Joe Cipale

Yabbba-dabba-doo - Fred Flintsone
gschreckchat wrote:

> It is never to early to do a "to do" about what to do.
>
> scooby dooby doo - Frank Sinatra
>
>
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Luciano bailey"
>
> > Genrally all the first statements to come from officials are warnings,
> > penalties only pointed out to pass on the severity of the rules. How many of
> > you can remember such a harsh suspension. It hasn't happened, truly the
> > lesson to be learned here is attention to detail when registering, and
> > maintaining the cooperation with regards to the task of results. The best of
> > OBRA is a race were the cameras did't work and the field places itself ,that
> > is the spirit that makes this such a haven for bike racing integrity.
> > Besides it's way to early in the year for all this to do about?
> >
> >
> > >From: "Candi Murray"
> > >Reply-To: cmurray@obra.org
> > >To: "'Rick Johnson'" ,
> > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
> > >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:52:25 -0800
> > >
> > >Good point. I will work on my delivery.
> > >
> > >Candi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > >From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RCJohnson1@attglobal.net]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:53 PM
> > >To: cmurray@obra.org
> > >Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >The following riders rode in the wrong category at the Banana Belt race on
> > >March
> > >4. The penalty for this is 30 days suspension.
> > >
> > >
> > >Maybe it was how you announced it - with the finality of an executioner!
> > >
> > >Rick
> > >
> > >
> > >Candi Murray wrote:
> > >
> > >I never handed out any suspensions. All I did was mention what the penalty
> > >would be.
> > >Geesh, give a old women a break.
> > >;-)
> > >Candi
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > >Behalf Of Greg Crane
> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:10 PM
> > >To: obra@list.obra.org
> > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
> > >
> > >Dick Pound is leaving WADA later this year, maybe OBRA
> > >could hire him. Then Candi won't have to be the bad
> > >ass handing out 30 day suspensions. I further purpose
> > >that from now on Candi be refereed to as "The Candi
> > >Hammer".
> > >
> > >Greg
> > >--- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Where does DNA testing fall in this? I feel as if
> > >you are leaving out an important item. Perhaps it
> > >is not even me who is registering for the race.
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >George Schreck
> > >gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > >(503) 502-0425
> > >
> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >From: "david baker"
> > >
> > >
> > >very good point George, and same goes for recording
> > >numbers on ebay.
> > >not goona happen, false numbers will be given all of
> > >the time.
> > >of course they could have you got to a documented
> > >ebay listing store to verify correct numbers,and
> > >list the item in the prescense of an officially
> > >notorized witness, and provide document verification
> > >upon shipment thru officially registered government
> > >certified shipment centers.etc...
> > >Race promoters would get to check that your numbers
> > >on the frame of the bike match the numbers that you
> > >put on the entry form, at the same time they are
> > >verifying your health insurance documentation.
> > >I am goona buy a single speed rigid bike and
> > >shut-up.
> > >I better go to bed , sorry I am tired.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > >To: Jay Rideout ; obra
> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
> > >
> > >
> > >Why would you expect the number on the form to be
> > >accurate in such a case?
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >George Schreck
> > >gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > >(503) 502-0425
> > >
> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >From: Jay Rideout
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >It seems we can't go very long with hearing or
> > >
> > >
> > >reading about somebody's bike
> > >
> > >
> > >getting stolen. With the setup and preperation
> > >
> > >
> > >time and money ($1000 to $6000
> > >
> > >
> > >with a few higher or lower) we each it is a
> > >
> > >
> > >devestating loss.
> > >
> > >
> > >I would like to propose that we include a
> > >
> > >
> > >make/model/serial number on our event
> > >
> > >
> > >registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA,
> > >
> > >
> > >WSBA, Cascade, and some of the
> > >
> > >
> > >other organizations it might create a deterent. If
> > >
> > >
> > >stolen numbers are listed
> > >
> > >
> > >with the various organizations and somebody
> > >
> > >
> > >registers with matching number it
> > >
> > >
> > >would help lead to property recovery.
> > >
> > >Just a thought,
> > >
> > >Jay
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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It is never to early to do a "to do" about what to do.

scooby dooby doo - Frank Sinatra

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Luciano bailey"

