>>> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:53:28 -0800
> >>>> From: Meg Mautner
> >>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Ultegra BB
> >>>> To: OBRA
> >>>> Message-ID: <4537190B-E66F-42BF-AD84-5D9476907F1F@comcast.net>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes;
> >>>> format=flowed
> >>>>
> >>>> New, never installed splined Ultegra BB. English thread (110 x
> >>>> 68),
> >>>> model 6500. $40 or make offer.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 4
> >>>> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:40:06 +0000
> >>>> From: Joe Cipale
> >>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Track wheels for sale
> >>>> To: OBRA
> >>>> Message-ID: <45D83B16.1010906@aracnet.com>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a couple of wheels looking for a good home. Since I no
> >>>> longer
> >>>> ride the track anymore, I would like to see them go to someone who
> >>>> can
> >>>> use them.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1 - Older nodel track Disc wheel. Comes with tubular tire already
> >>>> mounted, but will need to br remounted. This is a good solid wheel.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2 - Wolber-built radially laced tubular. It has a broken spoke but
> >>>> it
> >>>> can be fixed and raced.
> >>>>
> >>>> I used both of these in Kilo and Pursuit events. Make an offer.
> >>>> May even
> >>>> make a two-fer deal on both.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe Cipale
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:53:34 -0800
> From: Tim Ehlers
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cherry Pie - Another set of photos
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <45dbd04e1c994_39a15ba6883a5f883d@lizard.tmail>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hello Folks!
> I have added my set of photos out for viewing and/or purchase of the
> recent Cherry Pie Races. It is broken out to AM and PM races and follows
> pretty much in order of the start groups.
>
> If you would like to purchase a photo or two, please locate the cart
> button above the photo you are view and let 'Smugmug' guide you through the
> process and the pricing. You can put as many photos/copies in your cart.
>
> Thanks for going out and kicking the racing season in gear and hope
> everyone has a fantastic season. It's early though!
>
> Also would like to say thanks for those who have purchased photos from my
> limited OBRA shootings. I appreciate your business and any feedback you
> give.
>
> Thanks for reading and viewing!
>
> Tim Ehlers
> TRE Photography
> www.trephotos.com
>
> http://trephotos.smugmug.com/OBRA-Bicycle%20Racing
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:18:48 +0000
> From: kennettp@comcast.net
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Wanted: wind trainer
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID:
> <
> 022120070618.20249.45DBE448000D679F00004F1922070216339F9B9B0A02020A05@comcast.net
> >
>
>
> Im looking for an old (or new) wind trainer. Im tired of using a magnet
> trainer.
>
> kennett
>
> 971-235-5488
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:05:49 -0800
> From: Camille Hook
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pink Santacruz Superlight
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <45dbef4d8a72f_3a015bcef78c0dc1297@lizard.tmail>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Frame size Large with Fox Float R suspension
> Groupset; Shimano XT/XTR derailleurs and 9sp cassette with Deore LX Dual
> control Levers and Hallowtech crankset
> Forks: Rock Shocx Reba air Uturn
> Breaks: Shimano BH59 hydraulic disc breaks with SMRT-62 centre lock
> rotors
> Wheels: Mavic 717 disc rims with Shimano M585 hub
> Finishing set: Chris King Headset ,Easton EA50 stem & bars Easton EA90
> carbon seatpost, WTB rocket stealth saddle
>
> Also includes
> 1pair 2.3 continental vertical tyres
> 1pair 2.1 panaracer Fire XCpro tubless tyres
> 8 Bontrager tubes
> Shock pump (original with forks)
> 1x new sram PC971 chain
>
> Price $1800 OBO
>
> email for pictures
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:01:06 -0800
> From: uzideth@gmail.com
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID:
> <3f1755ca0702210001lb59d4aex7435e2be02544857@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Let the naysayers naaaaayyyyyyyyyy.
>
> raceOregon.blogspot.com
>
> I could use a few pictures of the race. I've had a hard time lifting
> them from the oregonvelo page.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:21:05 -0800
> From: "Erik Voldengen"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
> To:
> Message-ID: <082601c755cb$ebd0cc00$0401a8c0@blue>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Nice recap.
>
> Of course you wouldn't "lift" a photo from a professional photographer,
> right? Especially for a public website?
