luelling@comcast.net

"He has ordered all ProTour teams not to do Paris-Nice and dropped Paris-Nice from the ProTour calendar"

ASO dropped off the pro tour on purpose and went with the french national organization. UCI did not drop them, their "order" was an after the fact threat.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/feb07/feb24news
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From: "Dan H"

And I should care because...... why?
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From: Erik Voldengen
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

I believe Unibet was not invited because of a new French law prohibiting the advertisement of gambling institutions.

It?s silly, though, because there are two other teams supported by their country?s lottery. I guess Lotteries don?t count as gambling.

Hope they work it out?

-Erik

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Freyensee, James P
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:41 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

I don?t know if people have been following, but Pat McQuaid and the UCI is turning the whole racing world up-side down.

He has ordered all ProTour teams not to do Paris-Nice and dropped Paris-Nice from the ProTour calendar. This is a reaction from ASO (the organizers of Paris-Nice) turning down a request to include one of the ProTour teams, Ubinet. I don?t know the reason why Ubinet was turned down, but I do know a big sticking point between all the Grand Tours and the UCI is that the Grand Tours want to be able to invite a few local teams within their country, that these teams get totally shut out of any great race opportunity within that country because of the current ProTour rules.

Since this order by McQuaid, 6 teams have defied the order and said will compete in Paris-Nice: Rabbobank, Gerolsteiner, and all the French ProTour teams. Now Pat McQuaid has told these teams if they compete in Paris-Nice, they will be heavily fined.

Meanwhile, the ASO has thrown a Mike-Tyson-reverse-uppercut to the UCI and the whole cycling world, with this current stance: ?If the ProTour teams who originally accepted their invitation to Paris-Nice now turn it down, they will not be allowed to race in the Tour de France?.


I have been a fan for cycling for years, but this type of stuff makes me really tune-out the sport.

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And I should care because...... why?
----- Original Message -----
From: Erik Voldengen
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

I believe Unibet was not invited because of a new French law prohibiting the advertisement of gambling institutions.

It's silly, though, because there are two other teams supported by their country's lottery. I guess Lotteries don't count as gambling.

Hope they work it out.

-Erik

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Freyensee, James P
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:41 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

I don't know if people have been following, but Pat McQuaid and the UCI is turning the whole racing world up-side down.

He has ordered all ProTour teams not to do Paris-Nice and dropped Paris-Nice from the ProTour calendar. This is a reaction from ASO (the organizers of Paris-Nice) turning down a request to include one of the ProTour teams, Ubinet. I don't know the reason why Ubinet was turned down, but I do know a big sticking point between all the Grand Tours and the UCI is that the Grand Tours want to be able to invite a few local teams within their country, that these teams get totally shut out of any great race opportunity within that country because of the current ProTour rules.

Since this order by McQuaid, 6 teams have defied the order and said will compete in Paris-Nice: Rabbobank, Gerolsteiner, and all the French ProTour teams. Now Pat McQuaid has told these teams if they compete in Paris-Nice, they will be heavily fined.

Meanwhile, the ASO has thrown a Mike-Tyson-reverse-uppercut to the UCI and the whole cycling world, with this current stance: "If the ProTour teams who originally accepted their invitation to Paris-Nice now turn it down, they will not be allowed to race in the Tour de France".

I have been a fan for cycling for years, but this type of stuff makes me really tune-out the sport.

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Actually, we do the same. State lotteries are legal in the U.S., but not online gambling. Recently, the CEO of a British on-line gambling site was arrested when he arrived in the U.S. on a layover of an international flight. Also, it is illegal to advertise them in the U.S. or for credit card companies in the U.S. to process any transactions between them an U.S. residents.

They were allowed to race in France, but they had to wear jerseys without the name of the sponsor.

Of course, the issue regarding participation in races has nothing to do with betting, other than the fact that the parties appear to be betting the future of cycling as a professional sport.

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George Schreck
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Joe Cipale"