> Genrally all the first statements to come from officials are warnings,
> penalties only pointed out to pass on the severity of the rules. How many of
> you can remember such a harsh suspension. It hasn't happened, truly the
> lesson to be learned here is attention to detail when registering, and
> maintaining the cooperation with regards to the task of results. The best of
> OBRA is a race were the cameras did't work and the field places itself ,that
> is the spirit that makes this such a haven for bike racing integrity.
> Besides it's way to early in the year for all this to do about?
>
>
> >From: "Candi Murray"
> >Reply-To: cmurray@obra.org
> >To: "'Rick Johnson'" ,
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
> >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:52:25 -0800
> >
> >Good point. I will work on my delivery.
> >
> >Candi
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RCJohnson1@attglobal.net]
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:53 PM
> >To: cmurray@obra.org
> >Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
> >
> >
> >
> >The following riders rode in the wrong category at the Banana Belt race on
> >March
> >4. The penalty for this is 30 days suspension.
> >
> >
> >Maybe it was how you announced it - with the finality of an executioner!
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >
> >Candi Murray wrote:
> >
> >I never handed out any suspensions. All I did was mention what the penalty
> >would be.
> >Geesh, give a old women a break.
> >;-)
> >Candi
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> >Behalf Of Greg Crane
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:10 PM
> >To: obra@list.obra.org
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
> >
> >Dick Pound is leaving WADA later this year, maybe OBRA
> >could hire him. Then Candi won't have to be the bad
> >ass handing out 30 day suspensions. I further purpose
> >that from now on Candi be refereed to as "The Candi
> >Hammer".
> >
> >Greg
> >--- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >Where does DNA testing fall in this? I feel as if
> >you are leaving out an important item. Perhaps it
> >is not even me who is registering for the race.
> >
> >--
> >
> >George Schreck
> >gschreckchat@comcast.net
> >(503) 502-0425
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: "david baker"
> >
> >
> >very good point George, and same goes for recording
> >numbers on ebay.
> >not goona happen, false numbers will be given all of
> >the time.
> >of course they could have you got to a documented
> >ebay listing store to verify correct numbers,and
> >list the item in the prescense of an officially
> >notorized witness, and provide document verification
> >upon shipment thru officially registered government
> >certified shipment centers.etc...
> >Race promoters would get to check that your numbers
> >on the frame of the bike match the numbers that you
> >put on the entry form, at the same time they are
> >verifying your health insurance documentation.
> >I am goona buy a single speed rigid bike and
> >shut-up.
> >I better go to bed , sorry I am tired.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> >To: Jay Rideout ; obra
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AM
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
> >
> >
> >Why would you expect the number on the form to be
> >accurate in such a case?
> >
> >--
> >
> >George Schreck
> >gschreckchat@comcast.net
> >(503) 502-0425
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Jay Rideout
> >
> >
> >
> >It seems we can't go very long with hearing or
> >
> >
> >reading about somebody's bike
> >
> >
> >getting stolen. With the setup and preperation
> >
> >
> >time and money ($1000 to $6000
> >
> >
> >with a few higher or lower) we each it is a
> >
> >
> >devestating loss.
> >
> >
> >I would like to propose that we include a
> >
> >
> >make/model/serial number on our event
> >
> >
> >registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA,
> >
> >
> >WSBA, Cascade, and some of the
> >
> >
> >other organizations it might create a deterent. If
> >
> >
> >stolen numbers are listed
> >
> >
> >with the various organizations and somebody
> >
> >
> >registers with matching number it
> >
> >
> >would help lead to property recovery.
> >
> >Just a thought,
> >
> >Jay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_____________________________________________________________
> >
> >
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> >
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Luciano bailey

Genrally all the first statements to come from officials are warnings,
penalties only pointed out to pass on the severity of the rules. How many of
you can remember such a harsh suspension. It hasn't happened, truly the
lesson to be learned here is attention to detail when registering, and
maintaining the cooperation with regards to the task of results. The best of
OBRA is a race were the cameras did't work and the field places itself ,that
is the spirit that makes this such a haven for bike racing integrity.
Besides it's way to early in the year for all this to do about?

>From: "Candi Murray"
>Reply-To: cmurray@obra.org
>To: "'Rick Johnson'" ,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:52:25 -0800
>
>Good point. I will work on my delivery.
>
>Candi
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RCJohnson1@attglobal.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:53 PM
>To: cmurray@obra.org
>Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
>
>
>
>The following riders rode in the wrong category at the Banana Belt race on
>March
>4. The penalty for this is 30 days suspension.
>
>
>Maybe it was how you announced it - with the finality of an executioner!
>
>Rick
>
>
>Candi Murray wrote:
>
>I never handed out any suspensions. All I did was mention what the penalty
>would be.
>Geesh, give a old women a break.
>;-)
>Candi
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>Behalf Of Greg Crane
>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:10 PM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
>
>Dick Pound is leaving WADA later this year, maybe OBRA
>could hire him. Then Candi won't have to be the bad
>ass handing out 30 day suspensions. I further purpose
>that from now on Candi be refereed to as "The Candi
>Hammer".
>
>Greg
>--- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>
>Where does DNA testing fall in this? I feel as if
>you are leaving out an important item. Perhaps it
>is not even me who is registering for the race.
>
>--
>
>George Schreck
>gschreckchat@comcast.net
>(503) 502-0425
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "david baker"
>
>
>very good point George, and same goes for recording
>numbers on ebay.
>not goona happen, false numbers will be given all of
>the time.
>of course they could have you got to a documented
>ebay listing store to verify correct numbers,and
>list the item in the prescense of an officially
>notorized witness, and provide document verification
>upon shipment thru officially registered government
>certified shipment centers.etc...
>Race promoters would get to check that your numbers
>on the frame of the bike match the numbers that you
>put on the entry form, at the same time they are
>verifying your health insurance documentation.
>I am goona buy a single speed rigid bike and
>shut-up.
>I better go to bed , sorry I am tired.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
>To: Jay Rideout ; obra
>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
>
>
>Why would you expect the number on the form to be
>accurate in such a case?
>
>--
>
>George Schreck
>gschreckchat@comcast.net
>(503) 502-0425
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Jay Rideout
>
>
>
>It seems we can't go very long with hearing or
>
>
>reading about somebody's bike
>
>
>getting stolen. With the setup and preperation
>
>
>time and money ($1000 to $6000
>
>
>with a few higher or lower) we each it is a
>
>
>devestating loss.
>
>
>I would like to propose that we include a
>
>
>make/model/serial number on our event
>
>
>registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA,
>
>
>WSBA, Cascade, and some of the
>
>
>other organizations it might create a deterent. If
>
>
>stolen numbers are listed
>
>
>with the various organizations and somebody
>
>
>registers with matching number it
>
>
>would help lead to property recovery.
>
>Just a thought,
>
>Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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Joe Cipale