>
> -Erik
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of uzideth@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:01 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
>
> Let the naysayers naaaaayyyyyyyyyy.
>
> raceOregon.blogspot.com
>
> I could use a few pictures of the race. I've had a hard time lifting
> them from the oregonvelo page.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:54:05 -0800
> From: "Ted"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
> To: ,
> Message-ID: <000901c755d0$83d7e070$0b00a8c0@Ted>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> With all due respect, I should mention that attempting to "lift" an image
> from Shane's site is attempted theft. Please do not steal images from
> photographers. Are the images currently displayed on your site yours? If
> not, is your current use of these images authorized by the photographers?
>
>
>
> I'm sure Shane would be happy to sell you a rights-managed usage license
> for
> any image you like. You are the end-user of a copyrighted photo and as
> such, you have the legal responsibility to obtain permission to use the
> photo before doing so. Permission is usually granted with a usage license
> from the copyright holder.
>
>
>
> Here's a price quote for a standard stock cycling image from the Alamy.com
> pricing calculator; I selected values that would most likely apply to the
> terms of use on your blog:
>
>
>
> Image use: editorial
>
> Details of that use: editorial-online
>
> Image size: up to 1/4 screen
>
> Placement: secondary screen
>
> Duration: 6 months
>
> Territory: Region (PNW)
>
> Product industry: Personal Use Only (blog)
>
> Industry details: Personal Use Only (blog)
>
> Price: $200
>
>
>
> If you wanted to use the image for a year on your front page at 1/2 page
> size or larger, then the personal use license would be $680, again based
> on
> pricing from a mid-level stock agency like Alamy. Now, don't get me
> started on all of the microstock agencies that sell licenses for $1. (They
> are partly to blame for the drastic drop in the value of photography over
> the last several years.)
>
>
>
> Shane would likely quote you a lower price than the example I used above.
> But I think you get the point - photos are not free. Also realize that
> the
> license fees from local photographers for OBRA images (including mine) are
> extremely low; far lower than required to meet expenses and make a profit.
>
>
>
> If a race promoter or OBRA were to actually hire a freelance photographer
> for exclusive coverage of an event, then the fee would likely be similar
> to
> what an experienced and established wedding photographer would charge:
>
> - Expenses (e.g., travel): $100+
>
> - Creative Fee: $80-100/hr for 6 hours of shooting at the venue
>
> - Post-processing Fee: 8 hours (usually many more) for processing the
> 1,000-1,500 RAW images (culling, cropping, exposure/color corrections,
> resizing for web display, archiving, exporting to TIFF for Photoshop edits
> or directly to JPEG) at $40-$60/hour
>
> - Image licensing: depends on the use, but could be in the $1,000s
>
>
>
> A few resources:
>
> http://www.editorialphoto.com/resources/
>
> http://www.editorialphoto.com/copyright/
>
> http://www.editorialphoto.com/resources/value_of_photography.asp
>
>
>
> You can also access editorial photo pricing software (e.g., FotoQuote,
> which
> I use) here:
>
> http://www.asmp.org/commerce/estimator.php
>
>
> ~ Ted Turner
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:01 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
>
>
> > Let the naysayers naaaaayyyyyyyyyy.
> >
> > raceOregon.blogspot.com
> >
> > I could use a few pictures of the race. I've had a hard time lifting
> > them from the oregonvelo page.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:09:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: P Kudszus
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Question about Mary's Peak
> To: OBRA
> Message-ID: <20070221170922.40961.qmail@web53711.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Does anyone know who I can contact for conditions on
> the roadway up to and also the parking lot on top of
> Mary's Peak? Is there snow/ice at the top parking lot
> or?
>
> Thanks, PAT
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:18:40 -0800 (PST)
> From: EAL
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] raceOregon Cherry Pie recap up.
> To: Ted , obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <125745.79782.qm@web50504.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Well, actually it isn't theft at all, it's copyright infringement. Theft
> and infringment have completely completely different legal and historical
> roots. You are making the basic mistake of confusing the "thing" with the
> rights in the thing. For example, if I went into Shane's studio and took
> his hard copies of his photos or a disk with his digital photos that would
> be theft (of the thing) but it wouldn't be infringement. If I made
> unlicensed copies of his photos but didn't remove the originals from his
> studio that would be infringement becuase I would be exercising rights with
> respect to the thing that have been granted on an exclusive, but limited
> basis to Shane.