> And the Euros accuse the US of having funny ideas on morality...
>
> Pot-kettle-black, no?
>
> Joe
>
> Erik Voldengen wrote:
>
> > I believe Unibet was not invited because of a new French law prohibiting the
> > advertisement of gambling institutions.
> >
> >
> >
> > It's silly, though, because there are two other teams supported by their
> > country's lottery. I guess Lotteries don't count as gambling.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hope they work it out.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Erik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > Behalf Of Freyensee, James P
> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:41 AM
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know if people have been following, but Pat McQuaid and the UCI is
> > turning the whole racing world up-side down.
> >
> >
> >
> > He has ordered all ProTour teams not to do Paris-Nice and dropped Paris-Nice
> > from the ProTour calendar. This is a reaction from ASO (the organizers of
> > Paris-Nice) turning down a request to include one of the ProTour teams,
> > Ubinet. I don't know the reason why Ubinet was turned down, but I do know a
> > big sticking point between all the Grand Tours and the UCI is that the Grand
> > Tours want to be able to invite a few local teams within their country, that
> > these teams get totally shut out of any great race opportunity within that
> > country because of the current ProTour rules.
> >
> >
> >
> > Since this order by McQuaid, 6 teams have defied the order and said will
> > compete in Paris-Nice: Rabbobank, Gerolsteiner, and all the French ProTour
> > teams. Now Pat McQuaid has told these teams if they compete in Paris-Nice,
> > they will be heavily fined.
> >
> >
> >
> > Meanwhile, the ASO has thrown a Mike-Tyson-reverse-uppercut to the UCI and
> > the whole cycling world, with this current stance: "If the ProTour teams who
> > originally accepted their invitation to Paris-Nice now turn it down, they
> > will not be allowed to race in the Tour de France".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have been a fan for cycling for years, but this type of stuff makes me
> > really tune-out the sport.
>
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Brian Engelen

But it's so hard to do right. Now, Priority Health, that's sexy.

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Erik Voldengen
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:11 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

There's nothing wrong with green uniforms. I think they are very sexy, no?

-Erik

_____

From: Brian Engelen [mailto:bengelen@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:08 AM
To: erikv@erikv.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

Are you sure it isn't because they have ugly green uniforms? Have you seen
the green tights? Ho, Ho, Ho, Green Giant!

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Erik Voldengen
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:50 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

I believe Unibet was not invited because of a new French law prohibiting the
advertisement of gambling institutions.

It's silly, though, because there are two other teams supported by their
country's lottery. I guess Lotteries don't count as gambling.

Hope they work it out.

-Erik

Bruce Burke

However, the Tour de Georgia may not be happening, largely because of the fallout from the mess in Europe. They have major sponsorship problems, at the moment.

Bruce Burke
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Ford
To: james.p.freyensee@intel.com ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

Reading this story is like watching some one slit their own wrists. Nether
side will come out better than what they did going into it. Just as the
sport takes an up swing or gains a little momentum something like this rears
its ugly head.

On the bright side, things like this in Europe make the ToC, ToGeorgia, and
ToUtah look all the more attractive.

-Jason

>From: "Freyensee, James P" >
>To: >
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI
>Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:40:36 -0800
>
>I don't know if people have been following, but Pat McQuaid and the UCI
>is turning the whole racing world up-side down.
>
>
>
>He has ordered all ProTour teams not to do Paris-Nice and dropped
>Paris-Nice from the ProTour calendar. This is a reaction from ASO (the
>organizers of Paris-Nice) turning down a request to include one of the
>ProTour teams, Ubinet. I don't know the reason why Ubinet was turned
>down, but I do know a big sticking point between all the Grand Tours and
>the UCI is that the Grand Tours want to be able to invite a few local
>teams within their country, that these teams get totally shut out of any
>great race opportunity within that country because of the current
>ProTour rules.
>
>
>
>Since this order by McQuaid, 6 teams have defied the order and said will
>compete in Paris-Nice: Rabbobank, Gerolsteiner, and all the French
>ProTour teams. Now Pat McQuaid has told these teams if they compete in
>Paris-Nice, they will be heavily fined.
>
>
>
>Meanwhile, the ASO has thrown a Mike-Tyson-reverse-uppercut to the UCI
>and the whole cycling world, with this current stance: "If the ProTour
>teams who originally accepted their invitation to Paris-Nice now turn it
>down, they will not be allowed to race in the Tour de France".
>
>
>
>
>
>I have been a fan for cycling for years, but this type of stuff makes me
>really tune-out the sport.
>

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Jason Ford

Reading this story is like watching some one slit their own wrists. Nether
side will come out better than what they did going into it. Just as the
sport takes an up swing or gains a little momentum something like this rears
its ugly head.

On the bright side, things like this in Europe make the ToC, ToGeorgia, and
ToUtah look all the more attractive.