That title doesnt work with my spousal-unit - what makes you think candi will approve of it? ;)

Michael O'Hair wrote:

>
> How about "She Who Must Be Obeyed?"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Hoffman"
> To: ;
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
>
>
> > Can we still call you the "Candi Hammer" anyway?
> >
> > Thomas Hoffman
>
>
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Michael O'Hair

How about "She Who Must Be Obeyed?"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Hoffman"
To: ;
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

> Can we still call you the "Candi Hammer" anyway?
>
> Thomas Hoffman

gschreckchat@comcast.net

Some might say we have equally annoying personalities, so I might be able to pull it off.

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George Schreck
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(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Rick Johnson
Yea, one of these days George might hire Lance as a stand-in racer just to pad his BAR results...
:-)

gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
Where does DNA testing fall in this? I feel as if you are leaving out an important item. Perhaps it is not even me who is registering for the race.

--

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gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "david baker"

very good point George, and same goes for recording numbers on ebay.
not goona happen, false numbers will be given all of the time.
of course they could have you got to a documented ebay listing store to verify correct numbers,and list the item in the prescense of an officially notorized witness, and provide document verification upon shipment thru officially registered government certified shipment centers.etc...
Race promoters would get to check that your numbers on the frame of the bike match the numbers that you put on the entry form, at the same time they are verifying your health insurance documentation.
I am goona buy a single speed rigid bike and shut-up.
I better go to bed , sorry I am tired.
----- Original Message -----
From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
To: Jay Rideout ; obra
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Why would you expect the number on the form to be accurate in such a case?

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jay Rideout

> It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about somebody's bike
> getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time and money ($1000 to $6000
> with a few higher or lower) we each it is a devestating loss.
>
> I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number on our event
> registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA, Cascade, and some of the
> other organizations it might create a deterent. If stolen numbers are listed
> with the various organizations and somebody registers with matching number it
> would help lead to property recovery.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Jay
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:27 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

I never handed out any suspensions. All I did was mention what the penalty
would be.
Geesh, give a old women a break.
;-)
Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Crane
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:10 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Dick Pound is leaving WADA later this year, maybe OBRA
could hire him. Then Candi won't have to be the bad
ass handing out 30 day suspensions. I further purpose
that from now on Candi be refereed to as "The Candi
Hammer".

Greg
--- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:

> Where does DNA testing fall in this? I feel as if
> you are leaving out an important item. Perhaps it
> is not even me who is registering for the race.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "david baker"
>
> very good point George, and same goes for recording
> numbers on ebay.
> not goona happen, false numbers will be given all of
> the time.
> of course they could have you got to a documented
> ebay listing store to verify correct numbers,and
> list the item in the prescense of an officially
> notorized witness, and provide document verification
> upon shipment thru officially registered government
> certified shipment centers.etc...
> Race promoters would get to check that your numbers
> on the frame of the bike match the numbers that you
> put on the entry form, at the same time they are
> verifying your health insurance documentation.
> I am goona buy a single speed rigid bike and
> shut-up.
> I better go to bed , sorry I am tired.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> To: Jay Rideout ; obra
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
>
>
> Why would you expect the number on the form to be
> accurate in such a case?
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Jay Rideout
>
> > It seems we can't go very long with hearing or
> reading about somebody's bike
> > getting stolen. With the setup and preperation
> time and money ($1000 to $6000
> > with a few higher or lower) we each it is a
> devestating loss.
> >
> > I would like to propose that we include a
> make/model/serial number on our event
> > registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA,
> WSBA, Cascade, and some of the
> > other organizations it might create a deterent. If
> stolen numbers are listed
> > with the various organizations and somebody
> registers with matching number it
> > would help lead to property recovery.
> >
> > Just a thought,
> >
> > Jay
> >
> >
> >
> >
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Rideout
To: cmurray@obra.org ; Rick Johnson ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Talked to several people Wednesday evening on this subject and the conclusion was the same as what has been discussed here. It would just be to cumbersome. Besides insurnance, photo records and bill-of-sale records they felt that Jean Wending's idea of engraving your driver's license number on the frame was an effective up front deterent. Unfortunately, at that point, the bike is already stolen, but it would be harder to fence.