>
> It's copyright 101
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ted wrote:
> With all due respect, I should mention that attempting to "lift" an
> image
> from Shane's site is attempted theft. Please do not steal images from
> photographers. Are the images currently displayed on your site yours? If
> not, is your current use of these images authorized by the photographers?
>
>
>
> I'm sure Shane would be happy to sell you a rights-managed usage license
> fo
Were they Zipps? Because those are for lightweights only. Notice how they pucker at the spokes from tension that is barley adequate. On the other hand, I have seen FSA carbon wheels fracture from impact or crash and still finish a race.
That's just my personal observation.
----- Original Message -----
From: Erik Voldengen
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Carbon wheels
I know I have an unpopular opinion, but after seeing the carnage from last year's Banana Belt, I'll never ride carbon wheels in a mass start event. I saw a guy hit a pothole right in front of me, and his wheel literally folded 90 degrees. While I've broke metal wheels, I've never broke them like that.
Like the original poster, I'm close to 200 lbs. Sometimes being big means you shouldn't ride all the trick stuff out there.
-Erik
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To second Erik's point, at your weight I would not take too many chances. Also, at 200 lbs, lightweight wheels are not going to make much difference, if any, in climbing. Better to focus on reliability. If you want aerodynamic wheels such as Zipp 404's, either get the clydesdale wheels, or get the Zipp clinchers. With the clincher tires today, I doubt you will notice much difference, and because the Zipp clinchers have aluminium rims, they are stronger. They are a bit heavier than the tubulars that are all carbon, but as I said, I doubt that the extra wheel weight is the reason why you will ever get dropped on a climb when you are competing against 150 lb climbers.
Lat year I blew a brand new tubular in the first use, and watched $80 go away. The year before, i hit a pothole and broker both the front and rear carbon rim. Foolishly, I raced another 40 miles on both broken wheels and finished the race, but when I took the tires off, the wheels fell apart. It appears that the tires were the only thing holding the wheels together. I doubt that would have happened with aluminium rims.
I still buy a lot of all carbon wheels because I am a weight weenie depite my 182 lb weight, but I would not recommend that you do as I do.
--
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: ibis23@comcast.net
In cases such as myself- read heavy guys- it would appear the way to go is go with a "Clydesdale" type of wheel (extra spokes, etc.) to make up for the increased weight of the rider.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Long, Steve"
> Well, unless you consider Magnus Backsted weight it at over 200 lbs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Luciano bailey
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:00 AM
> To: erikv@erikv.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Carbon wheels
>
> Good point many assume they can employ the same gear as tour riders
> forgetting the biggest of these guys are only 160lbs.
>
>
>
> >From: "Erik Voldengen"
> >Reply-To: erikv@erikv.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Carbon wheels
> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:48:26 -0800
&g t; >
> >I know I have an unpopular opinion, but after seeing the carnage from
> last
> >year's Banana Belt, I'll never ride carbon wheels in a mass start
> event.
> >I
> >saw a guy hit a pothole right in front of me, and his wheel literally
> >folded
> >90 degrees. While I've broke metal wheels, I've never broke them like
> >that.
> >
> >
> >
> >Like the original poster, I'm close to 200 lbs. Sometimes being big
> means
> >you shouldn't ride all the trick stuff out there.
> >
> >
> >
> >-Erik
> >
>
>
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Zipp make a few clydesdale models, but I wouldn't know
anything about these. :) Post weight weenie hate mail
now.
--- "Long, Steve" wrote:
> Well, unless you consider Magnus Backsted weight it
> at over 200 lbs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Luciano bailey
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:00 AM
> To: erikv@erikv.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Carbon wheels
>
> Good point many assume they can employ the same gear
> as tour riders
> forgetting the biggest of these guys are only
> 160lbs.
>
>
>
> >From: "Erik Voldengen"
> >Reply-To: erikv@erikv.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Carbon wheels
> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:48:26 -0800
> >
> >I know I have an unpopular opinion, but after
> seeing the carnage from
> last
> >year's Banana Belt, I'll never ride carbon wheels
> in a mass start
> event.