-Jason

>From: "Freyensee, James P"
>To:
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI
>Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:40:36 -0800
>
>I don't know if people have been following, but Pat McQuaid and the UCI
>is turning the whole racing world up-side down.
>
>
>
>He has ordered all ProTour teams not to do Paris-Nice and dropped
>Paris-Nice from the ProTour calendar. This is a reaction from ASO (the
>organizers of Paris-Nice) turning down a request to include one of the
>ProTour teams, Ubinet. I don't know the reason why Ubinet was turned
>down, but I do know a big sticking point between all the Grand Tours and
>the UCI is that the Grand Tours want to be able to invite a few local
>teams within their country, that these teams get totally shut out of any
>great race opportunity within that country because of the current
>ProTour rules.
>
>
>
>Since this order by McQuaid, 6 teams have defied the order and said will
>compete in Paris-Nice: Rabbobank, Gerolsteiner, and all the French
>ProTour teams. Now Pat McQuaid has told these teams if they compete in
>Paris-Nice, they will be heavily fined.
>
>
>
>Meanwhile, the ASO has thrown a Mike-Tyson-reverse-uppercut to the UCI
>and the whole cycling world, with this current stance: "If the ProTour
>teams who originally accepted their invitation to Paris-Nice now turn it
>down, they will not be allowed to race in the Tour de France".
>
>
>
>
>
>I have been a fan for cycling for years, but this type of stuff makes me
>really tune-out the sport.
>

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Erik Voldengen

There's nothing wrong with green uniforms. I think they are very sexy, no?

-Erik

_____

From: Brian Engelen [mailto:bengelen@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:08 AM
To: erikv@erikv.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

Are you sure it isn't because they have ugly green uniforms? Have you seen
the green tights? Ho, Ho, Ho, Green Giant!

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Erik Voldengen
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:50 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

I believe Unibet was not invited because of a new French law prohibiting the
advertisement of gambling institutions.

It's silly, though, because there are two other teams supported by their
country's lottery. I guess Lotteries don't count as gambling.

Hope they work it out.

-Erik

Brian Engelen

Are you sure it isn't because they have ugly green uniforms? Have you seen
the green tights? Ho, Ho, Ho, Green Giant!

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Erik Voldengen
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:50 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

I believe Unibet was not invited because of a new French law prohibiting the
advertisement of gambling institutions.

It's silly, though, because there are two other teams supported by their
country's lottery. I guess Lotteries don't count as gambling.

Hope they work it out.

-Erik

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Freyensee, James P
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:41 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

I don't know if people have been following, but Pat McQuaid and the UCI is
turning the whole racing world up-side down.

He has ordered all ProTour teams not to do Paris-Nice and dropped Paris-Nice
from the ProTour calendar. This is a reaction from ASO (the organizers of
Paris-Nice) turning down a request to include one of the ProTour teams,
Ubinet. I don't know the reason why Ubinet was turned down, but I do know a
big sticking point between all the Grand Tours and the UCI is that the Grand
Tours want to be able to invite a few local teams within their country, that
these teams get totally shut out of any great race opportunity within that
country because of the current ProTour rules.

Since this order by McQuaid, 6 teams have defied the order and said will
compete in Paris-Nice: Rabbobank, Gerolsteiner, and all the French ProTour
teams. Now Pat McQuaid has told these teams if they compete in Paris-Nice,
they will be heavily fined.

Meanwhile, the ASO has thrown a Mike-Tyson-reverse-uppercut to the UCI and
the whole cycling world, with this current stance: "If the ProTour teams who
originally accepted their invitation to Paris-Nice now turn it down, they
will not be allowed to race in the Tour de France".

I have been a fan for cycling for years, but this type of stuff makes me
really tune-out the sport.

Malcolm, Gary

The way I see it is that Pro Cycling is the greatest example of athletes
having no say over their own sport. Everyone in the peloton should just take
a seat on their respective front porches until the UCI, the ASO and all the
Anti-Doping agencies realize exactly who makes the pay day happen. Give Jens
Voigt the management position. Hell, doctor his birth certificate and make
him president.

And it's Unibet BTW.

Gary Malcolm

http://garysracing.blogspot.com/

_____

From: Freyensee, James P [mailto:james.p.freyensee@intel.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:41 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

I don't know if people have been following, but Pat McQuaid and the UCI is
turning the whole racing world up-side down.

He has ordered all ProTour teams not to do Paris-Nice and dropped Paris-Nice
from the ProTour calendar. This is a reaction from ASO (the organizers of
Paris-Nice) turning down a request to include one of the ProTour teams,
Ubinet. I don't know the reason why Ubinet was turned down, but I do know a
big sticking point between all the Grand Tours and the UCI is that the Grand
Tours want to be able to invite a few local teams within their country, that
these teams get totally shut out of any great race opportunity within that
country because of the current ProTour rules.

Since this order by McQuaid, 6 teams have defied the order and said will
compete in Paris-Nice: Rabbobank, Gerolsteiner, and all the French ProTour
teams. Now Pat McQuaid has told these teams if they compete in Paris-Nice,
they will be heavily fined.

Meanwhile, the ASO has thrown a Mike-Tyson-reverse-uppercut to the UCI and
the whole cycling world, with this current stance: "If the ProTour teams who
originally accepted their invitation to Paris-Nice now turn it down, they
will not be allowed to race in the Tour de France".