This exchange has changed the way I protect my private property and I appreciate the feedback.

Insurance "rider"? ; ) What a concept.

Thanx,
Jay

----- Original Message ----
From: Candi Murray
To: Rick Johnson ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 9:52:25 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Good point. I will work on my delivery.

Candi

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From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RCJohnson1@attglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:53 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

The following riders rode in the wrong category at the Banana Belt race on March4. The penalty for this is 30 days suspension.
Maybe it was how you announced it - with the finality of an executioner!

Rick

Candi Murray wrote:

I never handed out any suspensions. All I did was mention what the penaltywould be.Geesh, give a old women a break.;-)Candi -----Original Message-----From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] OnBehalf Of Greg CraneSent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:10 PMTo: obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to
consider Dick Pound is leaving WADA later this year, maybe OBRAcould hire him. Then Candi won't have to be the badass handing out 30 day suspensions. I further purposethat from now on Candi be refereed to as "The CandiHammer". Greg--- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote: Where does DNA testing fall in this? I feel as ifyou are leaving out an important item. Perhaps itis not even me who is registering for the race. -- George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "david baker" very good point George, and same goes for
recordingnumbers on ebay.not goona happen, false numbers will be given all ofthe time.of course they could have you got to a documentedebay listing store to verify correct numbers,andlist the item in the prescense of an officiallynotorized witness, and provide document
verificationupon shipment thru officially registered governmentcertified shipment centers.etc...Race promoters would get to check that your numberson the frame of the bike match the numbers that youput on the entry form, at the same time they areverifying your health insurance documentation.I
am goona buy a single speed rigid bike andshut-up.I better go to bed , sorry I am tired.----- Original Message ----- From: gschreckchat@comcast.net To: Jay Rideout ; obra Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AMSubject:
Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider Why would you expect the number on the form to beaccurate in such a case? -- George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425 -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jay Rideout It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about somebody's bike getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time and money ($1000 to $6000 with a few higher or lower) we each it is a devestating loss. I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number on our event registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA, Cascade, and some of the other organizations it might create a deterent. If stolen numbers are listed with the various organizations and somebody registers with matching number it would help lead to property recovery. Just a thought, Jay _____________________________________________________________ ______ _____________ ____ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org _______________________________________________OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org ____________________________________________________________________________________It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/_______________________________________________OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org _______________________________________________OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org _______________________________________________
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Talked to several people Wednesday evening on this subject and the conclusion was the same as what has been discussed here. It would just be to cumbersome. Besides insurnance, photo records and bill-of-sale records they felt that Jean Wending's idea of engraving your driver's license number on the frame was an effective up front deterent. Unfortunately, at that point, the bike is already stolen, but it would be harder to fence.

This exchange has changed the way I protect my private property and I appreciate the feedback.

Insurance "rider"? ; ) What a concept.

Thanx,
Jay

----- Original Message ----
From: Candi Murray
To: Rick Johnson ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 9:52:25 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Good point. I will work on my delivery.
Candi

From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RCJohnson1@attglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:53 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

The following riders rode in the wrong category at the Banana Belt race on March
4. The penalty for this is 30 days suspension.

Maybe it was how you announced it - with the finality of an executioner!

Rick

Candi Murray wrote:
I never handed out any suspensions. All I did was mention what the penalty
would be.
Geesh, give a old women a break.
;-)
Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Crane
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:10 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Dick Pound is leaving WADA later this year, maybe OBRA
could hire him. Then Candi won't have to be the bad
ass handing out 30 day suspensions. I further purpose
that from now on Candi be refereed to as "The Candi
Hammer".

Greg
--- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:


Where does DNA testing fall in this? I feel as if
you are leaving out an important item. Perhaps it
is not even me who is registering for the race.

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "david baker"

very good point George, and same goes for recording
numbers on ebay.
not goona happen, false numbers will be given all of
the time.
of course they could have you got to a documented
ebay listing store to verify correct numbers,and
list the item in the prescense of an officially
notorized witness, and provide document verification
upon shipment thru officially registered government
certified shipment centers.etc...
Race promoters would get to check that your numbers
on the frame of the bike match the numbers that you
put on the entry form, at the same time they are
verifying your health insurance documentation.
I am goona buy a single speed rigid bike and
shut-up.
I better go to bed , sorry I am tired.
----- Original Message -----
From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
To: Jay Rideout ; obra
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider


Why would you expect the number on the form to be
accurate in such a case?

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jay Rideout


It seems we can't go very long with hearing or

reading about somebody's bike

getting stolen. With the setup and preperation

time and money ($1000 to $6000

with a few higher or lower) we each it is a

devestating loss.

I would like to propose that we include a

make/model/serial number on our event

registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA,

WSBA, Cascade, and some of the

other organizations it might create a deterent. If

stolen numbers are listed

with the various organizations and somebody

registers with matching number it

would help lead to property recovery.