> >I
> >saw a guy hit a pothole right in front of me, and
> his wheel literally
> >folded
> >90 degrees. While I've broke metal wheels, I've
> never broke them like
> >that.
> >
> >
> >
> >Like the original poster, I'm close to 200 lbs.
> Sometimes being big
> means
> >you shouldn't ride all the trick stuff out there.
> >
> >
> >
> >-Erik
> >
>
>
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In cases such as myself- read heavy guys- it would appear the way to go is go with a "Clydesdale" type of wheel (extra spokes, etc.) to make up for the increased weight of the rider.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Long, Steve"
> Well, unless you consider Magnus Backsted weight it at over 200 lbs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Luciano bailey
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:00 AM
> To: erikv@erikv.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Carbon wheels
>
> Good point many assume they can employ the same gear as tour riders
> forgetting the biggest of these guys are only 160lbs.
>
>
>
> >From: "Erik Voldengen"
> >Reply-To: erikv@erikv.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Carbon wheels
> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:48:26 -0800
> >
> >I know I have an unpopular opinion, but after seeing the carnage from
> last
> >year's Banana Belt, I'll never ride carbon wheels in a mass start
> event.
> >I
> >saw a guy hit a pothole right in front of me, and his wheel literally
> >folded
> >90 degrees. While I've broke metal wheels, I've never broke them like
> >that.
> >
> >
> >
> >Like the original poster, I'm close to 200 lbs. Sometimes being big
> means
> >you shouldn't ride all the trick stuff out there.
> >
> >
> >
> >-Erik
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Well, unless you consider Magnus Backsted weight it at over 200 lbs.
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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Luciano bailey
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:00 AM
To: erikv@erikv.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Carbon wheels
Good point many assume they can employ the same gear as tour riders
forgetting the biggest of these guys are only 160lbs.
>From: "Erik Voldengen"
>Reply-To: erikv@erikv.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Carbon wheels
>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:48:26 -0800
>
>I know I have an unpopular opinion, but after seeing the carnage from
last
>year's Banana Belt, I'll never ride carbon wheels in a mass start
event.
>I
>saw a guy hit a pothole right in front of me, and his wheel literally
>folded
>90 degrees. While I've broke metal wheels, I've never broke them like
>that.
>
>
>
>Like the original poster, I'm close to 200 lbs. Sometimes being big
means
>you shouldn't ride all the trick stuff out there.
>
>
>
>-Erik
>
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Good point many assume they can employ the same gear as tour riders
forgetting the biggest of these guys are only 160lbs.
>From: "Erik Voldengen"
>Reply-To: erikv@erikv.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Carbon wheels
>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:48:26 -0800
>
>I know I have an unpopular opinion, but after seeing the carnage from last
>year's Banana Belt, I'll never ride carbon wheels in a mass start event.
>I
>saw a guy hit a pothole right in front of me, and his wheel literally
>folded
>90 degrees. While I've broke metal wheels, I've never broke them like
>that.
>
>
>
>Like the original poster, I'm close to 200 lbs. Sometimes being big means
>you shouldn't ride all the trick stuff out there.
>
>
>
>-Erik
>
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I know I have an unpopular opinion, but after seeing the carnage from last
year's Banana Belt, I'll never ride carbon wheels in a mass start event. I
saw a guy hit a pothole right in front of me, and his wheel literally folded
90 degrees. While I've broke metal wheels, I've never broke them like that.
Like the original poster, I'm close to 200 lbs. Sometimes being big means
you shouldn't ride all the trick stuff out there.
-Erik
Please reply on list so the information can be shared....?
Pretty please!
Jack Walker
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I am interested in getting some carbon wheels and have been looking at a few
models. I know a lot of people out there are riding on carbon wheels, and I
was curious for some general feedback on your experiences.
I am looking at Mavic Carbones, Reynolds Stratus DV Clincher, Zipp 404, and
Shimano Dura-Ace wheels. I like the idea of ease of service of a clincher,
but have heard that the ride quality of a tubular makes a huge difference.
I weigh about 200lbs, so strong is good. I need to lose weight on my body
before I worry about the lightest set of wheels on the market. Thus,
reliability and strength are key.
Please reply off-list.
Thank you for your time.
Dave
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