I have been a fan for cycling for years, but this type of stuff makes me
really tune-out the sport.

Joe Cipale

And the Euros accuse the US of having funny ideas on morality...

Pot-kettle-black, no?

Joe

Erik Voldengen wrote:

> I believe Unibet was not invited because of a new French law prohibiting the
> advertisement of gambling institutions.
>
>
>
> It's silly, though, because there are two other teams supported by their
> country's lottery. I guess Lotteries don't count as gambling.
>
>
>
> Hope they work it out.
>
>
>
> -Erik
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Freyensee, James P
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:41 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI
>
>
>
> I don't know if people have been following, but Pat McQuaid and the UCI is
> turning the whole racing world up-side down.
>
>
>
> He has ordered all ProTour teams not to do Paris-Nice and dropped Paris-Nice
> from the ProTour calendar. This is a reaction from ASO (the organizers of
> Paris-Nice) turning down a request to include one of the ProTour teams,
> Ubinet. I don't know the reason why Ubinet was turned down, but I do know a
> big sticking point between all the Grand Tours and the UCI is that the Grand
> Tours want to be able to invite a few local teams within their country, that
> these teams get totally shut out of any great race opportunity within that
> country because of the current ProTour rules.
>
>
>
> Since this order by McQuaid, 6 teams have defied the order and said will
> compete in Paris-Nice: Rabbobank, Gerolsteiner, and all the French ProTour
> teams. Now Pat McQuaid has told these teams if they compete in Paris-Nice,
> they will be heavily fined.
>
>
>
> Meanwhile, the ASO has thrown a Mike-Tyson-reverse-uppercut to the UCI and
> the whole cycling world, with this current stance: "If the ProTour teams who
> originally accepted their invitation to Paris-Nice now turn it down, they
> will not be allowed to race in the Tour de France".
>
>
>
>
>
> I have been a fan for cycling for years, but this type of stuff makes me
> really tune-out the sport.

Erik Voldengen

I believe Unibet was not invited because of a new French law prohibiting the
advertisement of gambling institutions.

It's silly, though, because there are two other teams supported by their
country's lottery. I guess Lotteries don't count as gambling.

Hope they work it out.

-Erik

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Freyensee, James P
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:41 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: Messy, messy UCI

I don't know if people have been following, but Pat McQuaid and the UCI is
turning the whole racing world up-side down.

He has ordered all ProTour teams not to do Paris-Nice and dropped Paris-Nice
from the ProTour calendar. This is a reaction from ASO (the organizers of
Paris-Nice) turning down a request to include one of the ProTour teams,
Ubinet. I don't know the reason why Ubinet was turned down, but I do know a
big sticking point between all the Grand Tours and the UCI is that the Grand
Tours want to be able to invite a few local teams within their country, that
these teams get totally shut out of any great race opportunity within that
country because of the current ProTour rules.

Since this order by McQuaid, 6 teams have defied the order and said will
compete in Paris-Nice: Rabbobank, Gerolsteiner, and all the French ProTour
teams. Now Pat McQuaid has told these teams if they compete in Paris-Nice,
they will be heavily fined.

Meanwhile, the ASO has thrown a Mike-Tyson-reverse-uppercut to the UCI and
the whole cycling world, with this current stance: "If the ProTour teams who
originally accepted their invitation to Paris-Nice now turn it down, they
will not be allowed to race in the Tour de France".

I have been a fan for cycling for years, but this type of stuff makes me
really tune-out the sport.

Freyensee, James P

I don't know if people have been following, but Pat McQuaid and the UCI
is turning the whole racing world up-side down.

He has ordered all ProTour teams not to do Paris-Nice and dropped
Paris-Nice from the ProTour calendar. This is a reaction from ASO (the
organizers of Paris-Nice) turning down a request to include one of the
ProTour teams, Ubinet. I don't know the reason why Ubinet was turned
down, but I do know a big sticking point between all the Grand Tours and
the UCI is that the Grand Tours want to be able to invite a few local
teams within their country, that these teams get totally shut out of any
great race opportunity within that country because of the current
ProTour rules.

Since this order by McQuaid, 6 teams have defied the order and said will
compete in Paris-Nice: Rabbobank, Gerolsteiner, and all the French
ProTour teams. Now Pat McQuaid has told these teams if they compete in
Paris-Nice, they will be heavily fined.

Meanwhile, the ASO has thrown a Mike-Tyson-reverse-uppercut to the UCI
and the whole cycling world, with this current stance: "If the ProTour
teams who originally accepted their invitation to Paris-Nice now turn it
down, they will not be allowed to race in the Tour de France".

I have been a fan for cycling for years, but this type of stuff makes me
really tune-out the sport.