Just a thought,

Jay





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From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RCJohnson1@attglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:53 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

The following riders rode in the wrong category at the Banana Belt race on
March
4. The penalty for this is 30 days suspension.

Maybe it was how you announced it - with the finality of an executioner!

Rick

Candi Murray wrote:

I never handed out any suspensions. All I did was mention what the penalty
would be.
Geesh, give a old women a break.
;-)
Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Crane
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:10 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Dick Pound is leaving WADA later this year, maybe OBRA
could hire him. Then Candi won't have to be the bad
ass handing out 30 day suspensions. I further purpose
that from now on Candi be refereed to as "The Candi
Hammer".

Greg
--- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:

Where does DNA testing fall in this? I feel as if
you are leaving out an important item. Perhaps it
is not even me who is registering for the race.

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "david baker"


very good point George, and same goes for recording
numbers on ebay.
not goona happen, false numbers will be given all of
the time.
of course they could have you got to a documented
ebay listing store to verify correct numbers,and
list the item in the prescense of an officially
notorized witness, and provide document verification
upon shipment thru officially registered government
certified shipment centers.etc...
Race promoters would get to check that your numbers
on the frame of the bike match the numbers that you
put on the entry form, at the same time they are
verifying your health insurance documentation.
I am goona buy a single speed rigid bike and
shut-up.
I better go to bed , sorry I am tired.
----- Original Message -----
From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
To: Jay Rideout ; obra
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider


Why would you expect the number on the form to be
accurate in such a case?

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jay Rideout

It seems we can't go very long with hearing or

reading about somebody's bike

getting stolen. With the setup and preperation

time and money ($1000 to $6000

with a few higher or lower) we each it is a

devestating loss.

I would like to propose that we include a

make/model/serial number on our event

registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA,

WSBA, Cascade, and some of the

other organizations it might create a deterent. If

stolen numbers are listed

with the various organizations and somebody

registers with matching number it

would help lead to property recovery.

Just a thought,

Jay

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The following riders rode in the wrong category at the Banana Belt race on March

4. The penalty for this is 30 days suspension.

I never handed out any suspensions. All I did was mention what the penalty

would be.

Geesh, give a old women a break.

;-)

Candi

-----Original Message-----

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On

Behalf Of Greg Crane

Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:10 PM

To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Dick Pound is leaving WADA later this year, maybe OBRA

could hire him.  Then Candi won't have to be the bad

ass handing out 30 day suspensions.  I further purpose

that from now on Candi be refereed to as "The Candi

Hammer".

Greg

--- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:

  

Where does DNA testing fall in this?  I feel as if

you are leaving out an important item.  Perhaps it

is not even me who is registering for the race.

--

George Schreck 

gschreckchat@comcast.net 

(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: "david baker" <dirtsurf@clearwire.net> 

very good point George, and same goes for recording

numbers on ebay.

not goona happen, false numbers will be given all of

the time.

of course they could have you got to a documented

ebay listing store to verify correct numbers,and

list the item in the prescense of an officially

notorized witness, and provide document verification

upon shipment thru officially registered government

certified shipment centers.etc...

Race promoters would get to check that your numbers

on the frame of the bike match the numbers that you

put on the entry form, at the same time they are

verifying your health insurance documentation.

I am goona buy a single speed rigid bike and

shut-up.

I better go to bed , sorry I am tired.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: gschreckchat@comcast.net 

To: Jay Rideout ; obra 

Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Why would you expect the number on the form to be

accurate in such a case?  

--

George Schreck 

gschreckchat@comcast.net 

(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Jay Rideout <jbrideout@yahoo.com> 

    

It seems we can't go very long with hearing or

      

reading about somebody's bike 

    

getting stolen. With the setup and preperation

      

time and money ($1000 to $6000 

    

with a few higher or lower) we each it is a

      

devestating loss. 

    

I would like to propose that we include a

      

make/model/serial number on our event 

    

registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA,

      

WSBA, Cascade, and some of the 

    

other organizations it might create a deterent. If

      

stolen numbers are listed 

    

with the various organizations and somebody

      

registers with matching number it 

    

would help lead to property recovery. 

Just a thought, 

Jay 

      

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Geesh, give a old women a break.
;-)
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-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Crane
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:10 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Dick Pound is leaving WADA later this year, maybe OBRA
could hire him. Then Candi won't have to be the bad
ass handing out 30 day suspensions. I further purpose
that from now on Candi be refereed to as "The Candi
Hammer".

Greg
--- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:

> Where does DNA testing fall in this? I feel as if
> you are leaving out an important item. Perhaps it
> is not even me who is registering for the race.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "david baker"
>
> very good point George, and same goes for recording
> numbers on ebay.
> not goona happen, false numbers will be given all of
> the time.
> of course they could have you got to a documented
> ebay listing store to verify correct numbers,and
> list the item in the prescense of an officially
> notorized witness, and provide document verification
> upon shipment thru officially registered government
> certified shipment centers.etc...
> Race promoters would get to check that your numbers
> on the frame of the bike match the numbers that you
> put on the entry form, at the same time they are
> verifying your health insurance documentation.
> I am goona buy a single speed rigid bike and
> shut-up.
> I better go to bed , sorry I am tired.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> To: Jay Rideout ; obra
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
>
>
> Why would you expect the number on the form to be
> accurate in such a case?
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Jay Rideout
>
> > It seems we can't go very long with hearing or
> reading about somebody's bike
> > getting stolen. With the setup and preperation
> time and money ($1000 to $6000
> > with a few higher or lower) we each it is a
> devestating loss.
> >
> > I would like to propose that we include a
> make/model/serial number on our event
> > registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA,
> WSBA, Cascade, and some of the
> > other organizations it might create a deterent. If
> stolen numbers are listed
> > with the various organizations and somebody
> registers with matching number it
> > would help lead to property recovery.
> >
> > Just a thought,
> >
> > Jay
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> >
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Dick Pound is leaving WADA later this year, maybe OBRA
could hire him. Then Candi won't have to be the bad
ass handing out 30 day suspensions. I further purpose
that from now on Candi be refereed to as "The Candi
Hammer".

Greg
--- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:

> Where does DNA testing fall in this? I feel as if
> you are leaving out an important item. Perhaps it
> is not even me who is registering for the race.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "david baker"
>
> very good point George, and same goes for recording
> numbers on ebay.
> not goona happen, false numbers will be given all of
> the time.
> of course they could have you got to a documented
> ebay listing store to verify correct numbers,and
> list the item in the prescense of an officially
> notorized witness, and provide document verification
> upon shipment thru officially registered government
> certified shipment centers.etc...
> Race promoters would get to check that your numbers
> on the frame of the bike match the numbers that you
> put on the entry form, at the same time they are
> verifying your health insurance documentation.
> I am goona buy a single speed rigid bike and
> shut-up.
> I better go to bed , sorry I am tired.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> To: Jay Rideout ; obra
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
>
>
> Why would you expect the number on the form to be
> accurate in such a case?
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Jay Rideout
>
> > It seems we can't go very long with hearing or
> reading about somebody's bike
> > getting stolen. With the setup and preperation
> time and money ($1000 to $6000
> > with a few higher or lower) we each it is a
> devestating loss.
> >
> > I would like to propose that we include a
> make/model/serial number on our event
> > registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA,
> WSBA, Cascade, and some of the
> > other organizations it might create a deterent. If
> stolen numbers are listed
> > with the various organizations and somebody
> registers with matching number it
> > would help lead to property recovery.
> >
> > Just a thought,
> >
> > Jay
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Where does DNA testing fall in this?  I feel as if you are
leaving out an important item.  Perhaps it is not even me who is
registering for the race.

 

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--------------
Original message --------------

From: "david baker" <dirtsurf@clearwire.net>

very good point George, and same
goes for recording numbers on ebay.

not goona happen, false numbers
will be given all of the time.

of course they could have you got
to a documented ebay listing store to verify correct numbers,and list
the item in the prescense of an officially notorized witness, and
provide document verification upon shipment thru officially registered
government certified shipment centers.etc...

Race promoters would get to check
that your numbers on the frame of the bike match the numbers that you
put on the entry form, at the same time they are verifying your health
insurance documentation.

I am goona buy a single speed
rigid bike and shut-up.

I better go to bed , sorry I am
tired.

-----
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Rideout ; obra

Sent:
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Subject:
Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Why would you expect the number on the form to be accurate
in such a case? 

 

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--------------
Original message --------------

From: Jay Rideout <jbrideout@yahoo.com>




> It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about
somebody's bike

> getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time and money
($1000 to $6000

> with a few higher or lower) we each it is a devestating loss.

>

> I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number
on our event

> registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA, Cascade, and
some of the

> other organizations it might create a deterent. If stolen numbers
are listed

> with the various organizations and somebody registers with
matching number it

> would help lead to property recovery.

>

> Just a thought,

>

> Jay

>

>

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Where does DNA testing fall in this? I feel as if you are leaving out an important item. Perhaps it is not even me who is registering for the race.

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "david baker"

very good point George, and same goes for recording numbers on ebay.
not goona happen, false numbers will be given all of the time.
of course they could have you got to a documented ebay listing store to verify correct numbers,and list the item in the prescense of an officially notorized witness, and provide document verification upon shipment thru officially registered government certified shipment centers.etc...
Race promoters would get to check that your numbers on the frame of the bike match the numbers that you put on the entry form, at the same time they are verifying your health insurance documentation.
I am goona buy a single speed rigid bike and shut-up.
I better go to bed , sorry I am tired.
----- Original Message -----
From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
To: Jay Rideout ; obra
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Why would you expect the number on the form to be accurate in such a case?

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jay Rideout

> It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about somebody's bike
> getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time and money ($1000 to $6000
> with a few higher or lower) we each it is a devestating loss.
>
> I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number on our event
> registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA, Cascade, and some of the
> other organizations it might create a deterent. If stolen numbers are listed
> with the various organizations and somebody registers with matching number it
> would help lead to property recovery.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Jay
>
>
>
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david baker

very good point George, and same goes for recording numbers on ebay.
not goona happen, false numbers will be given all of the time.
of course they could have you got to a documented ebay listing store to verify correct numbers,and list the item in the prescense of an officially notorized witness, and provide document verification upon shipment thru officially registered government certified shipment centers.etc...
Race promoters would get to check that your numbers on the frame of the bike match the numbers that you put on the entry form, at the same time they are verifying your health insurance documentation.
I am goona buy a single speed rigid bike and shut-up.
I better go to bed , sorry I am tired.
----- Original Message -----
From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
To: Jay Rideout ; obra
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Why would you expect the number on the form to be accurate in such a case?

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jay Rideout

> It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about somebody's bike
> getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time and money ($1000 to $6000
> with a few higher or lower) we each it is a devestating loss.
>
> I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number on our event
> registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA, Cascade, and some of the
> other organizations it might create a deterent. If stolen numbers are listed
> with the various organizations and somebody registers with matching number it
> would help lead to property recovery.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Jay
>
>
>
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Tom Perilloux

Be careful as our homeowners insurance dropped us after we made a stolen
property claim (our first claim EVER) and we paid elevated insurance rates
for a few years... there were very few who would cover us and it was a pain,
a very big pain. This may be worse after the hurricanes of recent years.
There is a CLUE database which insurers share so anyone can see your claim
history.

It may not be worth making a small dollar claim.

On 3/7/07, Heather VanValkenburg wrote:
>
> I just called my home owner's insurance about this today. First, I found
> out that my home owner's policy covered up to $1000, which to many bike
> owners is good enough to re-coop most of the replacement cost. What I
> decided to do instead was to schedule my bike into my policy, separately,
> like you would with valuable jewelry, boats, trailers, and other stuff that
> would cost much more to replace if stolen than a regular policy would cover.
>
> My insurance company (PEMCO), charges $3.95 per $100 of value per year on
> an item. So, for $79 a year (which is a drop in the bucket when it's just
> added to my mortgage), I know that I can get $2000 replacement for my bike,
> with no deductable. The nice this is, this covers my bike, wherever I am- at
> a race... at a friends house... in Australia. If it's stolen, I can replace
> it.
>
> I think in terms of karma anyway, so I figure just having the insurance on
> it, will assure me that my bike won't disappear- sort of like wearing your
> rain poncho on a ride, just so it WON'T rain :)
>
>
>
> -Heather VanValkenburg
>
> ------------------------------
> From: *"Joe Cipale" *
> Reply-To: *joec@aracnet.com*
> To: *RCJohnson1@attglobal.net*
> CC: *obra *
> Subject: *Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider*
> Date: *Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:53:52 -0800*
> The best way to handle this is to carry some form of homeonwers/renters
> insurance and catalog your bike(s) Serial #. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT store
> this info on a PC. Place it in a doc file and include it in a
> JumpDrive/RAM-stick that you store in a safety deposit box along with other
> pieces of 'your life' (i.e. Insurance policies, mortgage papers, etc...).
> This way your data is safe in the event you home is broken into or destroyed
> and your PCs are lost.
>
> Just my $.0.5...
>
> Joe
>
> Rick C Johnson wrote:
>
> > Nice idea in theory but severely burdensome for a volunteer organization
> > to undertake.
> > People generally don't help out at the races to play cop...
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > Jay Rideout wrote:
> >
> > >It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about somebody's
> bike getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time and money ($1000
> to $6000 with a few higher or lower) we each it is a devestating loss.
> > >
> > >I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number on
> our event registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA, Cascade, and
> some of the other organizations it might create a deterent. If stolen
> numbers are listed with the various organizations and somebody registers
> with matching number it would help lead to property recovery.
> > >
> > >Just a thought,
> > >
> > >Jay
> > >
> > >
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Jay Rideout

Hey George,
I think represents strike two on the idea... hmmmm, have to pull these thoughts together though because there has been some good ideas on protection and property loss compensation that I hadn't considered.
Jay

----- Original Message ----
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Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 10:28:39 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jay Rideout

> It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about somebody's bike
> getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time and money ($1000 to $6000
> with a few higher or lower) we each it is a devestating loss.
>
> I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number on our event
> registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA, Cascade, and some of the
> other organizations it might create a deterent. If stolen numbers are listed
> with the various organizations and somebody registers with matching number it
> would help lead to property recovery.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Jay
>
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jay Rideout

> It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about somebody's bike
> getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time and money ($1000 to $6000
> with a few higher or lower) we each it is a devestating loss.
>
> I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number on our event
> registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA, Cascade, and some of the
> other organizations it might create a deterent. If stolen numbers are listed
> with the various organizations and somebody registers with matching number it
> would help lead to property recovery.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Jay
>
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Rick C Johnson

eBay listings for "Bicycle frame": 125
eBay listings for "Bicycle": 9231
eBay listings all: 14,625,671
That works out to be that bicycle frames are 1.35% of bicycle listings
and 0.0000085% of all eBay listings. I would expect it's not going to be
much of a concern to them...

You might also consider the chop shop business model. When your product
is free (because you stole it) you can still turn a profit selling the
non-serialized parts and throwing away the frame. This is done with cars
to the tune of billions of dollars a year. Vehicle registration and VIN
checks haven't made much difference.

Rick

Jay Rideout wrote:

>Suz,
>I agree, it is the weak part of this proposal, and, unfortunately the person that is racing the stolen property is probably a third party.
>
>The value of this type of property should make this a reasonable request to eBay. I'll pursue this... is there anybody out there that has some inside contacts with eBay?
>thanx,
>Jay
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Suz Weldon
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 9:11:04 AM
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider
>
>
>Do you really think any sort of significant number of people stealing
>the bikes are actually participating in ANY events? More likely the
>bikes are going to meth addicts who turn around and sell them for a
>few hundred bucks. Or going on eBay. Here's a better idea: propose
>to eBay that they require bike sellers to list the serial number.
>
>suz
>
>Quoting Jay Rideout :
>
>
>
>>It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about
>>somebody's bike getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time
>> and money ($1000 to $6000 with a few higher or lower) we each it
>>is a devestating loss.
>>
>>I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number
>>on our event registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA,
>>Cascade, and some of the other organizations it might create a
>>deterent. If stolen numbers are listed with the various
>>organizations and somebody registers with matching number it would
>>help lead to property recovery.
>>
>>Just a thought,
>>
>>Jay
>>
>>
>>
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Jay Rideout

Suz,
I agree, it is the weak part of this proposal, and, unfortunately the person that is racing the stolen property is probably a third party.

The value of this type of property should make this a reasonable request to eBay. I'll pursue this... is there anybody out there that has some inside contacts with eBay?
thanx,
Jay

----- Original Message ----
From: Suz Weldon
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 9:11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Something to consider

Do you really think any sort of significant number of people stealing
the bikes are actually participating in ANY events? More likely the
bikes are going to meth addicts who turn around and sell them for a
few hundred bucks. Or going on eBay. Here's a better idea: propose
to eBay that they require bike sellers to list the serial number.

suz

Quoting Jay Rideout :

> It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about
> somebody's bike getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time
> and money ($1000 to $6000 with a few higher or lower) we each it
> is a devestating loss.
>
> I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number
> on our event registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA,
> Cascade, and some of the other organizations it might create a
> deterent. If stolen numbers are listed with the various
> organizations and somebody registers with matching number it would
> help lead to property recovery.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Jay
>
>
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Do you really think any sort of significant number of people stealing
the bikes are actually participating in ANY events? More likely the
bikes are going to meth addicts who turn around and sell them for a
few hundred bucks. Or going on eBay. Here's a better idea: propose
to eBay that they require bike sellers to list the serial number.

suz

Quoting Jay Rideout :

> It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about
> somebody's bike getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time
> and money ($1000 to $6000 with a few higher or lower) we each it
> is a devestating loss.
>
> I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number
> on our event registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA,
> Cascade, and some of the other organizations it might create a
> deterent. If stolen numbers are listed with the various
> organizations and somebody registers with matching number it would
> help lead to property recovery.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Jay
>
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The best way to handle this is to carry some form of homeonwers/renters insurance and catalog your bike(s) Serial #. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT store this info on a PC. Place it in a doc file and include it in a JumpDrive/RAM-stick that you store in a safety deposit box along with other pieces of 'your life' (i.e. Insurance policies, mortgage papers, etc...). This way your data is safe in the event you home is broken into or destroyed and your PCs are lost.

Just my $.0.5...

Joe

Rick C Johnson wrote:

> Nice idea in theory but severely burdensome for a volunteer organization
> to undertake.
> People generally don't help out at the races to play cop...
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> Rick
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> Jay Rideout wrote:
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> >It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about somebody's bike getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time and money ($1000 to $6000 with a few higher or lower) we each it is a devestating loss.
> >
> >I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number on our event registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA, Cascade, and some of the other organizations it might create a deterent. If stolen numbers are listed with the various organizations and somebody registers with matching number it would help lead to property recovery.
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Nice idea in theory but severely burdensome for a volunteer organization
to undertake.
People generally don't help out at the races to play cop...

Rick

Jay Rideout wrote:

>It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about somebody's bike getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time and money ($1000 to $6000 with a few higher or lower) we each it is a devestating loss.
>
>I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number on our event registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA, Cascade, and some of the other organizations it might create a deterent. If stolen numbers are listed with the various organizations and somebody registers with matching number it would help lead to property recovery.
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>Just a thought,
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>Jay
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It seems we can't go very long with hearing or reading about somebody's bike getting stolen. With the setup and preperation time and money ($1000 to $6000 with a few higher or lower) we each it is a devestating loss.

I would like to propose that we include a make/model/serial number on our event registration. I'm thinking that between OBRA, WSBA, Cascade, and some of the other organizations it might create a deterent. If stolen numbers are listed with the various organizations and somebody registers with matching number it would help lead to property recovery.

Just a thought,

Jay

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